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Kairi Raast Blue-Fire Great Blue Balls of Fire 3	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:38:40 - [1] - Quote Since Aegis of course moving supers has become an almost impossible endeavour for smaller people by conventional means since there are so many chokepoints in lowsec. What I'm proposing is that the jumplimit on Kspace -> Kspace (LS-> LS, NS->NS, and NS->LS) be increased to accommodate titans and supercapitals to provide a third option for these massive ships. Before I put it in features and Ideas I was wondering how the wormhole population felt about this idea. Just for reference the largest Titan I think is a Leviathan at 2,450,000,000 Mass, and the largest super is a Wyvern at 1,650,000,000 Mass.
Adarnof Super Secret Spaceship Syndicate 93	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:54:50 - [2] - Quote Sorry to hear your supers are inconveniencing you.
smokeAjoint Unsettled Unsettled. 67	Posted - 2015.09.10 20:59:58 - [3] - Quote Wil not happen -álegalize it
TurboX3 Hax. Shadow Cartel 132	Posted - 2015.09.10 21:29:41 - [4] - Quote I think this is a great idea - I support this 100% No Trolling Please
Alundil Isogen 5 1012	Posted - 2015.09.10 23:35:57 - [5] - Quote Honestly I don't know why you'd think wormhole players would care. If it's kspace to kspace only and it doesn't change the total allowable mass and only affects the per jump maximum mass then it's entirely without impact on wspace (except in small edge cases where a wspace pilot has a super alt in a lowsec or nullsec alliance. But that still doesn't really impact wspace. I'm right behind you
Winthorp 3657	Posted - 2015.09.11 03:31:53 - [6] - Quote No. Now GTFO. I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's". Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4642	Posted - 2015.09.11 05:12:12 - [7] - Quote This really isn't a WH question. The k-k space holes can work however they want and it won't affect wspace at all, as such you'd need to ask ns community about it. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Doku Dakar Out of Focus Odin's Call 60	Posted - 2015.09.11 09:16:38 - [8] - Quote Aslong as it's a 1 way jump as the single jump mass is so great it force collapses. Then decloak a HIC on the other side and tackle a Titan! Commence batphone procedure
Anthar Thebess 1302	Posted - 2015.09.11 09:42:29 - [9] - Quote Doku Dakar wrote: Aslong as it's a 1 way jump as the single jump mass is so great it force collapses. Then decloak a HIC on the other side and tackle a Titan! Commence batphone procedure This actually could be very interesting. Just add a critical mass to collapse WH , where 1 titan or 1 SC can jump, collapsing the WH. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Peonza Chan Gloryhole Initiative Que os den forsaken 16	Posted - 2015.09.11 11:36:13 - [10] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: This really isn't a WH question. The k-k space holes can work however they want and it won't affect wspace at all, as such you'd need to ask ns community about it. ^this

Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1399	Posted - 2015.09.11 12:46:56 - [11] - Quote Doku Dakar wrote: Aslong as it's a 1 way jump as the single jump mass is so great it force collapses. Then decloak a HIC on the other side and tackle a Titan! Commence batphone procedure whoah what a great way to have these holes used! also lol if you think 1 hic could hold a titan unless there were people ready to jump immediately The only real good use for these holes would be to ease the bottleneck for supers in the south moving through Aridia and Derelik If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Phoenix Jones Small-Arms Fire 1545	Posted - 2015.09.11 15:12:19 - [12] - Quote No for a multitude of reasons, but with an exception regarding movement through critical holes. Which I won't bring up here. Supers through wormholes? Nope. Logistics becomes a bit rediculous. Terrain becomes pointless again. Can't agree with it, especially since player made gates are on some time horizon. Yaay!!!!
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1399	Posted - 2015.09.11 15:44:48 - [13] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: Supers through wormholes? Nope. Logistics becomes a bit rediculous. Terrain becomes pointless again. Can't agree with it, especially since player made gates are on some time horizon. how? if you can only fit the same number as you could caps (3), nothing changes. And lol if you think that would change logistics. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ransu Asanari AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 333	Posted - 2015.09.11 16:05:33 - [14] - Quote No. I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff.
