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Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.09.07 20:13:40 -
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Why have CCP Devs taken to using Reddit more than the official Eve-O forums?
Compared to 2-3 years ago, these forums are dead, yet when I read articles on 3rd party websites or listen to podcasts, I'm inundated with "CCP [insert name] said on Reddit" or "blah blah was confirmed by CCP [insert name] on a Reddit post".
Have CCP abandoned their own forums in favour of Reddit?
BTW, serious question, not a rant.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6833
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Posted - 2015.09.07 20:16:49 -
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Perhaps, it would make sense to ask this question... on Reddit
Feed the trend
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
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Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc
Fidelas Constans
204
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Posted - 2015.09.07 20:20:55 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Perhaps, it would make sense to ask this question... on Reddit
Feed the trend
I've actually just signed up for an account.
If you can't beat them, join them.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2719
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Posted - 2015.09.07 21:03:01 -
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ive seen them more on twitter than reddit tbh |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11642
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Posted - 2015.09.07 21:08:05 -
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To be fair, it's entirely up to then where they socialize.
I only take issue when they announce something elsewhere before they do so on their own damn forum or one of their dev blogs.
That I take issue with.
Better the Devil you know.
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Kanzero
Virtus Crusade
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
35
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Posted - 2015.09.07 22:20:13 -
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I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually. The same minority that convinced CCP Walking in Stations was somehow not wanted by the community and yet there are threads with thousands of supporters for it. Just a single example.
IMO devs should be free to post wherever they choose, but respond to players and/or take player feedback only on the official forums. |
Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc
Fidelas Constans
207
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Posted - 2015.09.07 22:36:39 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:To be fair, it's entirely up to then where they socialize.
As a counter to your statement, I would argue that using the long established "CCP [insert name]" as their username or actively identifying themselves as a CCP employee whilst taking part in a discussion about a CCP game means that they're never truly "off the clock".
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:06:33 -
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Ultim8Evil wrote:Why have CCP Devs taken to using Reddit more than the official Eve-O forums?
Compared to 2-3 years ago, these forums are dead, yet when I read articles on 3rd party websites or listen to podcasts, I'm inundated with "CCP [insert name] said on Reddit" or "blah blah was confirmed by CCP [insert name] on a Reddit post".
Have CCP abandoned their own forums in favour of Reddit?
BTW, serious question, not a rant.
When you read how the forums are, you understand completely.
LOL
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11649
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:22:23 -
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Ultim8Evil wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:To be fair, it's entirely up to then where they socialize. As a counter to your statement, I would argue that using the long established "CCP [insert name]" as their username or actively identifying themselves as a CCP employee whilst taking part in a discussion about a CCP game means that they're never truly "off the clock".
meh, the entire industry does that though, as i said, its only a problem for me when they say something pertinent to an ongoing issue and or release "over there" before making a blog post or thread about it here (in their official channels) first.
if they don't like talking to us that's our fault really but i think anything that directly effect us in a tactile way should be sourced here rather than anywhere els
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25006
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:23:18 -
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Kanzero wrote:I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually. The same minority that convinced CCP Walking in Stations was somehow not wanted by the community and yet there are threads with thousands of supporters for it. Just a single example.
IMO devs should be free to post wherever they choose, but respond to players and/or take player feedback only on the official forums. Most people were fine with what CCP dangled in front of us as walking in stations, what CCP delivered and the manner in which it was done is what put people of it; especially in light of the broken state of the game at the time.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11651
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:29:20 -
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Kanzero wrote:I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually.
i have heard redditors say the same of this forum and to be fair we are a fairly obnoxious vocal minority, same as they are.
Better the Devil you know.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:30:57 -
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I think they do it for promotional reason so to get EVE mentioned by external social media sites. At least they have not been forcing us to link personal facebook pages lately like they did when they had the ship design competition 
I'm in it for the money
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:33:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kanzero wrote:I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually. i have heard redditors say the same of this forum and to be fair we are a fairly obnoxious vocal minority, same as they are.
The vocal minority here is just a different minority from there.
That non vocal majority of EVE players is not in either.
