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Ersahi Kir Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 406	Posted - 2015.09.08 21:51:08 - [1] - Quote So what laser battleships are actually decent for PvE? I'm not the best eft warrior out there, but trying to design a laser PvE ship has been soul crushing. What ships are normally PvE platforms for lasers? The only one I managed to fit up was a paladin, but I was looking for something that doesn't require the marauders skill to fly. I'm use to not being cap stable, but the ships I've been trying to fit have been far beyond cap stable and well into "if you fire your guns you're going to cap out in 2 minutes" territory without tank.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1624	Posted - 2015.09.08 22:11:02 - [2] - Quote nightmare and paladin are the two best. the apoc and abaddon can both work, but are kinda meh. you more or less need tachyons, or t2 megapulse because of scorch, to be efficient. Also the nightmare and paladin both only having 4 guns means you save on cap. nightmare works alright with a semi stable setup with an undersized shield booster, or a bit better with a cap injected burst tank paladin I just run an undersized rep and its almost cap stable just like that. @ChainsawPlankto
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 473	Posted - 2015.09.08 22:37:31 - [3] - Quote You should prepare your consciousness and warm up your feelings for mighty Armageddon Navy Issue. This is the only ship you should focus your mind on. Be like a jedi or take the dark side and here is your lazer sword ready to take heretics souls off.
Ersahi Kir Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 406	Posted - 2015.09.08 22:58:56 - [4] - Quote Honestly the apoc and abaddon were two of the ones I was struggling with. Especially the abaddon. After fitting 8 T2 lasers and 2 heat sinks I was running on empty. In a buffer fit DPS boat I could see how you could make it work, but in a PvE environment I couldn't make it work.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 473	Posted - 2015.09.08 23:14:41 - [5] - Quote Ersahi Kir wrote: Honestly the apoc and abaddon were two of the ones I was struggling with. Especially the abaddon. After fitting 8 T2 lasers and 2 heat sinks I was running on empty. In a buffer fit DPS boat I could see how you could make it work, but in a PvE environment I couldn't make it work. Apoc is the best for a newbro. And looks like you didn't read about Navyddon.
Forum Toon State War Academy Caldari State 7	Posted - 2015.09.08 23:47:29 - [6] - Quote From my experience in the past you want geddon navy issue. beside the obvious bonuses to your lasers and nice fitting stats you can field a selectable damage in form of 5 sentry drones. fit for gank and you can nuke most l4s easily.
Ersahi Kir Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 406	Posted - 2015.09.08 23:49:02 - [7] - Quote I missed it. I remember trying to eft out a navy geddon, and I don't remember it being beefy enough to fit tach's. I'll have to play with it some more and see if I can come up with something that isn't terrible.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 473	Posted - 2015.09.08 23:51:43 - [8] - Quote Ersahi Kir wrote: I missed it. I remember trying to eft out a navy geddon, and I don't remember it being beefy enough to fit tach's. I'll have to play with it some more and see if I can come up with something that isn't terrible. You should consider yoyr skills level factor, not enough PG. And Mega Pulses works just fine.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11685	Posted - 2015.09.09 00:41:07 - [9] - Quote Ersahi Kir wrote: I missed it. I remember trying to eft out a navy geddon, and I don't remember it being beefy enough to fit tach's. I'll have to play with it some more and see if I can come up with something that isn't terrible. advanced weapon upgrades V Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Ersahi Kir Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 406	Posted - 2015.09.09 00:42:36 - [10] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: advanced weapon upgrades V My character has good fitting skills. I do not have good eft fitting skills.