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1399	Posted - 2015.09.11 16:31:10 - [15] - Quote Ransu Asanari wrote: No. I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff. like what? If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Jonn Duune Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation 10	Posted - 2015.09.11 19:00:10 - [16] - Quote I'll say what I said on reddit regarding this idea: 1) A titan cannot be allowed through a kspace <-> kspace WH. 2) A super should be about 55% of the MAX possible mass of a WH (so 2 supers will guaranteed close it). With this, i would increase the mass of the supers upto about 1.6-1.7b, and make sure the titans are at least 2b (though given their size difference, they should realistically be closer to 10b in my mind, but that's irrelevant) The WH should have enough mass to allow a subcap supported super to go through it, but nothing too much more than that in my opinion any other WH connection should not be changed to allow supers through. 3) Total jumpable mass on the WH should not increase. I like the idea, but it has no baring on me, as I am a full time WHer.
Alundil Isogen 5 1019	Posted - 2015.09.11 19:30:01 - [17] - Quote "...fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff." I disagree. So long as proper constraints were placed around those changes it's likely that nothing else gets broken (unless it's also tied to POS code). There's no compelling benefit to be gained from allowing supers to move through k<->k connections other than the logistics of moving that very limited number of ships (given the maximum total mass on any wormhole is, iirc, 5b tons no more than a total 2-3 supers would be able to get through before it collapsed anyway). That said, I still don't think it involves wspace in the slightest. I'm right behind you
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1399	Posted - 2015.09.11 20:03:28 - [18] - Quote Jonn Duune wrote: I'll say what I said on reddit regarding this idea: 1) A titan cannot be allowed through a kspace <-> kspace WH. why not? there're a lot of dumb ideas in this thread thrown out without any explanation. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Gary Bell Herp Inc.dot Darwinism. 144	Posted - 2015.09.12 11:40:19 - [19] - Quote I honestly think this is a good idea.. It would give supers that are left behind when there corp/ alliance moves another option to get closer to where they need to be. The logistics envolved in finding a kspace to kspace that would help someone get around any faster is very minimal chances anyway. You could scan 25 systems for a month and still not find a WH of any use. I also kinda like the idea of jumping a titan threw with a small subcap fleet to allow bridge support to follow. It is very easy now a days to find a WH to a fight though so those metrics would need to be looked at sense it is already pretty easy, giving someone the ability to bring a titan bridge as well could be a little broken. But all and all I think this is the smartest idea to come outta these forums in a while lol. Moving the supers back would require alot of effort if you decided to commit to bringing a titan threw for the bridge so it could lead to less deaths of supers by having a slightly safer way to navigate bottlenecks and it could inturn lead to more deaths and small super groups if not single supers being moved for support could be caught a long way from support. IDK throw it to the people who make decisions see what they say :p
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1400	Posted - 2015.09.12 12:53:22 - [20] - Quote Bringing a Titan with means you'd get into the fight moderately faster, but it'd take AGES to get home. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 572	Posted - 2015.09.12 13:42:58 - [21] - Quote FREE YOURSELF FROM THE SHACKLES OF SUPERS AND.... Actually use them in a fight. No? Yeah, didn't think so. Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1401	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:28:19 - [22] - Quote bet I have more super kills than you~ If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Winthorp 3675	Posted - 2015.09.12 21:30:33 - [23] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: bet I have more super kills than you~ Spoken like a naive child drinking from a sippy cup. I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's". Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1405	Posted - 2015.09.13 01:53:20 - [24] - Quote pls half of them are solo If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Samantha Elroy Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 34	Posted - 2015.09.15 07:08:18 - [25] - Quote Going to cut me with a spoon while reading this.
