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Jessica Pixel Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.09.07 18:27:37 - [1] - Quote I just found out that I have to pay 30 bucks to train an alt character per month? I pay 20 bucks a month just to play this game and now i have to pay 20 more to play a second and 3 slot. I have never in all my time of paying MMOs seen such greed by the developers. When I purchased an account i saw three slot with four fractions and I figure great i can try out the different factions but with out being able to train skill on alts it kills the game for me. I see charging people to pay more to play an alt as a scam. I would like to hear reason in this. The only solution i have for you is remove the charge, reduce it to a few bucks, or make it a permanent feature once paid for. I will not continue to pay 50 a month for the game.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8459	Posted - 2015.09.07 18:39:07 - [2] - Quote Jessica Pixel wrote: I i saw three slot with four fractions fraction lazor rouge drones! CCP deliberately overcharges people who saying any and/or all of these words. Seriously though, there already is a solution - pay for the alt training privilege by earning ISK in-game and pay with PLEX. If you can accept either this or coughing up and paying RL money, great. If not, I would suggest that this maybe isn't the game for you - instant gratification isn't always available. [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11638	Posted - 2015.09.07 18:43:11 - [3] - Quote Name me another game that gives you passive(<-----key word there ) sp accumulation on multiple characters Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Jessica Pixel Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.09.07 18:49:41 - [4] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Jessica Pixel wrote: I i saw three slot with four fractions fraction lazor rouge drones! CCP deliberately overcharges people who saying any and/or all of these words. Seriously though, there already is a solution - pay for the alt training privilege by earning ISK in-game and pay with PLEX. If you can accept either this or coughing up and paying RL money, great. If not, I would suggest that this maybe isn't the game for you - instant gratification isn't always available. Plex is what, the instruction manual for this game is bigger than a university library. My guess is Plex is a time consumption method that once paid for you have to start earning it again to payf or it again and no real game time comes in right? if so your right this game is not for me.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11640	Posted - 2015.09.07 19:18:04 - [5] - Quote Jessica Pixel wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Jessica Pixel wrote: I i saw three slot with four fractions fraction lazor rouge drones! CCP deliberately overcharges people who saying any and/or all of these words. Seriously though, there already is a solution - pay for the alt training privilege by earning ISK in-game and pay with PLEX. If you can accept either this or coughing up and paying RL money, great. If not, I would suggest that this maybe isn't the game for you - instant gratification isn't always available. Plex is what, the instruction manual for this game is bigger than a university library. My guess is Plex is a time consumption method that once paid for you have to start earning it again to payf or it again and no real game time comes in right? if so your right this game is not for me. Two characters on seperate a accounts runs Gé¼30 ish per month, thats the equivalent of dinner and a nice bottle of wine or about two hours in the pub with my mates. Also passive sp(can't stress this enough,pay sub, set skills, get 30 days worth of sp regardless of activity. That's pretty ****ing generous imo). The sub and sp model here is the most generous in the industry, where do you get greedy from? Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8598	Posted - 2015.09.07 19:20:34 - [6] - Quote Jessica Pixel wrote: I just found out that I have to pay 30 bucks to train an alt character per month? I pay 20 bucks a month just to play this game and now i have to pay 20 more to play a second and 3 slot. I have never in all my time of paying MMOs seen such greed by the developers. Show me another MMO which... - allows you to train / gain skillpoints when you are not playing with that character. - allows you to train / gain skillpoints on multiple characters at the same time. Jessica Pixel wrote: When I purchased an account i saw three slot with four fractions and I figure great i can try out the different factions but with out being able to train skill on alts it kills the game for me. I see charging people to pay more to play an alt as a scam. I would like to hear reason in this. 1. Playing as a different faction's character doesn't really affect much beyond... --- the style / appearance of a character --- where you start --- you starting skills Any character can train up any skills, use any ships / weapons (once those skills have been trained), and can fly anywhere in the game (provided your standings are either neutral or "good"... which they start out as for all characters) without suffering any penalty or losing out on "race specific" bonuses. 2. Because only limited number of skills are needed to perform certain activities (e.g. harvesting, building, hauling, "playing" on the market) many people like to briefly train up "alt characters" for mundane activities that require them to do or go places they don't want their "main character" to do or go. For example: I have three characters on this account. - Fluffers here is my main and is more or less constantly training. - Then I have another character whose "job" is to sit in a station and manipulate market orders (took only 1 month to train up). - And then I have another character who job is to build stuff and haul (took 3 months to train up). - I keep all of them separate from each other because Fluffers here is a DIRTY DIRTY pirate and is not welcome in high-sec space anymore... and I don't want my other characters to be "tainted" in their dealings with others by being associated with a character is a self-styled mass murderer. Jessica Pixel wrote: Plex is what, the instruction manual for this game is bigger than a