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TylerJames
Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.19 14:56:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: sariss Sorted.......mind posting your losses?
yes.
I mind posting my kills too...
I dont play to get ranked on a ladder - and i dont think its wise to give out my ship type/setups and locations.
Then it will upset you to know that your losses can be found on our alliance board and about 60 other alliance boards that you have decced
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 17:33:00 -
[62]
Originally by: TylerJames
Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: sariss Sorted.......mind posting your losses?
yes.
I mind posting my kills too...
I dont play to get ranked on a ladder - and i dont think its wise to give out my ship type/setups and locations.
Then it will upset you to know that your losses can be found on our alliance board and about 60 other alliance boards that you have decced
No - not at all. I just dont intend to give the info out freely. And if I do decide to post again I will post kills and losses. btw, I still use the KB's to get intel on other pilots.
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Leto Twin
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 20:27:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Jebe Noyon I personaly find Privateers awesome - you need just one post in the forum saying - "Hi we are Privateers...." and you get 20 pages of flame, smack, acusations and boasting from the fans.
We are all the new SirMolle. There are hundreds of us. Fear!
We have made the forums smacktasticular again. Because jealousy turns to smack. And when we kill your haulers, it turns to smack. When we beat you with 3 ships against your 12 man blob, it also turns to smack. Because when we are outnumbered and fight 4:1 we are still cowards, because we must've had more firepower. Skill has nothing to do with it.
= )! You can call me LetoMolle. Or SirLeto. SirTwin?
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.01.20 09:54:00 -
[64]
Most pilots will judge the ffectiveness of a mercenary contract by not only the kills but by the losses the corp achieves over the term of its contract.
How then are Privateers able to judge their effectiveness when your alliance fails to post the huge majority of its losses. During the recent war that you prosecuted against Trinity Nova we found out of some 35 losses your pilots posted approximately 3. I believe one of our own pilots felt the need to help you correct this by adding some of the rest in until I pointed out it was futile.
If you only post your kills to extend your e-peens and make it look as if you are accomplished pvp'ers theen I can see why posting your actual losses makes it hard to be the feared group of pilots you would appear to desire to be.
I do recognise though that at leats a few of your pilots did post their losses so hats off to them for at least trying to keep it accurate.
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Leto Twin
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.20 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Viqer Fell Most pilots will judge the ffectiveness of a mercenary contract by not only the kills but by the losses the corp achieves over the term of its contract.
How then are Privateers able to judge their effectiveness when your alliance fails to post the huge majority of its losses. During the recent war that you prosecuted against Trinity Nova we found out of some 35 losses your pilots posted approximately 3. I believe one of our own pilots felt the need to help you correct this by adding some of the rest in until I pointed out it was futile.
If you only post your kills to extend your e-peens and make it look as if you are accomplished pvp'ers theen I can see why posting your actual losses makes it hard to be the feared group of pilots you would appear to desire to be.
I do recognise though that at leats a few of your pilots did post their losses so hats off to them for at least trying to keep it accurate.
The people who don't post their losses also, usually, don't post their kills.
Not 100% sure, I post both, but I don't believe it is mandatory to do.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.01.20 22:22:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Taurequis on 20/01/2007 22:19:42 Hi,
Surely with a flat fee of 50 mil a week to have your enemy wardec'ed the losses that PA take and post are irrelevant to the employer.
All i'd want to see for my 50 mil was an equivalant or more amount of damage or some indication of worth-while disruption to the target in the week period.
I really doubt you could hire any merc corp for 50 mil. It would hardly even cover the ammo costs for a more specific op. So why bother making the comparison.
Taur
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.20 23:46:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Taurequis Edited by: Taurequis on 20/01/2007 22:19:42 Hi,
Surely with a flat fee of 50 mil a week to have your enemy wardec'ed the losses that PA take and post are irrelevant to the employer.
All i'd want to see for my 50 mil was an equivalant or more amount of damage or some indication of worth-while disruption to the target in the week period.
I really doubt you could hire any merc corp for 50 mil. It would hardly even cover the ammo costs for a more specific op. So why bother making the comparison.