That is like, a no brainer.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11653
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:36:20 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kanzero wrote:I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually. i have heard redditors say the same of this forum and to be fair we are a fairly obnoxious vocal minority, same as they are. The vocal minority here is just a different minority from there. That non vocal majority of EVE players is not in either. That is like, a no brainer.
... what?
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13823
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:38:41 -
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now my brain hurts 
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11653
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:40:12 -
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Webvan wrote:now my brain hurts
yeah i had to read that twice, still none the wiser.
Better the Devil you know.
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:44:00 -
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Really ?
The people in forums, here or there, are just minorities, and vocal.
That NON VOCAL majority of the playerbase just dont voice their ideas, so they are in no forum.
C'mon, that is just logic.
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.09.07 23:53:30 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:The vocal minority here is just a different minority from there.
That non vocal majority of EVE players is not in either.
That is like, a no brainer.
From what I've seen, the vocal minority on reddit and other player sites (kugu/shitheap) who derailed every discussion are 'gamers'. Often very young ones (or just juvenile/immature) gobbing off with memes to show off to their peers. But they're like locusts moving from alliance to alliance (or game to game) and they're not particularly loyal to anyone. They love attacking CCP (for street cred, yo) and they're more or less brainless ninnies nobody should pay any attention to. But they are damn noisy.
The rest of us are EvE players. There is a difference. A lot of us like each other, regardless of affiliation. Tbh I think we're the core playerbase, and the rest are trash. If they can't be converted (and we should try) they should be kicked. To Star Citizen or w/e.
Also, whenever I post I take into account the comments/attitude of people I've spoken to ingame rather than just gobbing off for a few cheap karma points. So that non vocal majority is represented. Not just me doing it either.
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.08 00:18:52 -
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The rest of us are EvE players.
If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, the vocal majority here deffend, then I must say, anyone who plays eve is an EVE Player.
If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, then no matter how or why I play eve, anything here is, just a game, therefore it has no impact on anything else besides the game itself.
So, if I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", it doesnt matter who does, they dont speak for me.
Since I play EVE and I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", and so does other people, their views are also part of the spectrum of views.
When we take a look closely to what is said around, I am pretty sure that the prevailing voice here and there are just focused on one tiny part of the spectrum of views from people who plays EVE.
Since the game priviledges all of them, priviledging one of them automatically turns against the other.
As I said before, I feel that CCP does the right thing when they do the right ammount of things that appeal to all the views, and regardless of that, there still people who thinks EVE should priviledge either minority to "save the game".
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.09.08 00:28:13 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:The rest of us are EvE players.
If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, the vocal majority here deffend, then I must say, anyone who plays eve is an EVE Player.
If I take the approach of THIS IS JUST A GAME, then no matter how or why I play eve, anything here is, just a game, therefore it has no impact on anything else besides the game itself.
So, if I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", it doesnt matter who does, they dont speak for me.
Since I play EVE and I dont take the approach of "THIS IS JUST A GAME", and so does other people, their views are also part of the spectrum of views.
When we take a look closely to what is said around, I am pretty sure that the prevailing voice here and there are just focused on one tiny part of the spectrum of views from people who plays EVE.
Since the game priviledges all of them, priviledging one of them automatically turns against the other.
As I said before, I feel that CCP does the right thing when they do the right ammount of things that appeal to all the views, and regardless of that, there still people who thinks EVE should priviledge either minority to "save the game".
With all due respect, if you're going to screech in caps using that type of bullshit incoherent rheoric, don't expect me to reciprocate with a 40 page back and forth. I'm not a gamer, I'm not 14 and I can't be arsed with you lot, you waste my time. Or the other strange tier of argumentative mushrooms that keep popping up on every forum and want to engage in this **** endlessly. Your opnion is your own, and if you're not prepared to stop and consider mine why the hell should I bother? Thanks for sharing yours, toodles, carry on.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13823
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Posted - 2015.09.08 00:29:53 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:Really ?
In EVE's case, the vocal minority that post in forums are not the majority that just play the game. Same community, just there is a minority of people that actually post.