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1413	Posted - 2015.09.15 13:04:40 - [26] - Quote try to avoid sticking them in the disposal If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1367	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:09:37 - [27] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Doku Dakar wrote: Aslong as it's a 1 way jump as the single jump mass is so great it force collapses. Then decloak a HIC on the other side and tackle a Titan! Commence batphone procedure whoah what a great way to have these holes used! also lol if you think 1 hic could hold a titan unless there were people ready to jump immediately The only real good use for these holes would be to ease the bottleneck for supers in the south moving through Aridia and Derelik I think this underlines the reason not to put this in the game. A bottleneck has been created and supers are dying trying to get through it. This is good for the game. It creates jobs, lots of jobs. It's good for the economy. Miners feel needed and useful. Indy guys get to build more so they feel pretty good about themselves. Then there is the whole espionage thing where you have to keep the super oven alive while the new one hatches. Let me run the math for you in simple terms: 1 erebus dying in aridia does the following: The negatives: 1 - super pilot becomes a sad panda, grows a little bitter vet attitude and rails about losing the feeling of being special. 4 - back room stogie smokine mega alliance leaders are moved to sigh, rage or cry on the news. (this stat is actually a wash because for every 4 unhappy stogie smokers on one side, there are 4 happy stogie smokers on some other side) The positives: 50+ miners swell with pride and mine mine mine to create the minerals for a new super. 5 (or so) Indy guys find purpose and begin building another super. 2 (or so) fuel bunnies are elated they can maintain the factory line. 100+ guys grind up and maintain the system/region stats to keep the super baby factory on the up and up. 30 (or so) guys have that satisfied full feeling as they successfully complete another hunt and post their trophy for all to see. Countless pve jocks grind npcs to get those sweet sweet elite bling mods to sell to the new super pilot. The market in Jita thrives as all the bits required in the production process get bought and sold, hedged and scammed. There are more minor positives that are less tangible, but for brevity I'll stop the list here. Conclusion: blowing up 1 super makes 1 guys crazy mad and at lease 200 guys happy. Blowing up supers is good for the game. If the loss isn't on 'good terms'.... well (shrugs) that really doesn't matter to me or most of the player base. Unless all K>K wh dump out in iridia, then I'll vote no.
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1418	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:22:04 - [28] - Quote lol if you think people are building supers right now. In theory a bottleneck would be great, but between fozzie sov and supers being useless, why buy them, why build them? If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1367	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:55:11 - [29] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: lol if you think people are building supers right now. In theory a bottleneck would be great, but between fozzie sov and supers being useless, why buy them, why build them? So now I'm confused. You bring up the bottleneck and that supers through wh would ease the bottleneck. Now you say supers are useless and no one is building them. At this point if I agreed with you and declared supers useless and on the way to extinction, then I would have to question why it's even a thing to discuss? If supers are indeed useless and on the way out then why waste dev time (any time for that matter) on changing the game to allow an additional mode of travel for useless ships that are soon to be extinct? I'm getting confused!
