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CCP karkur C C P C C P Alliance 3897	Posted - 2015.09.11 18:18:59 - [1] - Quote Hi all, Today we are opening up testing for the new multibuy feature. We have not yet committed to a release for it, but we want to start public testing on it now and see how that goes before deciding when it will be released. It's been a commonly requested feature by players and devs alike so we are pretty excited to be introducing it... now reshipping after losing a ship will be so much easier. :D The target user group is the crowd that wants to buy their stuff "here and now", even though that can come at a slightly higher price. Those who like to play the market game and focus on margins will probably in most cases want to have a full context for the orders of each item, so we decided to focus the user experience on the immediate buyers and keep things simple. Therefore, multibuy will only offer immediate buys in a station in your current solar system. Convenience comes at a price, so with multibuy, the unit price you pay for each item type will be the price at which you can buy the quantity you requested. Similar to the multisell window, each item type in the multibuy window shows how the unit price compares to the average price, and a tooltip will show the best price in the station, solar system as well as region. If the price is not to your liking you can always remove those items from the buy order and buy them order by order from the market window. You will still be able to set up single non-immediate orders, just like before. The multibuy window can be opened when right clicking two or more items in your hangar ("Buy all..."), from fittings ("Buy fit..." button), right clicking a folder in the Market Quickbar ("Buy all...") or by opening the multibuy window from a button in the Market window and dragging stuff into it. So, please test it out let us know what you think! In the process of making this feature, we had to make some changes to the multisell window, so it would also be appreciated if you tested that out too. Please file bugreports on any issues you find (you can also mention them here, but not instead of bugreporting them). Known issue: - icons for green&red arrows to indicate whether the price is above or below regional average are missing from this build CCP karkur \| Programmer \| Team Game of Drones \| @CCP_karkur

Mamoru Usobusuke Sentinel Event 404 Alliance Not Found 3	Posted - 2015.09.11 18:54:28 - [2] - Quote Thank You :)
Kopaka Newton We're Happy In Wormhole Space 5	Posted - 2015.09.11 19:02:04 - [3] - Quote For someone who does spectre fleet staging from trade hubs, this is great. <3 It's almost better than multisell. Tested it and it works great.
Griznatch Xicron Syndicate The Patriarchy. 297	Posted - 2015.09.11 20:23:35 - [4] - Quote Multibuy is the best thing ever, however I have noticed something. If I use the "buy fit" button in my fitting management window or on a linked fitting, all I buy is the modules and charges, but no hull. If i drag the fitting to my market quickbar, and use "right click->buy all" it does include the hull. I can see the need to buy just the fittings for hulls you already own, but I'd like to be able to click a linked fit and buy the whole thing without the extra step of making a quickbar entry. Could we perhaps have a popup asking "hull as well?" or something to that effect? I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
JP Otsada State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.11 20:48:51 - [5] - Quote I haven't tried this yet (will when I get home), but can I make a request whilst you are working in this area of the codebase: please can any buys / sells which fail in the multi-buy/sell window automagically spawn a new buy/sell window? I.e. if I have 10x Damage Control I to sell, and I chose sell immediately, and either the top buy order is only for 2 items, or it actually fails (someone already used up the order before I clicked sell, or margin trading caused it to fail), couldn't it spawn a new multi-sell window with the 8 or 10 units respectively already entered? I need to test the multi-buy window for to see how it works (so sorry if this is not appropriate, or already implemented), but in the inverse situation (I want to buy 10 units, and only 2 are available at the current best price), it buys those 2 and spawns a new window for the remaining 8 at the next best price)? This would make selling (or buying) multiple items much faster as you don't need to find the items in your inventory again to re-add them to the multi-buy/sell window.

CCP karkur C C P C C P Alliance 3902	Posted - 2015.09.11 21:30:08 - [6] - Quote JP Otsada wrote: I haven't tried this yet (will when I get home), but can I make a request whilst you are working in this area of the codebase: please can any buys / sells which fail in the multi-buy/sell window automagically spawn a new buy/sell window? [stuff] I need to test the multi-buy window for to see how it works (so sorry if this is not appropriate, or already implemented), but in the inverse situation (I want to buy 10 units, and only 2 are available at the current best price), it buys those 2 and spawns a new window for the remaining 8 at the next best price). That's what we did with multibuy (didn't change multisell) CCP karkur \| Programmer \| Team Game of Drones \| @CCP_karkur

SpaceSaft Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club 158	Posted - 2015.09.11 22:05:57 - [7] - Quote Can you add a button in the industry window as well please?
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 546	Posted - 2015.09.11 22:14:01 - [8] - Quote SpaceSaft wrote: Can you add a button in the industry window as well please? this ^, altough producers would prefer automatic creation of buy orders Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?