At Reddit, there is no minority, they all post thus vocal. That is the sole purpose of their site.
Of course both have lurkers, but that is still not considered the majority or minority, and often not even actual members of a community.
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Marech Bhayanaka
The Night Crew
The Night Crew Alliance
51
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Posted - 2015.09.08 02:13:17 -
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Kanzero wrote:I agree with OP. Reddit is a cesspit populated by the obnoxious vocal minority of EVE. Listening to them will kill the game eventually.
I have recently started reading about Eve on Reddit more so than here because of the extraordinary negativity on these forums. In my experience, Reddit is a breath of fresh air in comparison.
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Crimson Nirnroots
Compliant Munitions
38
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Posted - 2015.09.08 02:42:43 -
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Extraordinary? Hyperbole I think.
These forums are fine, Reddit is fine. Posters will be different, they're just people, and it takes all kinds to make a community. Although I don't read Reddit often, I will when things are slower around here.
I am with Mr. King-Griffin, these are the official forums, and source announcements/blogs should be posted here first.
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.08 07:16:08 -
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New concept of gamer: Only the ones who are kids and play a certain kind of games.
New concept of eve player: It is not enough to play EVE, you must also enjoy a specific gameplay and no other.
And with that, I can see all I need to.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13824
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Posted - 2015.09.08 07:23:27 -
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ergh my head is starting to hurt again
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Sporx Utensil
Colossus Enterprises
20
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Posted - 2015.09.08 07:24:32 -
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I would guess these forums are particularly difficult for CCP to deal with. Here, there are about 2% of the posters making 95% of the posts, and most of them play pigeon chess and generally crap all over every thread.
The conversation migrated to reddit because these forums are dominated by the keyboard diarhea of a tiny number of people. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13824
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Posted - 2015.09.08 07:45:32 -
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Sporx Utensil wrote:I would guess these forums are particularly difficult for CCP to deal with. Here, there are about 2% of the posters making 95% of the posts, and most of them play pigeon chess and generally crap all over every thread.
The conversation migrated to reddit because these forums are dominated by the keyboard diarhea of a tiny number of people.
0/10 http://i.imgur.com/97CV7cK.jpg
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
51857
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Posted - 2015.09.08 07:47:07 -
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Crimson Nirnroots wrote:
I am with Mr. King-Griffin, these are the official forums, and source announcements/blogs should be posted here first.
I agree.
Rarely ever see a CCP Dev interacting with the playerbase here in their own 'Official' forums yet we constantly hear about them doing it on Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Blogs, Podcasts, etc.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
341
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Posted - 2015.09.08 08:05:01 -
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Webvan wrote:I think they do it for promotional reason so to get EVE mentioned by external social media sites.
Promotional? How? How do we get new players by "new modules for missiles" thread on reddit? I remember one of my many atempts to start playing EvE. It was during summer of rage. I visited official forum to check something, tons of tears, ragequting etc.
Hardly a promotion to start.
Maybe it's because of quality of feedback at official forums. Many of us (including me) have mostly negative attitude to devs post. Maybe they need second opinion. Hard to work when everybody just criticise most of your ideas without good arguments.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13825
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Posted - 2015.09.08 09:39:45 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Webvan wrote:I think they do it for promotional reason so to get EVE mentioned by external social media sites. Promotional? How? How do we get new players by "new modules for missiles" thread on reddit? I remember one of my many atempts to start playing EvE. It was during summer of rage. I visited official forum to check something, tons of tears, ragequting etc. Hardly a promotion to start. Maybe it's because of quality of feedback at official forums. Many of us (including me) have mostly negative attitude to devs post. Maybe they need second opinion. Hard to work when everybody just criticise most of your ideas without good arguments.
