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Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.12.17 04:53:00 - [1] I think that modules got a skill req problem what is that problem? it need a level 5 rank 3 skill over the tech 1, it's only a 6% boost and for most people it doesn't worth losing 15-20 days of training check the stock in every region on market and you will see what I mean
Neciis Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2006.12.17 05:20:00 - [2] If it's ONLY 6%, don't train up for it.
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.17 05:52:00 - [3] lol. its easily worth it, but maybe a bit later on the skill path for some newbies.
2SecondsTilMidnight	Posted - 2006.12.17 06:04:00 - [4] At least its not a rank 5/6 skill. I personally don't regret spending those 15 days on shield management 5(i've spent my training time on far worse before)
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.17 06:09:00 - [5] if you are shield tanking, you should be looking at tarining it to 5 anyway, along with the skill that ups your regen by 5% per level.
Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org	Posted - 2006.12.17 08:38:00 - [6] Considering the fact that when mounting 2 Invulnerability Field II's, the second module is effectively a 34.77% amplification to boost, I'd call the training time to shield management 5 well worth the time. It was already a must have for any dedicated shield tanker, so it's not like the 5 days I burned training Survey 5 for Kali's release J.A.F.O.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 09:08:00 - [7] You can always buy faction one ... -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Giant Haystacks Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.17 09:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Fredou I think that modules got a skill req problem what is that problem? it need a level 5 rank 3 skill over the tech 1, it's only a 6% boost and for most people it doesn't worth losing 15-20 days of training check the stock in every region on market and you will see what I mean Its a 20% boost, the same as most t2 stuff. 30 * 1.06 = 31.8 30 * 1.2 = 36
Caletha	Posted - 2006.12.17 11:01:00 - [9] I dislike that level 5 is needed though, but thats just me. I think most modules need level 4 of the appropriate skill to work. Oh well, its on the list after Advanced Weapons Upgrade level 3 (need to get weapons upgrade level 5 first ).
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:51:00 - [10] tell me if i'm wrong but if you compare all the shield & armor stuff (without capital one) shield boost amplifier II is the one that need the most training time to be used
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:57:00 - [11] Training to lv5 is usefull. Does it should require lv5 to use SBOII? NOOOO!!!!!!!! Lv4 sounds balanced.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:23:00 - [12] yeah. In the meantime make it so all t2 weapon skills only require level 4 prereqs. Might as well make it so t2 ships only require level 4 in their respective prereqs too. You want the sexy t2, be prepared to train for it.
Baji Core ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro yeah. In the meantime make it so all t2 weapon skills only require level 4 prereqs. Might as well make it so t2 ships only require level 4 in their respective prereqs too. You want the sexy t2, be prepared to train for it. I agree with that for t2 weapons and ships, but for a support module, the SBA II is simply out of line with the others - t2 damage mods or t2 shield hardners for instance. In any case it's certainly worth the training. Just inconsistent.
MellaRinn Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:21:00 - [14] TBH, more lv5s should be needed to shieldytank a ship effectively (byt that I mean to fit all t2). So I agree with the posters answering here that training lv5 in management is a must anyway (and well should be, just like both cap skills). It is so easy to get a t2 shieldtank it's funny, alongside shorter t2 launcher training times, this makes ships like the raven not overpowered (not getting into this dispute) but too fast to train for, making the learning curve for the pilots themselves much steeper. My god - I even saw a few CNRs with malkuth heavy missile bays, for god's sake, and a full t2 tank to that :P Click
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:25:00 - [15] anyway my whining will stop here... with a hope that CCP will make me happy... with a lvl5->lvl4 skill req
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.01.16 00:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Fredou anyway my whining will stop here... with a hope that CCP will make me happy... with a lvl5->lvl4 skill req sorry... I have to bump that thread since now it's official... T1 do more profit than the T2 on selling price! hello
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.01.16 00:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Fredou Originally by: Fredou anyway my whining will stop here... with a hope that CCP will make me happy... with a lvl5->lvl4 skill req sorry... I have to bump that thread since now it's official... T1 do more profit than the T2 on selling price! hello I'll trade your my T1 SBA BPO for your T2 SBA BPO.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.01.16 02:19:00 - [18] SBA II going for about a million now if only tech II x-large boosters would go down also.