CCP karkur C C P C C P Alliance 3902	Posted - 2015.09.11 23:33:35 - [9] - Quote SpaceSaft wrote: Can you add a button in the industry window as well please? Yeah, good point... I remember talking about it at some point but I guess we then forgot... thanks! CCP karkur \| Programmer \| Team Game of Drones \| @CCP_karkur

Oktura Ostus Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2015.09.11 23:43:07 - [10] - Quote Amazing! Also could you please add button "Buy all" into the window, when I try to fit, but some modules or ammo are missing: http://i.imgur.com/5SYGFBd.png


CCP karkur C C P C C P Alliance 3902	Posted - 2015.09.11 23:52:21 - [11] - Quote Oktura Ostus wrote: Amazing! Also could you please add button "Buy all" into the window, when I try to fit, but some modules or ammo are missing: http://i.imgur.com/5SYGFBd.png Good suggestion! I'll look into what we can do (probably not for the initial release though) CCP karkur \| Programmer \| Team Game of Drones \| @CCP_karkur

ham Norris Calibrated Chaos Habitual Chaos 0	Posted - 2015.09.12 01:37:09 - [12] - Quote This is going to be so useful for anyone buying Doctrine ships, But it dose not buy the Ships just the modules. Unless I missed somthing
Riela Tanal Repercussus Goonswarm Federation 63	Posted - 2015.09.12 01:40:32 - [13] - Quote If you set your market price filter to 0.00 - 100.00 as an example to only show the seeded items on singularity, when you buy the fit it ignores your market filters, while the 100 isk price is only for singularity, some people will want to set their filter to avoid the scam market orders.
Genghis Tron Boom Squad 21	Posted - 2015.09.12 01:42:53 - [14] - Quote Awesome sauce! BOOM SHAKALAKA
Globby Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling CODE. 231	Posted - 2015.09.12 03:20:11 - [15] - Quote Genghis Tron wrote: Awesome sauce!
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 132	Posted - 2015.09.12 06:47:03 - [16] - Quote next step mass fit several ship at once Other than this very good feature, some of my member look forward on this. Hopeful there will be one for industry job as well.
Dustpuppy New Eden Ferengi 141	Posted - 2015.09.12 09:20:39 - [17] - Quote Because other have posted ideas as well: Would it be possible to add a button "add all current orders to market quickbar"? It's unbelievable annoying to have 100-200 orders and you have to search for the one which is missing in the short cut list of the quickbar. Dust
probag Bear Xiong Offices 85	Posted - 2015.09.12 14:35:44 - [18] - Quote Thank you so much Karkur, you have no idea how much this is going to help with manufacturing! Currently, buying materials in Jita literally takes longer than installing manufacturing jobs across 24 characters. Even after trying to streamline the process with IGB functions, the lack of a multi-buy features is still one of the most significant time-bottlenecks. This should cut down my total time investment by ~30% :D. Time to lower personal profit margins again! Cheaper stuff for everyone (by ~0.25mil)!
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition. 1807	Posted - 2015.09.12 14:57:20 - [19] - Quote i handle jita - deployment logistics for my corp you have no idea how much you have improved my life.
Karer II Legion of xXDEATHXx Support Legion of xXDEATHXx 485	Posted - 2015.09.12 19:12:58 - [20] - Quote "Buy fit..." button issues: only items was buyed. Not hull. I think hull must be in list too. as hull is not purchased ship can't be fitted automatically. Autofit after buy will be great thing! Just one button and you have cool new ship ready to undock. If it can be done then pay attention, pls, on name of new ship. Name from "Fitting manager" plus some index will be cool feature. "Buy items" window issues: after pressing of "Buy" button window stay opened. Not sure that it is best behaviour. no any sorts in list. Simple way - alphabetical sort. But will be perfect, imho, make groups in list - high slot, medium, low, charges and etc. window does not care that some of the modules are already in the hangar. Smart behaviour will be very useful in case if I just want to fit new ship.

