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Muskiet
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:12:00 -
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Edited by: Muskiet on 16/12/2006 06:29:24
I've noticed that because of the wonderfull contract system and its inability to scan and compare prices throughout the entire Eve universe in one scroll of the window the prices on Hulks have gone up again from somewhere around 450 mil to 500+.
Note that the base price on the Hulk is still only 30 mil!
I understand from a convo with someone that there are only 6 bpo's in Eve that are closely guarded and never copied by individuals who keep in touch with each other and keep the prices up as high as they dare going (sort of like oil companies do).
So with the new re-seeding of tech 2 blueprints is there even a thought going around about giving us more Hulk BPO's?
I understand that CCP won't intervene with this price-gauging because they want the game to let it run its course like in normal life in stead of contantly playing "god" in the game (I wouldn't want that either) but with more and more players coming online I would think that 6 bpo's will eventually be a bit too low of a number.
Of course.... if there would be 6 more coming into the game there's no saying who will control those and if they are more willing to "share" them with the Eve universe.
After all we'd all provit as much as we can if we ever get our hands on one of those :)
My main concern is the fact that everybody I know who wants a Hulk is willing to pay real money for the ISK from farmers and macroers and as somebody who wants to earn every ISK in the game by actually playing it without giving the roid-grazing macroers a reason to live, it hurts!
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:26:00 -
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Ah, but there are price limits in real life. Eve has a true free market system, with no limitations or interference of any sort. It's good for trit, but bad for T2 =(
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Altaree
Gallente
Red Frog Investments
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:27:00 -
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I think I saw hulk BPO's as expected to be given out. Yup, under *** starship engineering's predictable patents:
*****, Hulk Blueprint, ****, Skiff Blueprint, Mackinaw Blueprint, ****
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:30:00 -
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great news! thanx for brightening up my day :)
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:52:00 -
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Don't believe everything you read in game...
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.12.16 06:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Hllaxiu
Don't believe everything you read in game...
Or in other words:
This is not the hope you are looking for.
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Serpensis
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.16 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Ah, but there are price limits in real life. Eve has a true free market system, with no limitations or interference of any sort. It's good for trit, but bad for T2 =(
That was how it was supposed to be, but with the influx of money into the economy thru the selling of GTC, the economy is no longer player driven, at least not just player driven thru in-game trading.
Its like when a banana-republic starts to print more money; its bound to go wrong at some point.
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Posted - 2006.12.16 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Serpensis
That was how it was supposed to be, but with the influx of money into the economy thru the selling of GTC, the economy is no longer player driven, at least not just player driven thru in-game trading.
Its like when a banana-republic starts to print more money; its bound to go wrong at some point.
Well, no. The only thing that can inject more money in the economy are ISK faucets, which CCP controls. GTC do no inject more ISK in the economy.
What GTCs do, however, is redistribute wealth. This, in turn, creates demand. Increasing demand against a stable supply generally implies inflating prices.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.16 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 15:41:28
Originally by: Muskiet
Edited by: Muskiet on 16/12/2006 06:29:24
I've noticed that because of the wonderfull contract system and its inability to scan and compare prices throughout the entire Eve universe in one scroll of the window the prices on Hulks have gone up again from somewhere around 450 mil to 500+.
Note that the base price on the Hulk is still only 30 mil!
Tell me any reason, why the hulk prices should go up on average in all regions, if they are harder to find because of contracts. To me it makes more sense that the price will be cheaper in some regions, because of sellers, who want to get rid of a hulk, but don't want to move it to Jita. Ok, maybe I have the wrong logic. 
edit: my explanation of rising hulk prices: Mineral prices go up, so more people want to mine.
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.16 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Muskiet
I understand from a convo with someone that there are only 6 bpo's in Eve that are closely guarded and never copied by individuals who keep in touch with each other and keep the prices up as high as they dare going (sort of like oil companies do).
Since I know a Xelas corp owns a hulk BPO, and so do we, the amount of communication that we have between our corp and theirs is basically limited to telling them how we'd like to see them die as horribly as possible.
There is no cartel. There is a market going rate, and that's what you're paying.
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Krell Togra
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:22:00 -
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Hey any economists out there... isn't this a prisoner's delima game? I mean if there is collusion going on here, isn't it in the best interest of the parties to cheat on that collusion in order to gain a better part of the market share?