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1625	Posted - 2015.09.09 01:13:03 - [11] - Quote Navy geddon isn't a bad choice, but I feel like with tachs it is a bit tight. that said it can do a lot of damage @ChainsawPlankto
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4632	Posted - 2015.09.09 01:21:43 - [12] - Quote What, no interest in the Nestor? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ersahi Kir Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 406	Posted - 2015.09.09 01:34:51 - [13] - Quote Nestor really isn't a laser ship, it's a drone ship. I think when I fit it out 80% of the damage was drone based. As far as my navy geddon fit that I whipped up in eft, this is what I came up with: 7x mega pulse laser II 1x100 mn afterburner II 1xTracking computer II 2xCap Recharger II 2xCapacitor Power Relay II 1xLarge Armor Repairer II 3xArmor Hardener II's (fit based on faction) 2x Heat Sink II 1xLarge Capacitor Control Circuit I 2xLarge Energy Locus Coordinator II It seems like way too many cap mods, but when I take one off things quickly go south. I'm just not sure how cap unstable I can get before things fall apart.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 474	Posted - 2015.09.09 02:13:42 - [14] - Quote [Armageddon Navy Issue, 600m] since you do care of cap stability i did use couple of cap rechargers along with T2 CCC's; two empties for NPC specific hardeners; one extra high utility slot as well. Heat Sink II x3 [Empty Low slot] [Empty Low slot] Large Ancillary Armor Repairer Reactive Armor Hardener Damage Control II Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II x2 Large Micro Jump Drive Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L x7 [Empty High slot] Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II 'Integrated' Ogre x5 'Integrated' Infiltrator x5
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8469	Posted - 2015.09.09 03:21:53 - [15] - Quote Jeez, how the times have changed. T2 CCCs for a newbie(ish) fit? Crickey. [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 373	Posted - 2015.09.09 05:52:30 - [16] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Jeez, how the times have changed. T2 CCCs for a newbie(ish) fit? Crickey. Yea theres a lot of that fit that doesn't make sense for missions. But yea if you have good drone skills and T2 pulse then the geddon navy has pretty good raw damage and decent cap but its tight on fitting. Another ship to look at would be the navy apoc. It's faster and has much better application (Range and tracking bonuses) at the cost of cap and damage. It also doesn't require T2 sentries (or heavies I guess) to do well. Regardless if you're going to fly lazors, start getting familiar with the cap booster :P If you have good shield and Caldari BB skills then the nightmare is actually a good mission boat to look at as it's very fast, has an AB bonus, can use tachs and I believe is very cheap atm? Just remember with a shield fit you pulse the shield rep (nice n cheap Pith c-type X-large). Hell if you really want you CAN get a cap stable Nightmare with a ridiculous 528 omni tank, because cap modules are weird. I mean I wouldn't run this myself but it's kinda lulsy. Probably downgrade to a pith large and add a few tracking comps/enhancers instead of the cap modules. Invuls obviously switch out for rat specific hardners [Nightmare, Cap stable] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II 100MN Afterburner II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II x5
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11691	Posted - 2015.09.09 06:46:46 - [17] - Quote Ersahi Kir wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: advanced weapon upgrades V My character has good fitting skills. I do not have good eft fitting skills. Does it have advanced weapon upgrades V though? I seem to remember getting a full rack of tach's on there with awuV, still damn tight though. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Mr Mac Dark Goliath 88	Posted - 2015.09.09 07:16:19 - [18] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Jeez, how the times have changed. T2 CCCs for a newbie(ish) fit? Crickey. I wouldn't fit t1 in navies
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8470	Posted - 2015.09.09 10:43:31 - [19] - Quote Sorry OP for detracting from your thread, but I'll make it quick: I have returned now, but I last played full-time in 2011 or thereabouts, and at that point large CCC IIs were running for about 2-300 million. Now, they're like a fifth of that old price and cropping up everywhere. I see a lot of frigate fittings with T2 rigs - I guess some things take some getting used to! [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1011	Posted - 2015.09.09 11:42:45 - [20] - Quote I'll never understand this cap stability thing people want to do. It takes way too many mods and gimps your setup way too much. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide

Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1410	Posted - 2015.09.09 11:45:00 - [21] - Quote frigate rigs are still reasonably priced. Large T2 CCCs are still hovering around the 60m mark which imo is a VERY overpriced piece of equipment for VERY LITTLE gain. Time and time again I see people post fits where the main goal is to reach cap stability. For most PvE situations YOU DO NOT NEED CAP STABILITY. Think very hard to yourself and figure out in what god-forsaken situation would you need to perma run every active module on your ship indefinitely. Hint: this doesn't exist. Also don't be afraid of using cap boosters in PvE, loot is awful atm and you're in a laser ship which basically means your entire cargo hold is free for cap boosters
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 373	Posted - 2015.09.09 12:41:17 - [22] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: For most PvE situations YOU DO NOT NEED CAP STABILITY. Yup. If I were to actually build and run a nightmare I'd do something like this: [Nightmare, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 100MN Afterburner II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Hammerhead II x5 The idea being that I can near perma run the AB, Guns and hardners without the need for the cap booster or NOS while increasing your warp speed to within bearable limits. If you need more cap use NOS when low and if you need even more then the Cap booster comes in. An alternative build would be to rely more on the cap booster by dropping the cap rechargers and heck by that point the CCC serves almost no purpose so drop that as well. Put on two TCs and your choice of rig (Another HVO II or maybe a mobility rig) and then in the lows replace the two TEs with Nanofibres because 11.3 sec align time (without the AB on even) is absolutely stupid. With two Nanos you get same align time as a mach. [Nightmare, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 100MN Afterburner II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Hammerhead II x5 Hmmm, might be buying a new toy tonight
