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Martin Mckenna
Caldari Navy Raiders
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:14:00 -
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CCP can you please dedicate more hamsters to jita.
the server just cant handle it anymore Linkage
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:21:00 -
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why cant you stay out of jita
ccp should really blow the system up :)
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
-nerf Missles-
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Martin Mckenna
Caldari Navy Raiders
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Gonada
why cant you stay out of jita
ccp should really blow the system up :)
yes they should....i cant even log in....and i was online here getting some stuff then right back out to 0.0
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
why cant you stay out of jita
Because of the hub syndrome CCP have made. "Don't buy half the stuff in the game or spend 2 hours traveling to another hub which might also might not work" isn't really viable.
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hangnoose
Caldari
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna
CCP can you please dedicate more hamsters to jita.
the server just cant handle it anymore Linkage
Read the news posts maybe?
Quote:
Also, we are in the initial stages of moving Jita to its own node and should have this process completed on Monday.
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Rimac
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Gonada
why cant you stay out of jita
Because of the hub syndrome CCP have made. "Don't buy half the stuff in the game or spend 2 hours traveling to another hub which might also might not work" isn't really viable.
That's not CCP's fault, it's human behaviour. Even if they did blow up Jita, there would be another similar hub within a few weeks.
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Martin Mckenna
Caldari Navy Raiders
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: hangnoose
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Also, we are in the initial stages of moving Jita to its own node and should have this process completed on Monday.
OMG!
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Wiggy69
5punkorp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
why cant you stay out of jita
ccp should really blow the system up :)
I UTTERLY DEMAND we get this as the 2006 Xmas present. 
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Martin Mckenna
Caldari Navy Raiders
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:34:00 -
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30 Min later and its now stoped saying im entering game as Martin Mckenna
Im now entering Jita4 - M4!!!!!!
WOOHOO!!
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.17 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rimac
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Gonada
why cant you stay out of jita
Because of the hub syndrome CCP have made. "Don't buy half the stuff in the game or spend 2 hours traveling to another hub which might also might not work" isn't really viable.
That's not CCP's fault, it's human behaviour. Even if they did blow up Jita, there would be another similar hub within a few weeks.
Incorrect. CCP's changes to trade and movement flows of the game have created Jita. If you blew up Jita with no change to them, you'd get another Jita, yes. People DO naturally cluster, but the market divisions should create one hub per busy Empire region ("visibility" range). That most do not...is indicative of how bad the hub issue really is.
Also, we were told Jita was on its own node...oh...a year back.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:14:00 -
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Jita is a self-propagating problem though. New players hear "oh sell it in Jita" and "try Jita" and start going there when they want to sell relatively low volume items.
If you wanted to "fix" Jita then at least part of the problem would be solved if we had the ability like we do with contracts to remotely check a region's markets since then people would be very inclined to shop around rather then try Jita as the first stop.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:15:00 -
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No, not really - it's a complex, slow waste of time.
That might stop maybe 1% of the visitors.
//Maya |
Gareth Angel
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:16:00 -
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I can make a pretty decent living in Eve without visiting Jita.
You should try and do the same.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:20:00 -
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So either you visit another hub or you're a producer. *shrugs*
//Maya |
Sonos SAGD
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:21:00 -
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ive only gone to jita twice on purpose if i remember right
i really dont see what is so great about it.
i think the reason why its so popular is lack of belt rats.
if every belt in eve has rats in it it would help a little, even if it was the noob rats you fight in the tutorial plex
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Gareth Angel
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:29:00 -
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I think main reason why it's popular is because it is actually the 'center of the universe'.
I was told that even on the Chinese server, Jita turned in to the biggest trade-hub.
If people would venture out more, Jita would become less crowded - you would have to make more jumps though if you want to get your stuff.
I don't think people are willing to do that. Even prices in Jita are higher, because producers know people will buy their stuff there anyway.
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The Hand
Amarr
Imperial Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:55:00 -
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Best way to sort the jita problem out would be to seperate all four empires with a small band of .4 and .3 systems so that you would need to run the risk of piwats going from say domain to the forge.
I think you would find that this would create smaller hubs in each empire, but i doubt ccp would be that bold.
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Lady Loom
Red Mercury Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.17 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gareth Angel
Even prices in Jita are higher, because producers know people will buy their stuff there anyway.
not true - most prices in Jita are on par or cheaper than other regions, just BECAUSE so many people are selling their stuff there (obviously I'm not referring to the broken T2 market), not to mention some items aren't even sold (in quantities) elsewhere - of course that's kind of a catch-22
Still, if I have to sell a single item, I can do it in a remote location and get 20-50% more, if I wanna sell 100 of said item I do it in Jita because there is a much higher chance for these items to sell in reasonable time. Try to sell something in Jita for higher prices "because people will buy the stuff anyway" and you'll have a ton of stuff sitting there for days and weeks while someone else listed the same item for a few ISK lower. Sure you can also beat his price then - until you're at the point where you don't turn a profit anymore
[[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]] |
Lady Loom
Red Mercury Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: The Hand
Best way to sort the jita problem out would be to seperate all four empires with a small band of .4 and .3 systems so that you would need to run the risk of piwats going from say domain to the forge.
I think you would find that this would create smaller hubs in each empire, but i doubt ccp would be that bold.
for good reason - this would only segregate the player base and especially affects new players and prevents them from playing with buddies unless they all chose the same race. These systems would be camped by pirates just because they know people HAVE to go through there... But it won't help with the Jita problem, all you achieved is that every trade alt is gonna be Caldari, Caldari newbies will have an advantage and generally, new players are ****ed because they lose their Tormentor and Navitas and whatnot while trying to visit another race.
I don't think so...