Taur
Valid points, but I thnk the above poster (above you) would argue that if we shoot 3 BS's and give the enemy 40 kills on us then they are in profit. The killboards of the target alliance are usualy more accurate than ours (but rarley 100%), so I would look to that for effectivness, barwing in mind our fly cheap fly often reccommendations for out pilots. Some allainces come out on top, some dont - It does vary and they have to nab some nice mods from our wrecks to ofset their t2 ship losses.
However that being said - it makes empire life very difficult for alot of empire pilots, even if their alliance gets the upperhand on us. I have seen Privs pilots take a grudge from some of our WT and extend wars to exact revenage, so 50M in some cases can go along way.
at the end of the day though, its only 50m.
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Kai Jyokoroi
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.22 00:39:00 -
[68]
Seeing as I'm in Empire approx 1 time every 6 months, I've never actually even seen a Privateer. The mere thought of pvping in Jita makes me want to cry.
Seriously guys, I'm not going to smack you - your style of gameplay makes me feel so sorry for you. _____________ DAMN IT! I got a sig-jack from wystler and then accidentally broke it :(
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Leto Twin
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:29:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi Seeing as I'm in Empire approx 1 time every 6 months, I've never actually even seen a Privateer. The mere thought of pvping in Jita makes me want to cry.
Seriously guys, I'm not going to smack you - your style of gameplay makes me feel so sorry for you.
We were created out of feeling sorry for the opposite.
We feel sorry for: - 0.0 PvP being whoever shoots further wins. - 0.0 PvP being 50BSes to a side. - 0.0 PvP being shooting POSes with ships that (if they were organic) would **** out battleships. - Taxing of members. - Being told what to do. - 0.0 PvP being Veldspar mining. - People not coming to empire (to be shot by us). - Carebears beginning to take over 0.0. - Carebears taking over empire. - Low sec needs to be repopulated; we are making high sec low sec, without the gate guns.
To be continued...
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Leumas Ebmocnud
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:37:00 -
[70]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but all i have actually seen in reality is skillful use of the dock/undock button. Hats off to you for your mastery of fleeing from a smaller force though, it beggers belief.
I apologise to those of the Privateers who do fight with honour, but i`m yet to meet you.
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Portios Smith
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.22 18:44:00 -
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Quote: 0.0 PvP being whoever shoots further wins
This is SO DAMN TRUE! It turns out 0.0 PvP is all about snipe and run and people whine about lone sniper pirates.
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Ffaide
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.01.22 19:08:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Taurequis Edited by: Taurequis on 20/01/2007 22:19:42 Hi,
Surely with a flat fee of 50 mil a week to have your enemy wardec'ed the losses that PA take and post are irrelevant to the employer.
All i'd want to see for my 50 mil was an equivalant or more amount of damage or some indication of worth-while disruption to the target in the week period.
I really doubt you could hire any merc corp for 50 mil. It would hardly even cover the ammo costs for a more specific op. So why bother making the comparison.
Taur
A knife and a mining laser are different tools, with different costs. However, both tools can be used to accomplish the same mission, and one will clearly perform better. If you are happy to send 50 million units of hard earned isk off into the void with no assurances, and no expectations, then by all means you are free to spend your credits as frugally or frivolously as you desire.
However, if you have some specific task or goal in mind and desire the assurance that your hard earned money is going to be working, in its entirty, towards your desired political goals then you would be well served to hire a corporation or alliance that has less on its plate. PVTR is, in my opinion, and excellent idea and an ideal vehicle for what it was designed to do; give a broad selection of PVP targets to its members in Empire Space.
And as far as the losses are concerned, it is an entirely relevant statistic. If your agent losses a significantly greater number of ships than your enemy, then all you are doing is paying a 50 million isk share towards increasing your enemies enjoyment of the conflict, boosting his morale and steeling his resolve. Which to me seems an entirely counter productive way to deplete your wallet.
But, its a free cluster (mostly), and you are free to spend your isk in the manner that seems most beneficial to you.
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ffaide
And as far as the losses are concerned, it is an entirely relevant statistic. If your agent losses a significantly greater number of ships than your enemy, then all you are doing is paying a 50 million isk share towards increasing your enemies enjoyment of the conflict, boosting his morale and steeling his resolve. Which to me seems an entirely counter productive way to deplete your wallet. But, its a free cluster (mostly), and you are free to spend your isk in the manner that seems most beneficial to you.