No it's tied to the practice of product placement, a very old practice for marketing. It's just about getting the brand name out there. Good or bad, you are still irrelevant if you are never noticed. CCP has had this thing with social media for many years, shouldn't be a sudden shock for most here.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Rarely ever see a CCP Dev interacting with the playerbase here in their own 'Official' forums
Baaaaaah those horrible CCP peeps never bothering to write home, they so terrible!! 
bichbichbich
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=247
Actually more than most games have done that I've noticed. I remember even when the UO forums were shut down, certainly not due to inactivity, lolarious good times those first few years. But some people you can never please, always going to be something. They do, they just to in other places as well, of which EVE players congregate as well.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6835
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Posted - 2015.09.08 12:39:03 -
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Webvan wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Webvan wrote:I think they do it for promotional reason so to get EVE mentioned by external social media sites. Promotional? How? How do we get new players by "new modules for missiles" thread on reddit? I remember one of my many atempts to start playing EvE. It was during summer of rage. I visited official forum to check something, tons of tears, ragequting etc. Hardly a promotion to start. Maybe it's because of quality of feedback at official forums. Many of us (including me) have mostly negative attitude to devs post. Maybe they need second opinion. Hard to work when everybody just criticise most of your ideas without good arguments. No it's tied to the practice of product placement, a very old practice for marketing. It's just about getting the brand name out there. Good or bad, you are still irrelevant if you are never noticed. CCP has had this thing with social media for many years, shouldn't be a sudden shock for most here.
I don't know about you guys but the new modules for missiles changed a lot.
I had to login to buy the new uncatchable kitey fit...
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Marech Bhayanaka
The Night Crew
The Night Crew Alliance
52
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Posted - 2015.09.11 18:07:23 -
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Crimson Nirnroots wrote:Extraordinary? Hyperbole I think.
No actually. Not hyperbole. I do find the negativity in the Eve forums extraordinary. This is a great game run by a great company, but one rarely hears that. Every thread on the topic is quickly filled with comments about how they are idiots who don't care and couldn't succeed if they did. Anbd many, many threads that are not even about CCP devolve into the same.
I love this game. I see the flaws, but that is true of every game, and I also recognize the incredible complexity of the challenge CCP faces in managing all of this. I think they manage it as well as ANY team could be expected to.
You may not find the negativity to extraordinary, but I do. The Eve forums are the single most negative community I participate in. I tolerate it only because of the great wealth of knowledge that is here.
Marech.
Edit: Seems I'm not the only one who thinks so: https://www.themittani.com/features/defense-ccp-fozzie/page/0/1
From the article wrote:Even though devs are likely to be fairly jaded about the internet, dealing with the same rage and negativity month after month, no matter what they do, must have an impact on their perception of the community.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
565
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Posted - 2015.09.11 18:42:36 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:To be fair, it's entirely up to then where they socialize.
I only take issue when they announce something elsewhere before they do so on their own damn forum or one of their dev blogs.
That I take issue with.
Same here. I neither use Reddit or Twitter.
Twitter for stuff like live events, I get. Can have instant notification if doing something else. Reddit? I just dislike it there. Real insulting if they are discussing forum issues there instead of here where it is a secure place for paid accounts.
Marech Bhayanaka wrote:No actually. Not hyperbole. I do find the negativity in the Eve forums extraordinary. This is a great game run by a great company, but one rarely hears that. From the article wrote:Even though devs are likely to be fairly jaded about the internet, dealing with the same rage and negativity month after month, no matter what they do, must have an impact on their perception of the community. Marech.
Cause I don't read that site, nor respect that guy, only going to comment on the quote. Lack of participation in discussions was a big part for many years. Good ideas and discussions go by the wayside whereas they post in the silly ones not even related to the game.
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Opertone
The Poverty Line
327
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:03:34 -
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this forum has certain rules, that both players and devs have to follow...
outside forums are free from limitations and allow greater flow of opinions and mind sets.
if you begin flaming, flooding, trolling, posting off-topic, ranting etc... it gets locked here
CPP is great, I like where eve has moved
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Miss Masquerade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:48:23 -
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.09.11 20:49:11 -
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Opertone wrote:this forum has certain rules, that both players and devs have to follow...
outside forums are free from limitations and allow greater flow of opinions and mind sets.
if you begin flaming, flooding, trolling, posting off-topic, ranting etc... it gets locked here
CPP is great, I like where eve has moved
One would think that CCP devs secretly like trolling, flaming and posting off topic. The rules here is what makes them go somewhere else to enjoy it.