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1420	Posted - 2015.09.17 03:18:16 - [30] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: lol if you think people are building supers right now. In theory a bottleneck would be great, but between fozzie sov and supers being useless, why buy them, why build them? So now I'm confused. You bring up the bottleneck and that supers through wh would ease the bottleneck. Now you say supers are useless and no one is building them. At this point if I agreed with you and declared supers useless and on the way to extinction, then I would have to question why it's even a thing to discuss? If supers are indeed useless and on the way out then why waste dev time (any time for that matter) on changing the game to allow an additional mode of travel for useless ships that are soon to be extinct? I'm getting confused! I didn't post the thread, just commented as someone who owns a super v0v apparently there's a change to them being announced at eve vegas, so maybe this thread will be mildly relevant at that time, but I doubt it. atm there isn't a huge reason to own a super tho If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1367	Posted - 2015.09.17 08:36:59 - [31] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: lol if you think people are building supers right now. In theory a bottleneck would be great, but between fozzie sov and supers being useless, why buy them, why build them? So now I'm confused. You bring up the bottleneck and that supers through wh would ease the bottleneck. Now you say supers are useless and no one is building them. At this point if I agreed with you and declared supers useless and on the way to extinction, then I would have to question why it's even a thing to discuss? If supers are indeed useless and on the way out then why waste dev time (any time for that matter) on changing the game to allow an additional mode of travel for useless ships that are soon to be extinct? I'm getting confused! I didn't post the thread, just commented as someone who owns a super v0v apparently there's a change to them being announced at eve vegas, so maybe this thread will be mildly relevant at that time, but I doubt it. atm there isn't a huge reason to own a super tho I heard the change is they will be directly converted to candy. If you own an erebus at the time of the patch it will be deleted from the game and you will be mailed 3 grape blow pops and a 5 pound bag of M&Ms. I think you get mike and ikes for the leviathon, which I don't really care for. I would deffo trade a leviathon for an erebus before patch time. I'm not sure why they even make Mike and Ikes anymore. No one likes them. This whole thread just feels like an "it's to hard/dangerous to move my super" thread. Let supers fly properly and prepared or let them burn.
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1420	Posted - 2015.09.17 12:54:53 - [32] - Quote It's an interesting idea. It's p easy for me to move my super tho If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Boson Dubstep Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Psychotic Tendencies. 8	Posted - 2015.09.18 07:35:52 - [33] - Quote This is a great idea, and certainly would address the very common issue of super pilots quitting the game because they can't fly with their friends due to the fact that they had to work / do something else / whatever during their alliances super move op.
Winthorp 3683	Posted - 2015.09.18 10:41:10 - [34] - Quote Boson Dubstep wrote: This is a great idea, and certainly would address the very common issue of super pilots quitting the game because they can't fly with their friends due to the fact that they had to work / do something else / whatever during their alliances super move op. What a load of ****. I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's". Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1421	Posted - 2015.09.18 13:09:48 - [35] - Quote join a better alliance that has more move ops If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Jak'at Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 58	Posted - 2015.09.28 14:22:52 - [36] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Ransu Asanari wrote: No. I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff. like what? Like being able to bring in enough pilots to kill a super before it emergency warps.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1260	Posted - 2015.09.28 15:29:00 - [37] - Quote Jak'at wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Ransu Asanari wrote: No. I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff. like what? Like being able to bring in enough pilots to kill a super before it emergency warps. Increasing the max jumpable mass doesn't quite affecting anything but... the size of the biggest ship able to travel through.
Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1442	Posted - 2015.09.28 17:27:29 - [38] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Jak'at wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Ransu Asanari wrote: No. I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff. like what? Like being able to bring in enough pilots to kill a super before it emergency warps. Increasing the max jumpable mass doesn't quite affecting anything but... the size of the biggest ship able to travel through. at least someone can read~ If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Jak'at Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 58	Posted - 2015.09.28 18:03:06 - [39] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Jak'at wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Ransu Asanari wrote: No. I don't care if you could only move one Super/Titan though a K-Space<>K-Space wormhole. Fiddling with the mass restrictions alone would break way too much other stuff. like what? Like being able to bring in enough pilots to kill a super before it emergency warps. Increasing the max jumpable mass doesn't quite affecting anything but... the size of the biggest ship able to travel through. Allowing Supers to slip through Kspace exits without the inbound slay fleet able to follow is just another meta for keeping supers safe or making them easier to move.
Jak'at Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 58	Posted - 2015.09.28 18:03:51 - [40] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: at least someone can read~ #sothug

Andrew Jester ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 1443	Posted - 2015.09.28 19:35:03 - [41] - Quote wow you say a lot of dumb ****. Braxy please don't let the scum of your corp post, tia in advance If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Kalel Nimrott The Dingus Coalition 1219	Posted - 2015.09.28 20:24:52 - [42] - Quote Your qualls are killig me, guys! Bob Artis, you will be missed. O7


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