Ydnari Estrale Frontiers 407	Posted - 2015.09.12 22:11:06 - [21] - Quote Could we have a way to start multi buy from clipboard? Like a simple quantity / tab / type format? my teapot is ready
Gilana Fenworth Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.09.13 10:16:11 - [22] - Quote This is an AWESOME feature!! Thank you! Quick question: When selecting items to drag from the market window, would it be possible to implement the ability to highlight / select multiple items at once? i.e. I'm selecting standard heavy missile ammo, I hold down the ctrl key and select all 4 and drag them over to the multi buy window vs. 1 at a time? Or perhaps I hold down the shift key to select all 4 to drag over?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11775	Posted - 2015.09.13 11:06:19 - [23] - Quote this sounds Very very cool, thanks. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition. 1807	Posted - 2015.09.13 20:59:44 - [24] - Quote Ydnari wrote: Could we have a way to start multi buy from clipboard? Like a simple quantity / tab / type format?
Ronce Kikutech Kleinrock Group 6	Posted - 2015.09.14 00:02:24 - [25] - Quote CCP karkur wrote: will show the best price in the station, solar system as well as region Soo, last i looked, the "best price" listed by the market screen...usually isn't even close. Sometimes that listing is 500% higher than the actual best price. As it appears there are some people who have figured out what the exact formula is that your system uses to pick which order is the "best price", and manage to sell items at stupid profits, if you institute this using that same not-right formula, it would cause some headache, and also rejoicing from the few that have figured out how to have sell orders up for 5x market value, yet still be listed as the "best price in region" by the market screen. CCP, don't believe me...try it out, browse the market for things, note the "best price" value, then click "show details" and note how those values are not the same.
Edward Olmops DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax 313	Posted - 2015.09.16 13:44:41 - [26] - Quote Awesome! I waited for this quite long. One of the features that both PvPers and industrialists will be VERY happy about. :-)
Elise Hridmar Tech III Bone Cancer 0	Posted - 2015.09.18 19:44:28 - [27] - Quote the multibuy window is wonderful to use. if this is an appropriate place to give some suggestions for it then here are some: 1. it would be awesome to give the ability to drag in saved fits to the window to add in all the items from it. 2. fits from a kill/loss mail as well to be dragged in and have items added in. 3. saved fits that are in the market "quickbar" when they're put into the folder there also have items added by dragging them into the window. pretty much just add functionality to drag fits into it is what i'm saying. that's the one thing i can find right now that would be useful, otherwise it's pretty good so far. if this isn't an appropriate place to put this suggestion i'll move it to wherever is.
J0n Br0wn Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 12	Posted - 2015.09.19 03:22:22 - [28] - Quote as a market trader it is a really nice feature... smooth to use and easy to find... kinda intuitive. for a guy who does a lot of this... I think it is a real winner!! ... but can you get the columns to auto adjust so that the items don't ALWAYS get cut off? Be nice if you would do the same thing to the multi- sell columns as well. J0n Br0wn
DoToo Foo Setenta Corp AL3XAND3R. 52	Posted - 2015.09.19 06:49:28 - [29] - Quote I also like the multi fits but many will find the layout confusing. Suggestion : prefill buy order volume but do not otherwise multiply them. That is If I increase the Number of orders, I increase or decrease the number of units ordered, possibly showing underneath the total required fit So... I go looking for an oracle loss zkillboard.com/kill/49131350/# Screenshot of multibuy www.dropbox.com/s/vqfy200yvl7rfrh/Screenshot%202015-09-19%2016.13.33.png?dl=0 Assume I think I want to buy 5 of these fit, and I have in my hanger 10 mega pulse laser II, so only want to buy 30 rather than the 40 shown. No way to do this with the current multi buy screen. I would need work out that I only should buy 3 fits of lasers, then come back and buy 6 more individually. Instead an alternative layout might be. As the user increases the number of orders, increase both the number to be purchased and number required for fit. As the user decreases the number of orders, decrease both the Number to be purchased (to a minimum of zero) and number required for fit. ............................................................................................................... buy count item ................... Number to be purchased ...............unit value ...............total value ...............................(Number required for fit ) eg from the fit above (prices from singularity) Medium Hyperspataial velocity optimiser ..... 5 .......................100 ................ 500 ..................................................................... (5) . . . Heat Sink II .................................................15..........................100 ..............1500 .....................................................................(15) . . . Mega pulse Laser II ...................................40 ..........................100...............4000 ....................................................................(40) Now, the user overwrites the number to be purchased to 30 so that pair of lines becomes Mega pulse Laser II ...................................30 ..........................100...............3000 ....................................................................(40) Finally the user realises they would spent too much, and really only needs 3 fits after all. Reducing the fits from 5 to 3 reduces mega pulse laser II : number to be purchased and number required for fit by 16 Mega pulse Laser II ...................................14 ..........................100...............3000 ....................................................................(24) Of course some boundary validation is needed in case the user then decides to reduce the number of orders significantly. In keeping with the apparent defaults of the multi buy screen, reducing it to 1 may be suitable. Alternatively, just overwrite the number to be purchased every time the number of orders change (with or without warning). And I also endorse adding hulls onto the multi buy from a fitting screen.
Jimy F Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.09.19 10:08:18 - [30] - Quote congrats for idea :) and big thanks for it :) & three small thingys it is possible to add option to add all item from market quickbar folder and all folders that are inside this folder to multibuy window, by drag folder from market quickbar to multibuy window? :) it is possible to add option to right click at folder inside market quickbar and get option "buy all" wich open multibuy window and add all items from this folder and folders inside? when you right click at folder inside market quickbar normaly you get "delete folder" option and couple more option, this menu is currently missing at sisi once more big thanks :)

Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 275	Posted - 2015.09.20 17:45:49 - [31] - Quote It's great that you're working on this, when this is finished it will be a great quality of life upgrade. Things that worked better than expected: I was going to say that buying from quickbar folders is not very useful because of the lack of quantities, but apparently you have an undocumented feature that already precisely matches how I store fits in the quickbar!? Setting "additional text" (a notes field) on the quickbar item to a quantity works. Good job, but why didn't you mention it? Fulfilling from multiple sell orders works as expected (taking the highest price of the N lowest sell orders which cumulatively fulfil your order), good job! No bugs with buying multiples of a fit or quickbar folder and the display showing the total separately from the unit order size is perfect. Quibbles and suggestions: Pressing enter on the regional average price warning defaults to not buying rather than buying, I think most people would prefer this reversed. Industry materials please. Optionally subtract items already on the hangar floor (or better, a user specified location) from the final order please. Clipboard support please. I don't think anyone cares what the format is, we're willing to write our tools to fit your format. I know this is going against the intent of the feature a little buuuuuuuuuuuuut.... is there really any reason people shouldn't have this same convenience for making multiple buy orders? Here's my use scenario: I have a stockpile of fittings in Jita which I distribute to stations where the fits are assembled. I have a script which does an API pull to give me shopping lists of what to move to assembly stations and what I need to restock on. Some items I restock from sell orders, others are items that nobody really makes sell orders for, they're just routinely dumped to buy orders. I would like to be able to make my buy orders without all the tedious clicking in addition to buying from sell orders without the tedious clicking.
vampire Huunuras ISW Space Guild Phoebe Freeport Republic 11	Posted - 2015.09.21 14:42:21 - [32] - Quote It has been mentioned before but I would love a multi buy from clipboard. Especially as I run a unofficial app for my alliance to buy and build out of game contracts for pilots. It would be amazing just to have them copy the order to their clipboard and buy from that. Just a simple text import that the system would read, like fits but would only need to be a [ItemName] , [Quantity] instead of everything a fit needs in the EFT format. o7 Vamps [DEQC] Become content http://i.imgur.com/IfcOCoj.jpg
Katja Andrard WorldTradersGuild.Com 4	Posted - 2015.09.22 11:42:15 - [33] - Quote Well, some of what I write was already written in a way but I think that "voting" issues give a perspective so I will say all that I found. Multibuy per se works fine besides some issues on the control you have over the setup. But I guess this is by design. On using it with the fit manager, it is pretty much amazing. Buying works fine, the fit manager which drops the ball in the sense that it doesnt save the scripts loaded to modules so the multibuy do not buy them. Since charges are saved, I guess scripts could be too.
Grorious Reader Mongorian Horde 33	Posted - 2015.09.22 14:58:24 - [34] - Quote Is it possible to extend the range of multi-buy to X number of jumps and then have it automatically set waypoints to the stations where items were bought? Or maybe just create a new note with a list of links to the stations where items were bought and what was bought at those stations; sort of like a receipt. It looks like currently it will only work for one station in system at a time.
Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 275	Posted - 2015.09.22 16:49:08 - [35] - Quote Katja Andrard wrote: On using it with the fit manager, it is pretty much amazing. Buying works fine, the fit manager which drops the ball in the sense that it doesnt save the scripts loaded to modules so the multibuy do not buy them. Since charges are saved, I guess scripts could be too. Actually the way that it works is it only saves charges which are in your cargo, this DOES include scripts. Anything loaded into modules, be it ammo or scripts, is not saved. If you want to save a fit, remove all charges from your modules first.
Reddish Garemoko Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.09.23 18:21:26 - [36] - Quote I just tried out the multi-buy, I lingered over it too long and everyone seems to have left. But anyway I really like this tool. Did you already modify it? Contrary to expectations the hull was included in the purchase. My fit included some items not available for purchase; officer modules. I did not see a way to add or modify the shopping list within the multi-buy tool. It might be nice to modify the list and have it save in the fitting tool. That's my only tiny suggestion for an otherwise beautiful tool. Thank you for thinking of this!
Aedrya Windsong Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.09.24 06:08:16 - [37] - Quote Suggestion: Add checkboxes to the fit so you can exclude modules you already have a ton of. Change the button text to "Buy Selected"
Ransu Asanari AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 360	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:08:33 - [38] - Quote Came by to give some feedback. Tested this out by importing a fitting, then buying multiple copies of that fit. Works well. Great feature. Nothing more to say :)
leeloodallas Multisell State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.24 17:42:18 - [39] - Quote I approve of this product and/or service.
Reddish Garemoko Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.09.26 02:48:16 - [40] - Quote At first blush, Multi-buy seems to favor aggressors and the unprepared: those who run out of resources during an action far from home... but if you are the player who is an industrial target, a miner or manufacturer, Multi-buy compensates you locally, since the casualties will be paying into your system market for the re-fit. So I guess Multi-buy benefits and irritates both sides.

Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1381	Posted - 2015.09.30 13:18:34 - [41] - Quote I was testing some fits and burner missions on sisi when I realized I needed a bunch of ship fits. So used the multibuy functionality to get everything I needed for my fits in one go of 100. It worked perfectly. Kudos. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Ydnari Estrale Frontiers 411	Posted - 2015.09.30 20:53:37 - [42] - Quote If I right click on a quickbar folder I no longer get a context menu, so I can't delete or modify any folders. my teapot is ready

CCP Turtlepower C C P C C P Alliance 253	Posted - 2015.10.01 09:05:22 - [43] - Quote Ydnari wrote: If I right click on a quickbar folder I no longer get a context menu, so I can't delete or modify any folders. Could you please file a bug report from in-game (F12) right after right clicking the quickbar? Thanks!

Ydnari Estrale Frontiers 411	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:23:34 - [44] - Quote CCP Turtlepower wrote: Ydnari wrote: If I right click on a quickbar folder I no longer get a context menu, so I can't delete or modify any folders. Could you please file a bug report from in-game (F12) right after right clicking the quickbar? Thanks! Done, EBR-49684 my teapot is ready
Destiny Dain2 Your Destiny Corporation 20	Posted - 2015.10.02 18:02:53 - [45] - Quote I have really been injoying the Multibuy. * In Industry window I can right click the circles next to the materials and buy them all * I can copy a list of items from my quickbar into the multibuy. * I can even buy the all the materials I need from BPC/PBO Info window. This is making life so much easier. Thanks CCP for all you do, to improve our Eve experience.
Ydnari Estrale Frontiers 413	Posted - 2015.10.08 18:12:33 - [46] - Quote Ydnari wrote: CCP Turtlepower wrote: Ydnari wrote: If I right click on a quickbar folder I no longer get a context menu, so I can't delete or modify any folders. Could you please file a bug report from in-game (F12) right after right clicking the quickbar? Thanks! Done, EBR-49684 ...and it's fixed in this latest patch, works fine now. --


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