Thats surprisingly logical.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
51886
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Posted - 2015.09.12 00:46:44 -
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You definitely have trolling down to a 'T' but you seriously need to train up reading comprehension. I wasn't talking about Dev's posting a thread announcing a new change to the game. I'm talking about Dev's and players interacting with conversation.
Anyway, I looked at that link you posted and picked a thread at random. Out of 14 pages there was only one 'interaction' from CCP on page 3. The same can be said for most of the other threads in these forums.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7143
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Posted - 2015.09.12 01:17:24 -
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The idea of a centralized web forum, such as this, is falling to the wayside. Handheld devices and apps along with a younger generation habitually being spread out on social media are also killing centralized forums. This forum concept, such as is delivered here, is dated and reminiscent of the 1990s. Most players don't use it, but a lot of people, players or not, use Reddit (and Voat, 8Chan, Twitter, FB, etc)
Ever try accessing these forums from a smart phone? Might as well be fueling a fighter jet with coal.
I think in the future it'll be cheaper to use public forum sub-sections and pay for advertising space there and game companies won't even bother with player forums.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
568
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Posted - 2015.09.12 01:42:53 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Ever try accessing these forums from a smart phone? Might as well be fueling a fighter jet with coal.
I have no problem. Tapatalk or something else can make it easy as well.
To quote Lfod Shi
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.09.12 04:32:35 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The idea of a centralized web forum, such as this, is falling to the wayside. Handheld devices and apps along with a younger generation habitually being spread out on social media are also killing centralized forums. This forum concept, such as is delivered here, is dated and reminiscent of the 1990s. Most players don't use it, but a lot of people, players or not, use Reddit (and Voat, 8Chan, Twitter, FB, etc)
Ever try accessing these forums from a smart phone? Might as well be fueling a fighter jet with coal.
I think in the future it'll be cheaper to use public forum sub-sections and pay for advertising space there and game companies won't even bother with player forums. I don't see anything wrong with it, though I come from an age of BBS and oh yes the Usenet  ,though I know what it is and don't lack understanding of tech trends. But yeah, everyone and their great grandmother are trending on the latest social media venue. But forum type software has been around some 30yrs+ and it's still very well used. It really isn't going to trend out anytime soon like most or all social media sites will. But then I don't have any real big problem with CCP spreading the EVE product name around other sites a bit, as long as they keep us informed here.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:You definitely have trolling down to a 'T' I just "troll" (as some label me) trolls like you, er or really fail trolls. But regardless, always wrong DMC wrong again, at least on the grading curve where CCP does in-fact interact with it's subscribers far more than traditionally among mmo's the past 20yrs or so.
In my book, since their turnaround a few years back, I give them a B. It's part of what keeps me in this game, the forum interaction, the streaming shows, in-game activity, the many irl forums and round tables (fanfest etc), not to mention sticking to old-school style game-play which I appreciate from CCP. They do all that even though you can't please all the people all the time, but it's still not a game for everyone. At least I think that the majority of EVE players (vets) are mature enough to realize that, what ever grade they would give CCP at least at some level of honesty. So yeah I defend them on that (not that I'm anyone here, but still...), and I'm sure some people hate me for it, or get really irritated. But I've been around mmo's long enough to recognize the differences.
But you hate this game for what it is, and most of us already know that, so I'm just wasting my time reasoning I'm sure, only building your anger while you dissect things to pick at or throw out a random "you're wrong!". Have you considered just going to something like eliteD or sc where you can play in a safe-safe environment at your leisure? At least in your case it might do you good.
I'm in it for the money
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Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
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My time is split here or on twitter.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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The signal to noise ratio on these forums is very low. The forums are hijacked by spammers, trolls and packs of posters with (not so) hidden agendas. Back when they were (mostly) contained in CAOD it was workable but these days posting on the forums, even more so as a DEV, is like choosing to do some tap dancing on a minefield. I'm not a fan of Reddit, I don't have an account there, but it's obvious to see that generally conversations tend to be more about the actual subject.