IF -
I'm some cases this might be true, in many more its not. And lining the pockets of the targets PVP pilots will still not benefit the carebear types of the same allaince. I would look on it on a case by case basis.
But yes, our lack of promises and focus is not for every shopper. But getting the Privateer war Dec in the mail can upset alot of people in an alliance.
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Leto Twin
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 20:15:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Sorted But yes, our lack of promises and focus is not for every shopper. But getting the Privateer war Dec in the mail can upset alot of people in an alliance.
As can be seen by our names popping up in forums near you. = ).
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Commander Sten
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Posted - 2007.01.23 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Leto Twin
Originally by: Sorted But yes, our lack of promises and focus is not for every shopper. But getting the Privateer war Dec in the mail can upset alot of people in an alliance.
I'd be upset too if i was wardecced by an alliance of people that dont have the backbone to actually fight.
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Leto Twin
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.23 06:51:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Commander Sten
Originally by: Leto Twin
Originally by: Sorted But yes, our lack of promises and focus is not for every shopper. But getting the Privateer war Dec in the mail can upset alot of people in an alliance.
I'd be upset too if i was wardecced by an alliance of people that dont have the backbone to actually fight.
Trolls live under bridges, not in EVE-O threads.
Check our kbs, to see us not actually fighting before you post about us not fighting. Killing dreads/carriers and soloing kills is not fighting, in your eyes?
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Xeaon
Minmatar Disturbance Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.23 11:37:00 -
[77]
Why so much hate for privateer alliance? ------------
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Eve is not about the old preying on the new, its about the smart preying on the utterly incompetent.
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.23 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Xeaon Why so much hate for privateer alliance?
I'm my opnion and not the allainces its because of: The m0o post stired up some mob mentaility and alot of people jumped on the flame wagon and havent got off it yet. While it wasnt from Privateer officials it seemed to be taken as such. Poor understanding of other hostiles: We have 65 active wars, and while you may be camping one of our pilots flying a Bs' in your Bs' you failed to notice the other 2 camps outside the same station wanting to kill said pilot. Poor understanding of the stlye of the allaince: Why dont you come to 0.0 like real men. - Errrmm Empire PVP? Misconceptions and no research: You only gank haulers in jita seems to be a common post. This leads to "you call your self a pvp corp - your nothing but greifers" with still no further research onto the % of haulers shot over PVP ships. OMG you shot my hauler. Well we did, amoung other ships. and we'll do it again.
And with standard mob mentaility - one flame usualy leads to a few dozen more.
all that on top of the fact that every member has joined Privateers to shoot other people for fun. Empire Pirates/Privateers realy - but that was the idea from the start IFAIK.
Like I said - personal opinions --- but thats why I think we cop so much flak.
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Heisenburg Principle
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Posted - 2007.01.23 15:24:00 -
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I love the constant use of the term "real men fight in 0.0 come to 0.0 and fight." or terms to that effect in reference to the privateers empire wars.
What in the name of all things holy makes you think that the definition of a real man is anything to do with being sat in a house infront of a computer and making such statements.
makes me laugh, it really does :)
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Gelban Fisto
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Posted - 2007.01.24 00:42:00 -
[80]
I like these guys, alot. Sure they may be annoying to alliances and general indy people, but DAMN they are a group after my own heart. Seen them in action and yes, they are effective and mostly organised. Basically they are doing a "I am gonna gank, so why not get paid for it and not loose sec? Screw 0.0! Let's do it!" My corp has been debating on joining them a lot recently, we like the way they operate. Also, I may have a job for you guys.
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ishatar
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Posted - 2007.01.24 11:19:00 -
[81]
Ahh.... sounds great, i want in.
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Cosian
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:09:00 -
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Our experience.....No Skill to low skill gankers hanging out in market systems in gangs of 1-6....annoying but inconsequential. As many corps leaving them on a daily basis as join when they figure out that war decs work both ways. Wannabe pirates at best. Generally fly lower tech cheap ships and focus on ganking haulers. Run to mommy when threatned. Basic tactics and predictable. Pilots would do well NOT to have Privateers on their resume methinks due to the rep they are quickly attaining.