university library. My guess is Plex is a time consumption method that once paid for you have to start earning it again to payf or it again and no real game time comes in right? if so your right this game is not for me. History lesson: Once upon a time, Real Money Training used to be a problem here in EVE. Inflation was a problem (bigger than it is today) and prices for items fluctuated and often cratered due to the massive amount of harvesting and "firesales" that were happening to facilitate RMT. Then the DEVs got an idea. Why not offer up an 30-day gametime token in-game that could be bought with real money? It could be sold like any other item on the in-game market and players would decide how much 30 days of gametime was worth to them using in-game currency. This token (henceforth known as PLEX) had extremely positive results. - it offered players who earned stupid amounts of in-game currency a way to essentially play for "free" - it offered a way for players who wanted quick cash a legitimate way to get fast in-game currency without the risk of being banned - it did not add any additional in-game currency to the game (see: a player pays for the [potential] subscription of another in exchange for in-game currency) - it actually removed some in-game currency from the game through in-game market fees and taxes (cutting inflation down a bit) - it kept money in the company's pockets New services have been added to PLEX as the years have gone on. Before, you could only train up one character at a time (see: you had to pause one character's training to start training on another). How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8459	Posted - 2015.09.07 19:32:30 - [7] - Quote Jessica Pixel wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Jessica Pixel wrote: I i saw three slot with four fractions fraction lazor rouge drones! CCP deliberately overcharges people who saying any and/or all of these words. Seriously though, there already is a solution - pay for the alt training privilege by earning ISK in-game and pay with PLEX. If you can accept either this or coughing up and paying RL money, great. If not, I would suggest that this maybe isn't the game for you - instant gratification isn't always available. Plex is what, the instruction manual for this game is bigger than a university library. My guess is Plex is a time consumption method that once paid for you have to start earning it again to payf or it again and no real game time comes in right? if so your right this game is not for me. If you do decide to leave...contracting what belongings you might have accumulated to me in exchange for the help that has been provided would be most appreciated. PLEX is what you can buy, in game, and effectively avoid paying RL money for. Yes, it's used to extend your game time, but it can also be used to activate a training queue on another character on your account. These are the facts. EVE is a pretty generous game, in terms of what you get for your money, and the ability to buy game time with in-game currency is pretty unprecedented. For that alone it gets my vote, but you also have the handy side benefit of it being a really deep, interesting experience populated with - for the most part - interesting individuals who I'm pretty sure that you won't find in other games. I'm sorry that you're not happy with the game, but if these are your feelings, it's good you've caught them earlier and so you bow out before you invest any more time in a game that you're not comfortable sticking with. [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Zihao Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 50	Posted - 2015.09.07 19:48:11 - [8] - Quote There's really no excuse for not locking this thread.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11642	Posted - 2015.09.07 21:01:08 - [9] - Quote Zihao wrote: I also buy things without reading what they are or how they work. I actually do do that all the time. I have an engraving tool,dremil,4 neon halogen lights and two airsoft rifles and a set of ceramic knives to my name for no appreciable reason, all of which have done nothing more than give me increasingly creative and stupid ways in which to injure myself. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8599	Posted - 2015.09.07 22:22:20 - [10] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Zihao wrote: I also buy things without reading what they are or how they work. I actually do do that all the time. I have an engraving tool,dremil,4 neon halogen lights and two airsoft rifles and a set of ceramic knives to my name for no appreciable reason, all of which have done nothing more than give me increasingly creative and stupid ways in which to injure myself. .... I have a $200 tablet that I bought a few years ago and never used. I ~~can't be bothered to learn~~ never figured out how use Microsoft's mobile UI. It now serves as a rather decent paperweight for my many important papers and documents (wasn't "paper" supposed to be phased out by today's digital age? What happened???). How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1612	Posted - 2015.09.07 22:48:36 - [11] - Quote eve is a rather nice one character game, given in time your character can do everything, and isn't faction locked. in other games your characters are rather limited to whatever roles they were granted by the devs, and whatever faction you pick. There usually aren't even mechanics available to branch out. Rift was at least nice as most characters could do at least two roles. also imo if I want an alt I want it on a separate account so I can have both logged in at the same time. that said I barely ever have all my alts logged in. and the ones that are on account low sp alts... well I haven't touched them since June. I can tell because they are all in a corp and that was the last time they installed industry jobs. @ChainsawPlankto