Whether choosing to thus use Reddit is another matter, I'd say that long term it's better to clean up your own forums rather than abandoning them, even more so as (prospective) newbies will check the forums, come to the conclusion it's full of terribleness and simply not bother with the game. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Tiberius Heth wrote:The signal to noise ratio on these forums is very low. The forums are hijacked by spammers, trolls and packs of posters with (not so) hidden agendas. Back when they were (mostly) contained in CAOD it was workable but these days posting on the forums, even more so as a DEV, is like choosing to do some tap dancing on a minefield.
Yes.... I too miss the wild west days of... the old forums  Gunslingers, cowboy hats, the chance of dying of typhoid, oh good times, good times all! 
Now I feel a little choked by... say... minimalism *shrugs* and songs of "welcome to the new age" (imagedragons - radioactive), dunno why. I'll stick with Garth, Social Distortion and the man in black, do my best to endure. Can't be worse than trendy social media quite honestly.
I'm in it for the money
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Salvos Rhoska
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Whether choosing to thus use Reddit is another matter, I'd say that long term it's better to clean up your own forums rather than abandoning them, even more so as (prospective) newbies will check the forums, come to the conclusion it's full of terribleness and simply not bother with the game.
My experience of reddit is its cliquish, unmoderated, lacks culpability, and one has to scroll through endless useless "semi-funny hurdur" one-liners that take the discussion nowhere, to pick out the occasional actual relevant and material concise paragraph.
Much of its success lies in people who don't have the patience, coherence or attention-span to process/produce more than one sentence at a time in a post.
Its very superficial, and the content lacks depth.
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Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2015.09.12 16:21:47 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:[quote=Tiberius Heth]
Twitter is even worse.
Tis a silly format used by, appropriately, "twits".
Ouch
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HeXxploiT
Big Diggers
Get Off My Lawn
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Ultim8Evil wrote:Why have CCP Devs taken to using Reddit more than the official Eve-O forums?
Compared to 2-3 years ago, these forums are dead, yet when I read articles on 3rd party websites or listen to podcasts, I'm inundated with "CCP [insert name] said on Reddit" or "blah blah was confirmed by CCP [insert name] on a Reddit post".
Have CCP abandoned their own forums in favour of Reddit?
BTW, serious question, not a rant.
Eve has talons into the real world such as RMT.
Because pilots place such value on their accounts and view them as real world assets they frequently want to talk about issues that will get their thread closed on this forum.
Also because pilots accounts are so highly valued every change CCP makes results in a teter-tauter effect to isk & power which has the tendency to make pilots want to vent more so than in other virtual realities and that's just not permitted on these forums.
Pilots value their accounts so they WILL find a place to talk about it.
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Salvos Rhoska
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HeXxploiT wrote:Where pilots go to talk devs will follow them. Freedom always makes for the most illuminating conversations.
If by "illuminating", you also mean unmoderated anonymous shiptoasting, and enticing devs out to where they can be influenced and are vulnerable, then yes.
Its a dangeous game you suggest. For Devs, because they are at the mercy of posters, and for players, because if a Dev whines to a GM, your ingame account might be banned for something that happened on a 3rd party system.
So the "freedom" you suggest, isnt really that at all.
Imagine if 4chan set up an EVE board.
That gives you some idea of the imperative of an official board, and keeping Devs tied to it.
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HeXxploiT
Big Diggers
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.09.12 19:11:21 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Where pilots go to talk devs will follow them. Freedom always makes for the most illuminating conversations. If by "illuminating", you also mean unmoderated anonymous shiptoasting, and enticing devs out to where they can be influenced and are vulnerable, then yes. Its a dangeous game you suggest. For Devs, because they are at the mercy of posters, and for players, because if a Dev whines to a GM, your ingame account might be banned for something that happened on a 3rd party system. So the "freedom" you suggest, isnt really that at all. Imagine if 4chan set up an EVE board. That gives you some idea of the imperative of an official board, and keeping Devs tied to it.