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 833	Posted - 2015.09.09 15:05:41 - [23] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: ...the worst Nightmare fits I have seen so far... Sorry dear but NO. The Nightmare is a very advanced piece of technology and should not be flown by a noob. Moving on, I don't understand you all. Why do you advise newbies to get navy ships and don't appreciate the 'little' things? The Apocalypse is an amazing laserboat and you don't need tachyons to make the ship work. Mega beams work just fine. Listen to Tsukino, she is correct and you don't need capacitor stability in EFT to run missions. You just make sure that your capacitor regenerates enough cap that you can pulse your rep every now and then and fit the rest of the lows with resistance mods - at the most you'll need two or three of them, which leaves room for a capacitor power relay or a nano. Even mega beams are tight to fit so you end up with enough powergrid to fit one armor rep, so increase your primary and secondary resistance. Snipe away from 100km and mjd out of harms way, rinse repeat. With mega beams you want to load standard crystals and use them for the most time since they give you the 100km engagement envilope. And they happen to be the most forgiving laser crystals out there. Start with that and when you have a better feeling for laser ships you can upgrade to the navy ones later. Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 375	Posted - 2015.09.09 15:29:46 - [24] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: ...the worst Nightmare fits I have seen so far... Sorry dear but NO. The Nightmare is a very advanced piece of technology and should not be flown by a noob. Thank you for your informative and helpful feedback, I will take your advice to heart and change my fit accordingly, that is if I had so much as an inkling as to what the heck is wrong with it. Though going by the rest of your post I think I'd be better off getting advice from someone else, not that anything you've posted constitutes advice
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 835	Posted - 2015.09.09 16:25:58 - [25] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: Thank you for your informative and helpful feedback, I will take your advice to heart and change my fit accordingly, that is if I had so much as an inkling as to what the heck is wrong with it. Though going by the rest of your post I think I'd be better off getting advice from someone else, not that anything you've posted constitutes advice You didn't ask for one but posted two random Nightmare fits. Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 377	Posted - 2015.09.09 16:28:49 - [26] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: Thank you for your informative and helpful feedback, I will take your advice to heart and change my fit accordingly, that is if I had so much as an inkling as to what the heck is wrong with it. Though going by the rest of your post I think I'd be better off getting advice from someone else, not that anything you've posted constitutes advice You didn't ask for one but posted two random Nightmare fits. Op asked for laser boat PvE fits and considered a paladin but doesn't have marauder skills (but maybe enough money for one). posting nightmare fits isn't exactly random. Might need to skill up Reading Comp to V there. Regardless, going to test the fits out myself to make sure I didn't miss anything obvious
Tohkat Sinawi Black Sword Is Back 1	Posted - 2015.09.09 16:30:20 - [27] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: elitatwo wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: ...the worst Nightmare fits I have seen so far... Sorry dear but NO. The Nightmare is a very advanced piece of technology and should not be flown by a noob. Thank you for your informative and helpful feedback, I will take your advice to heart and change my fit accordingly, that is if I had so much as an inkling as to what the heck is wrong with it. Though going by the rest of your post I think I'd be better off getting advice from someone else, not that anything you've posted constitutes advice Actually, in my experience, this is precisely the best advice that you could receive regarding flying Amarr ships as a non-armor, non-laser pilot that's learning the ropes. I have a fit that gets the Nightmare cap stable... it also gimps it into the ground so that it does like, 300-400 dps instead of the 700+ that it is readily capable of... Until that time, a sniper fit is a great place to start while you learn the ropes of the missions in Amarr space and such. If you are only going to fit 2 resists and 1 repper that you can only pulse... you had also better toss on an MJD and snipe. Without close drone monitoring I've struggled with elite frigates since I left Caldari space. The MJD sniper fit is the only way that I've found to readily handle those little guys. It is a very viable way to bring the Tachys while still managing well all sizes of ships. ...perhaps next time you should consider that since you're asking the question and they're taking the time to answer the question... they may, perhaps, think that they know the answer... Stuff like using a medium nos with a beam fit should have caught your curiosity far more quickly than someone recommending a sniper fit.. note how randomly that cap-booster fit is set with SOO many cap modules, despite being booster-based. Good luck! Regardless of the fit & ship that you try out, always be ready to experiment and figure out what works best for you! In my case, depends on the day - sometimes the high dps sniper fit is exactly what I want... other days, low DPS and tank-your-face-off does the trick. :-)
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 377	Posted - 2015.09.09 16:33:35 - [28] - Quote Ah wait a sec, you guys still stuck on the silly cap stable fit I posted a page back? The one I specifically said was nonsensical?
Ersahi Kir Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 406	Posted - 2015.09.09 18:25:38 - [29] - Quote I guess I should've been more explicit in my first post. I'm use to flying minmatar PvE ships. I have level 5 in all relevant fitting skills for battleships (no ewar and some drone skills, but basic fitting skills are maxed). I'm currently training large energy turret 5, and I wanted to play with it when I finished. The reason I didn't want the paladin is my amarr battleship skill is only 3, but I already have the marauders skill. The issue I have is that fitting armor/laser ships is a lot different than fitting autocannon/shield ships, and the level of instability I've been having trouble finding the balance for how long my capacitor lasts.
Titus Heldane Sleeper Insanity Wrong Hole. 18	Posted - 2015.09.09 18:40:35 - [30] - Quote if all the crabs can stop arguing, ill post a proper pve navy geddon: [Armageddon Navy Issue, pve] Large Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Capacitor Power Relay II 100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Curator II x5 Infiltrator II x5 Acolyte II x5 all amarr drones in true amarr style, tanked vs blood raiders. 937dps with scorch and curators out to over 50k. tanks 500 dps. 6m15s cap without the nos, 18m with. this has plenty of cap to swim through lvl 4s.



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