Lulu Lunette Blue Aurochs United Systems of Aridia 72	Posted - 2015.09.07 23:10:56 - [12] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: eve is a rather nice one character game, given in time your character can do everything, and isn't faction locked. in other games your characters are rather limited to whatever roles they were granted by the devs, and whatever faction you pick. There usually aren't even mechanics available to branch out. Rift was at least nice as most characters could do at least two roles. also imo if I want an alt I want it on a separate account so I can have both logged in at the same time. that said I barely ever have all my alts logged in. and the ones that are on account low sp alts... well I haven't touched them since June. I can tell because they are all in a corp and that was the last time they installed industry jobs. I didn't expect the immersion in this game to be as good as it is. Agreed so much with what you're saying about Eve being a nice one character game. I love being able to get in lots of different ships for different jobs, having just enough manufacturing to make the BPC's I find in exploration and after a bit of doing everything I've finally plugged in Caldari Frigate V because I hear the Kestrel is good for beginning lowsec PVP. Just did the math real quick and assuming plex is still at or around 1 billion, you'd have to make 33 million a day to be able to play 'for free'. I still love life in Eve without an alt but maybe that would be better for you if you have figured out a nice income in game. @lunettelulu7
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11649	Posted - 2015.09.07 23:16:40 - [13] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Zihao wrote: I also buy things without reading what they are or how they work. I actually do do that all the time. I have an engraving tool,dremil,4 neon halogen lights and two airsoft rifles and a set of ceramic knives to my name for no appreciable reason, all of which have done nothing more than give me increasingly creative and stupid ways in which to injure myself. .... I have a $200 tablet that I bought a few years ago and never used. I ~~can't be bothered to learn~~ never figured out how use Microsoft's mobile UI. It now serves as a rather decent paperweight for my many important papers and documents (wasn't "paper" supposed to be phased out by today's digital age? What happened???). Dispite what the digital age has brought us, sometimes you just need the satisfaction of doing it by hand.<----wip Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2015.09.07 23:44:53 - [14] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Zihao wrote: I also buy things without reading what they are or how they work. I actually do do that all the time. I have an engraving tool,dremil,4 neon halogen lights and two airsoft rifles and a set of ceramic knives to my name for no appreciable reason, all of which have done nothing more than give me increasingly creative and stupid ways in which to injure myself. You don't know true pain until you've applied a Dremel to the soft fleshy bit between thumb and forefinger..... Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1613	Posted - 2015.09.07 23:53:39 - [15] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Zihao wrote: I also buy things without reading what they are or how they work. I actually do do that all the time. I have an engraving tool,dremil,4 neon halogen lights and two airsoft rifles and a set of ceramic knives to my name for no appreciable reason, all of which have done nothing more than give me increasingly creative and stupid ways in which to injure myself. You don't know true pain until you've applied a Dremel to the soft fleshy bit between thumb and forefinger..... why would you say that, I think I need a drink after reading that. I've never done it but just the thought of doing it... NOPE!!! @ChainsawPlankto
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5345	Posted - 2015.09.08 00:32:30 - [16] - Quote I just closed my alt training account. It was an account dedicated to training alts that needed longer period of training. Example: last alt trained had 88.9 millions skill points. Of course, I have to pay $20 (or two PLEX) to transfer the alts off the account. [I used the cash option.] I've used PLEX to train other alts with dual training. Longest was 6 months. Of course there are deals that can be used to create alts, like Buddy Invites to yourself, and Power of Two, etc.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 471	Posted - 2015.09.08 00:39:02 - [17] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Zihao wrote: I also buy things without reading what they are or how they work. I actually do do that all the time. I have an engraving tool,dremil,4 neon halogen lights and two airsoft rifles and a set of ceramic knives to my name for no appreciable reason, all of which have done nothing more than give me increasingly creative and stupid ways in which to injure myself. .... I have a $200 tablet that I bought a few years ago and never used. I ~~can't be bothered to learn~~ never figured out how use Microsoft's mobile UI. It now serves as a rather decent paperweight for my many important papers and documents (wasn't "paper" supposed to be phased out by today's digital age? What happened???). Shah you have a chance to get in touch with devs of that tablet and provide your feedback of positive experience where tablet could be used aside from it's main purpose. They should add that into manual for sure. At least we could say that tablets run on MS are usefull.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 471	Posted - 2015.09.08 00:45:52 - [18] - Quote Meanwhile back to the topic. OP can you imagine for a second that a few years back there was no such feature as simoltaneous training on the same account. The we been given with that option. So CCP is doing slight progress, lets wait few more years and we could have what you are asking for