The Shadow Order
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Leto Twin
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cosian Our experience.....No Skill to low skill gankers hanging out in market systems in gangs of 1-6....annoying but inconsequential. As many corps leaving them on a daily basis as join when they figure out that war decs work both ways. Wannabe pirates at best. Generally fly lower tech cheap ships and focus on ganking haulers. Run to mommy when threatned. Basic tactics and predictable. Pilots would do well NOT to have Privateers on their resume methinks due to the rep they are quickly attaining.
We get reps when people post like this towards on the forums. Reading between the lines, some noobs managed to take out some T2 or faction ships. Perhaps a hauler that autopiloted through empire filled with some nice loot...?
Also, yes. I believe my Crow is T1. Also the pilgrim I flew with could just be an Arbitrator with a new paint job and a cloaking device (prototype of course, not the T2 one!). And the Eos was just a Brutix with a pinstripe?
Yarr. = )! Dec us so I can shoot you, and show off my nubiness.
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MrCue
Drones of Annihilation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.26 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: MrCue on 26/01/2007 00:08:28
Originally by: Cosian Our experience.....No Skill to low skill gankers hanging out in market systems in gangs of 1-6....annoying but inconsequential. As many corps leaving them on a daily basis as join when they figure out that war decs work both ways. Wannabe pirates at best. Generally fly lower tech cheap ships and focus on ganking haulers. Run to mommy when threatned. Basic tactics and predictable. Pilots would do well NOT to have Privateers on their resume methinks due to the rep they are quickly attaining.
If i were you, i would shut up about privateers. I have the fraps of your freighter logging off in P3EN-E last night when we jumped in.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.26 10:55:00 -
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I'd like to hire you to go shoot bob in delve.
I'll transfer the isk needed for this: 0 isk
I'll be waiting for a weekly report and if I approve I'll hire you for 1 more week. GL and speed to all involved!
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.26 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: MrCue Edited by: MrCue on 26/01/2007 00:08:28
Originally by: Cosian Our experience.....No Skill to low skill gankers hanging out in market systems in gangs of 1-6....annoying but inconsequential. As many corps leaving them on a daily basis as join when they figure out that war decs work both ways. Wannabe pirates at best. Generally fly lower tech cheap ships and focus on ganking haulers. Run to mommy when threatned. Basic tactics and predictable. Pilots would do well NOT to have Privateers on their resume methinks due to the rep they are quickly attaining.
If i were you, i would shut up about privateers. I have the fraps of your freighter logging off in P3EN-E last night when we jumped in.
Originally by: SPQRMocton
We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.26 22:23:00 -
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must say a pretty smart setup to get alot of targets
i wonder how many afk haulers ya guys get to kill. im always amazed how many people dont pay any attention to whats gooing on in there alliance and then boom, huh what hapend :O
only thingh is with somany wars that ya can be camped down alot, but i asume the people yust go play on there other accounts then
also with so many wars the effect of the war is less, but paying the warcost and nothingh else is pretty cheap anyway
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Aille Pluthrak
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.27 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: zykerx i wonder how many afk haulers ya guys get to kill. im always amazed how many people dont pay any attention to whats gooing on in there alliance and then boom,
I don't hang in the hubs (Jita, Ours, Rens, etc) and can only speak for myself and have only run into two AFK boats the whole time I have been in the Privateers. One Hoarder, and (beleive it or not) a Hyperion. Of course the Hyperion woke up after a minute but he still died. ----------------------- I expect no quarter, and will give none.
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.27 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Aille Pluthrak
Originally by: zykerx i wonder how many afk haulers ya guys get to kill. im always amazed how many people dont pay any attention to whats gooing on in there alliance and then boom,
I don't hang in the hubs (Jita, Ours, Rens, etc) and can only speak for myself and have only run into two AFK boats the whole time I have been in the Privateers. One Hoarder, and (beleive it or not) a Hyperion. Of course the Hyperion woke up after a minute but he still died.
I have had dozens of AFK haulers I lub them. I also had an AFK command ship - that was nice too, although I was cautious about engaging as what the hell kinda pvp pilot would fly a command ship solo, AFK & empire while at war with a substainial empire war Alliance - TBH I thought he was baiting me - but nope... and POP.. I love it
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Neuraxis Aeon
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Posted - 2007.01.29 04:46:00 -
[90]
Just a side joke. I would be funny if a corp anonymously paid you to attack them so they could collect your kills and loot?
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