I'm not justifying the devs presence on other forums just explaining it. The illuminating aspect is a natural result of the players themselves being able to speak their minds. |
Salvos Rhoska
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HeXxploiT wrote:l'm not justifying the devs presence on other forums just explaining it. The illuminating aspect is a natural result of the players themselves being able to speak their minds.
They can speak their mind here too, as long as it done in a way that fits normal standards of responsible and civilised communication.
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Leeluvv
Polarized
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Posted - 2015.09.12 19:43:01 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:Whether choosing to thus use Reddit is another matter, I'd say that long term it's better to clean up your own forums rather than abandoning them, even more so as (prospective) newbies will check the forums, come to the conclusion it's full of terribleness and simply not bother with the game. My experience of reddit is its cliquish, unmoderated, lacks culpability, and one has to scroll through endless useless "semi-funny hurdur" one-liners that take the discussion nowhere, to pick out the occasional actual relevant and material concise paragraph. Much of its success lies in people who don't have the patience, coherence or attention-span to process/produce more than one sentence at a time in a post. Its very superficial, and the content lacks depth. For example: Nobody would read the full two paragraphs you posted here, if they were posted on reddit, and it would be followed up with a huge string of one-liners. Twitter is even worse. Tis a silly format used by, appropriately, "twits".
You've just demonstrated that you don't have a clue how Reddit works. The beauty of that forum is that the crap and detritus sink to the bottom and are easily ignored, whereas the interesting and relevant articles rise to the top, whereas on the Eve-O forums the top is time driven, not quality driven. This doesn't mean there isn't rubbish on Reddir, but you get rid of it much faster than on Eve-O. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Leeluvv wrote:
You've just demonstrated that you don't have a clue how Reddit works. The beauty of that forum is that the crap and detritus sink to the bottom and are easily ignored, whereas the interesting and relevant articles rise to the top. On the Eve-O forums the top is time driven, not quality driven. This doesn't mean there isn't rubbish on Reddit, but you get rid of it much faster than on Eve-O.
Quite the contrary.
In reality, on reddit, its exactly the crap and detritus that is upvoted to the top, whereas someone making the mistake of posting a full paragraph (two would be unthinkable) is ignored and sinks to the bottom.
You confuse popular opinion driven content, with quality.
On reddit the crap floats like a turd that will not flush.
Its indicative of your mentality and what I said about short attention spans, that you would think the tried and tested forum system doesnt float quality. Here, what is at the top, is that which is getting most content from posters. Its not time driven, its content driven. When the thread no longer concerns people, it promptly stops being fed with posts and drops off the board as uninteresting to participate in.
On reddit, what is at the top, is just whatever poop the public upvotes, (or downvotes, or ignores) regardless of contributing to it.
Voting is systemically a quantitative measure, not a qualitative one, except as a simple +/- vote.
The vote itself provides no content, whereas a post required to keep a thread alive on a forum, is inherently qualitative, and includes content.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Ever try accessing these forums from a smart phone? Might as well be fueling a fighter jet with coal.
Almost all of my posting and forumworrioring is done via smart phone,
Kids/college/irl in general necessitate this so
It's not entirely unreasonable to do with a decent sized phone with a generous data plan.
generally speaking though if I have time to sit at the pc I would actually be playing the game rather than talking about it.
Better the Devil you know.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Ever try accessing these forums from a smart phone? Might as well be fueling a fighter jet with coal.
Almost all of my posting and forumworrioring is done via smart phone, Kids/college/irl in general necessitate this so It's not entirely unreasonable to do with a decent sized phone with a generous data plan. generally speaking though if I have time to sit at the pc I would actually be playing the game rather than talking about it.
It's the tiny little touchpads and the auto-correct that I cannot shut off.
Makes me want to burn things.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:19:25 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's the tiny little touchpads and the auto-correct that I cannot shut off.
Makes me want to burn things. weird, should be settings on your keyboard app that will shut it off, even iphone does this Or try a different keyboard app, I bought one off google play and use it for all my android devices, has pages of settings and customizations. I have a bluetooth keyboard too, but I just use it for my tablet sometimes, has settings too.
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