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1485	Posted - 2015.09.08 00:55:32 - [19] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: Just did the math real quick and assuming plex is still at or around 1 billion, you'd have to make 33 million a day to be able to play 'for free'. Yeah there is this odd assumption many new people have that by your second month in the game you should be able to PLEX your account for free. I am sure that is possible if you excel at scamming or station trading but as a new character trying to PLEX your subs will just mean you never have any ISK. Assuming you are NOT station trading, longterm single account plexing options usually involve: - some lowsec PI which using all three characters, each with 6 planets, shipping P2s gives a passive income between 10 and 25 mill per day. - level IV mission running which can reliably return 30 mill to 80 mill an hour depending on skills so an hour a day - incursions which are more like 100 mill plus an hour though you lose a bit getting there and waiting for a fleet I suspect PLEX costs are getting to a point that mining and exploration are going to be stretching it for plex. Though hisec mining in highsec in a procurer in a quiet system while afk doing something else is in a sense "free" money and a procurer can pay for itself in a few hours mining, so you can afford to lose the odd one to gankers and still be ahead. Still you would need to mine for several hours every night to PLEX with a single character even in a fleet with boosts.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1616	Posted - 2015.09.08 01:09:20 - [20] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Zihao wrote: I also buy things without reading what they are or how they work. I actually do do that all the time. I have an engraving tool,dremil,4 neon halogen lights and two airsoft rifles and a set of ceramic knives to my name for no appreciable reason, all of which have done nothing more than give me increasingly creative and stupid ways in which to injure myself. .... I have a $200 tablet that I bought a few years ago and never used. I ~~can't be bothered to learn~~ never figured out how use Microsoft's mobile UI. It now serves as a rather decent paperweight for my many important papers and documents (wasn't "paper" supposed to be phased out by today's digital age? What happened???). Shah you have a chance to get in touch with devs of that tablet and provide your feedback of positive experience where tablet could be used aside from it's main purpose. They should add that into manual for sure. At least we could say that tablets run on MS are usefull. I think they x86'd the windows RT experiment. The latest surface tablets are running normal windows on I think intel atom processors. that said I like windows 8.1 on the surface pro, should be interesting to see what win10 is like, but w/e I got time. @ChainsawPlankto
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1616	Posted - 2015.09.08 01:42:59 - [21] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Yeah there is this odd assumption many new people have that by your second month in the game you should be able to PLEX your account for free. I am sure that is possible if you excel at scamming or station trading but as a new character trying to PLEX your subs will just mean you never have any ISK. Assuming you are NOT station trading, longterm single account plexing options usually involve: - some lowsec PI which using all three characters, each with 6 planets, shipping P2s gives a passive income between 10 and 25 mill per day. - level IV mission running which can reliably return 30 mill to 80 mill an hour depending on skills so an hour a day - incursions which are more like 100 mill plus an hour though you lose a bit getting there and waiting for a fleet I suspect PLEX costs are getting to a point that mining and exploration are going to be stretching it for plex. Though hisec mining in highsec in a procurer in a quiet system while afk doing something else is in a sense "free" money and a procurer can pay for itself in a few hours mining, so you can afford to lose the odd one to gankers and still be ahead. Still you would need to mine for several hours every night to PLEX with a single character even in a fleet with boosts. it's a strange way to play imo... I can grind a plex in a day if I want, but I hate playing that way. first or second month it seems like a challenge to make the isk for a plex, but a few months later yea it should be possible. but at 1.1bil each just seems nuts. @ChainsawPlankto
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1383	Posted - 2015.09.08 06:20:56 - [22] - Quote OP, there are two misunderstandings here, what is true ... 1) the character choices in the beginning are rather cosmetic and don't affect gameplay, and ... 2) one trained char is fully sufficient to play and have fun in this game, everything else is luxury and charged accordingly. I'm my own NPC alt.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1469	Posted - 2015.09.08 08:57:29 - [23] - Quote Jessica Pixel wrote: I just found out that I have to pay 30 bucks to train an alt character per month? I pay 20 bucks a month just to play this game and now i have to pay 20 more to play a second and 3 slot. I have never in all my time of paying MMOs seen such greed by the developers. When I purchased an account i saw three slot with four fractions and I figure great i can try out the different factions but with out being able to train skill on alts it kills the game for me. I see charging people to pay more to play an alt as a scam. I would like to hear reason in this. The only solution i have for you is remove the charge, reduce it to a few bucks, or make it a permanent feature once paid for. I will not continue to pay 50 a month for the game. i dont think anyone cares if you dont do it, i mean its completely optional so if you dont like it then dont do it, yes lets make it 1 off cost that sounds great so i can just train like 5 characters at once then sell them all and get rich \o/ EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13825	Posted - 2015.09.08 10:53:50 - [24] - Quote The hardest part about starting in EVE, is leaving all your preconceptions of what an MMO is by your past experiences. EVE is no clone and is very unique. What you see on the surface through your preconceptions is not necessarily the undercurrents that travel thru this games deeper universe. Do not try to bend the spoon GÇö that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no spoon. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Velarra 440	Posted - 2015.09.08 14:12:45 - [25] - Quote Webvan wrote: The hardest part about starting in EVE, is leaving all your preconceptions of what an MMO is by your past experiences. EVE is no clone and is very unique. What you see on the surface through your preconceptions is not necessarily the undercurrents that travel thru this games deeper universe. Do not try to bend the spoon GÇö that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no spoon. Confirming there is no spoon!

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