[[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]] |
Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:03:00 -
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There's several reasons why Jita is the hub these days:
1) Caldari have the coolest race description and the coolest looking avatars.
2) Caldari pilots have the best starting attribute option by miles. Lots of miles; nothing comes close really.
1+2 together means lots of Caldari starters and as such naturally lots of Caldari's in that space and Jita happens to be the big intersection there with it having 7 stargates and all.
3) Caldari space is the best developed one with the best cosmos constellation, the most agents, the easiest rats and the most R&D agents.
4) Gurista's are super-duper easy to kill and to top it off the drop the perfect loot to make it even easier! (missile stuff)
3+4 together makes it that non-Caldari flock to Caldari space to reap those benefits.
5) Markets are still regional.
6) Escrow is now regional too
Just add the 6 items above and you have your Jita problem right there. Tbh, sure, you can do without Jita fairly easy. That is, as long as you don't need a bunch of named modules, lots of different tech II modules or can't be arsed to fly a 10-jump roundtrip to fit a ship.
I personally hate wasting time to buy a ship and fittings all over the place so instead just end up afking an alt to Jita to fetch me stuff.
To top it off we also have item #7:
7) CCP killed all the old trade hubs (Oursulaert, Rens and Yulai mostly) by making the routes between the empires super-long, forcing people to stick to one empire instead of shopping around to suit their needs. A year and a half ago you could save (or make) a lot of money by doing a few trips between for example Luminaire and Lustrevik or Teonusude; now today - who ever gets there anymore? These systems had some quality markets going on and now all they have is a few stray tech 1 items and some basic ships.
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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Iavia
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:12:00 -
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Oursalert is still hopping, I must courier 300 - 700 mil worth of implants and what not there every day.
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DefJam101
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna
CCP can you please dedicate more hamsters to jita.
the server just cant handle it anymore Linkage
Stop the hamster abuse! Use lawn gnomes CCP!!
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:14:00 -
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For race specific items, Rens, Amarr/Sarum Prime and Oursulaert have competitive pricing.
For other items, prices are "decent" and worth not going to that ganksters paradise of a shopping hub that Jita is.
There's a few places that are in a good location to get to Oursulaert, Rens or Amarr fairly quickly, you just have to have the gumption to venture into low sec to get there. ;)
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Kostantin Mort
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:29:00 -
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I do most of my shopping around Amarr and usually find there everything I need. The three main areas are Amarr itself, which usually has quite a lot of sellers and it's usually easy to find a t2 piece of equipment. Otherwise, there's always Sarum Prime or Tash Murkon Prime. I've only been to Jita once, to get a named TD. That's once in 2 years of playing :P
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Dei Gloria
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Elvarien
Caldari
The Night's Watch
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.17 02:43:00 -
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jita issue is simple ..
1 - its the center of the universe
2 - MANY roads lead to it wich makes the autopilot love it like a mad man
3 - now without evewide escrow contracts are region bound wich means .. yes hubs .. so naturaly escrow now also focuses on jita.
4 - word of mouth advertisement the larger the hub the larger the draw of trade
5 - new playes start there .... they start .. at .. jita
6 - lots of stations = lots of mission agents = lots of mission runners etc etc
combine all that and voila .. jita.
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A Haiku with <3
Logged into Jita.
System is empty, I cry.
Tis a dream come true. Some day.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.12.18 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Elvarien
jita issue is simple ..
1 - its the center of the universe
2 - MANY roads lead to it wich makes the autopilot love it like a mad man
combine all that and voila .. jita.
These issues need fixing.
If memory serves me correctly, Jita contains EIGHT gates, some of which lead to mini-hubs such as New Caldari and Niyabainen, which are themselves interconnected. The autopilot funnels people through Jita, especially anyone trying to get to The North from The South. Jita's popularity as a trade hub is a byproduct of this, as anyone wishing to sell goods will place them at the crossroads of as many routes as possible to maximise accessibility.
We see nothing like this with the other hub systems. Rens is not an essential jump for most people, nor is Amarr. Oursulaert is a lot better than it once was with the removal of a gate a while back, and the movement of the storyline agent Zalloronde Algogille to another system.
So we have a bit of an anomaly. We either need additional bypass jumps, and/or the removal of a couple of jumps to break up the junction. And really, there should be more than one way of getting from A to B.
In the meantime, I hope it becomes a victim of its own success, as I know how much people hate travelling there to do their shopping. I sell my stuff close to Amarr and hope the buyers find it as convenient as I do.
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2006.12.18 01:02:00 -
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Why not just a new autopilot setting:
Safer
More Secure
Less Secure
Avoid Lagita
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CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Red Storm Vendetta
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Posted - 2006.12.18 01:14:00 -
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Im so lag my sec status stops me from even considering it.
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Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
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Posted - 2006.12.18 01:36:00 -
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How about buying stuff in jita and then using courier to get your stuff without moving to jita yourself. Could take a while but its not your problem anymore. ;-)
Having said that, the current game mechanics support one giant hub. Even the last replacement of escrow with the wannabe-better contracts system supported the marketing blob in jita.
And yes, it is the fault of CCP. As the game developer its their job to expect it. And its not that unexpected, jita always was the biggest trade hub in the year i'm playing now. And with the increasing player base jita is bound to grow equally.
The Jita-Problem didn't just show up out of nothing a week ago. It was a continual development and CCP failed to address it correctly - thats my opinion and its based on the latest global-announcement to avoid jita at all costs. 
We will see how they will correct it. My only hope is that they won't go and try some way of forcing players out of Jita with changed game mechanisms especially for Jita.
Regards,
Fliewatuet
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Karl Chroimcer
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.18 01:38:00 -
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This has been discussed so many times I've lost count.
The Mod from Down Under
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