Just curious 
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zaqq
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:26:00 -
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no cartels, my ass
no dev involvement, my ass
nuff said
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Klagan Cornaels
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Posted - 2006.12.16 19:34:00 -
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If you think oil companies are the people setting oil prices, you failed basic economics.
See OPEC and supply/demand
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Deth Jesta
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Posted - 2006.12.16 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: zaqq
no cartels, my ass
no dev involvement, my ass
nuff said
I wouldn't let Backdoor Bandit hear you say that 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.16 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Muskiet
I understand from a convo with someone that there are only 6 bpo's in Eve that are closely guarded and never copied by individuals who keep in touch with each other and keep the prices up as high as they dare going (sort of like oil companies do).
Wrong. There are 20 BPOs, though might be 19 technically as one guy was caught selling ISK who had one.
There is no cartel, just a lot of carebear miners who want hulks and only 20 or so BPOs building them (and building slowly too!)
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Mad Mackem
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.16 20:05:00 -
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Just dont buy them.
In fact do, i like killing them.
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Boksering
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Ah, but there are price limits in real life. Eve has a true free market system, with no limitations or interference of any sort. It's good for trit, but bad for T2 =(
Half truth here.A lot of thing are offered unlimited by NPC corps. Shuttles for instance cost 9000 isk refined they give 2500 trit therefore the real limit for the price for trit would be 9000/2500=3,6 isk/unit.
So yes prices are running their own course but the regular mineral have windows wherein they are bound to lie due to the NPC supply of ships and modules.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Muskiet
I understand from a convo with someone that there are only 6 bpo's in Eve that are closely guarded and never copied by individuals who keep in touch with each other and keep the prices up as high as they dare going (sort of like oil companies do).
Wrong. There are 20 BPOs, though might be 19 technically as one guy was caught selling ISK who had one.
I'd hope they'd reseed in that cause.
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Hehulk
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Lae
Originally by: Muskiet
I understand from a convo with someone that there are only 6 bpo's in Eve that are closely guarded and never copied by individuals who keep in touch with each other and keep the prices up as high as they dare going (sort of like oil companies do).
Since I know a Xelas corp owns a hulk BPO, and so do we, the amount of communication that we have between our corp and theirs is basically limited to telling them how we'd like to see them die as horribly as possible.
There is no cartel. There is a market going rate, and that's what you're paying.
There's also a guy in LV who owns one of the prints, and he sells em to corp mates for a hefty discount off market price. So there's 3 of the 6 right there
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Torshin
TARDZ
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:25:00 -
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we have a hulk bpo and no communication with other hulk owners, the reason we keep the prices up is because peoeple buy them at that price. Why sell at 30 mil when people buy at 500 mil?
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin
we have a hulk bpo and no communication with other hulk owners, the reason we keep the prices up is because peoeple buy them at that price. Why sell at 30 mil when people buy at 500 mil?
It's part of supply and demand.
If people will continue to buy at high prices, then the seller sees no reason to drop the prices. It's unfortunate, but it is the way it is. If the prices are too high and people stop buying, then the demand drops and the price will drop to compensate until it reaches a point at which sales are picking back up again.
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:13:00 -
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Limited number of BPOs = NOT free market - CCP are already interfering in the market by not seeding the BPOs (no, invention is NOT the answer)
Limited/controlled supply/production of T2 materials = more realistic free market
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Matori Kar
Limited number of BPOs = NOT free market
You do realize that there is no such thing as a "free market" under this definition, correct?
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Matori Kar
Limited number of BPOs = NOT free market
You do realize that there is no such thing as a "free market" under this definition, correct?
I was getting annoyed that everyone keeps harping on about the amazing free market system in EVE, it doesnt exist with T2....thats all 
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Zafon
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:23:00 -
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WTS economics lessons.
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Eliza Hacklehaber
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Posted - 2006.12.17 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Eliza Hacklehaber on 17/12/2006 03:10:23
gah, damn forums
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.17 03:11:00 -
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470mil in Carirgnottin. I put 5 up every 4 days direct to market. If you want to reserve one, drop me a mail.
and no, I don't talk to other bpo owners about fixing a price, anyone that does attempt it with me can expect to be ignored.
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