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 05:09:00 - [19] It's fine EVE Needs longer skilltrains for T2 gear, and if it gets dropped to lvl 4 req the price will sky rocket. Then you'll come on here and whine about how expensive they are for 'only' 6% boost. Just buy faction if you want instant gratification. ----- Originally by: wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
Tammarr	Posted - 2007.01.16 05:29:00 - [20] /me mutters something about t2 armor hardeners.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:28:00 - [21] You have no business shield tanking and not having Shield Management at level 5. Sig removed, maximum allowed image size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Audri Fisher SBA II going for about a million now if only tech II x-large boosters would go down also. You have got to be kidding about xl t2 shield boosters. They are a mere 2.2 mil! They used for 14 mil, and are worth far more than 4 mil. I don't even sell mine anymore because it no worth the time accumulating the components when someone keep undercutting with a huge order by 0.01 isk and I usuall y have betetr thigns to do with the time involved to monitor the market. But - it'll either go up, or go way down. I plan on giving them away for cost, and giving the bpc's away unless the other sellers get them to a more reasonable price. Not joking. Whenever I get around to see who the other sellers are and I stock a few hundred and copy a couple thousand bpc runs - I'll give them a warning before I flood the market with cost booster or free bpcs. Sig removed, maximum allowed image size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:38:00 - [23] i have to agree it's not worth it, just **** that skill and buy a DG amp on the occasional ship you use an amp on =) 1,5% more and better fitting reqs
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Fredou tell me if i'm wrong but if you compare all the shield & armor stuff (without capital one) shield boost amplifier II is the one that need the most training time to be used Its also the one that turns shield tanking into a more cap efficient process than armor tanking[as well as a more time efficient process], so i think the training time is worth it ;) ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Denrace Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.16 08:47:00 - [25] I happily trained it to Level 5. And I'm glad I did, as it gave me an extra 5% HP boost. The Level 5 skill requirement also means that SBA II's are incredibly cheap for such a great Tech II module. In fact, its my favourite Tech II module in eve. Den ________________________________________
Jurushy SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.01.16 08:58:00 - [26] lol did i read right? u whine about training a rank 3 skill to lvl5? what do u say if u have to train rank 8+ skills to lvl5? ------ REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD Old Klingon prover
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Jurushy lol did i read right? u whine about training a rank 3 skill to lvl5? what do u say if u have to train rank 8+ skills to lvl5? to use mildly useful capital ships? ;)
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Jurushy lol did i read right? u whine about training a rank 3 skill to lvl5? No.. he's whining because there is little demand for the T2 SBA vs. the supply and he owns a T2 SBA BPO. He is trying to get CCP to change it so demand goes up and he can sit on a nice little isk printer and win EVE.
Setana Manoro Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:24:00 - [29] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 16/01/2007 09:21:36 Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Jurushy lol did i read right? u whine about training a rank 3 skill to lvl5? what do u say if u have to train rank 8+ skills to lvl5? to use mildly useful capital ships? ;) Command Ships is a rank 8 that has as primary atribute Willpower. :) Then there is Recon Ships which is a rank 6 and is almost a must for level 5 if you want to fly them well - again a willpower primary skill. I won't even mention the Large Rail/Blaster/Autocannon/Artillery/Pulse/Beam Specializations which are also rank 8 with Perception as primary atribute. -------------------------------------------------- Always look on the bright side of life. :)
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Jurushy lol did i read right? u whine about training a rank 3 skill to lvl5? No.. he's whining because there is little demand for the T2 SBA vs. the supply and he owns a T2 SBA BPO. He is trying to get CCP to change it so demand goes up and he can sit on a nice little isk printer and win EVE. I dont think the idea is for him to win eve. More isk for him would be great (who wouldnt like more isk?). The truth of the matter is sad however, that tech1's can often make more profit than the tech2 variants. I have been thinking about skill req's lately and to be honest I dont like the way it's level V for any tech2 module (the reason I dont like it, is because it means we'll have new skills for tech 3, with those going to level V for tech 4). My peronsal views on skills put to the side, it is horrible to have t2 prints that make little to no isk. I have roughly 21 t2 prints that have such horrible profits that I dont produce for market. There is a upside to items with horrible profit, and that's the fact that t2 bpo's often come around and it can be much easier to start up a monopoly. The skill requirements arent that bad, the only real problem is that other than the SBA II module, there's no real reason to train that skill so it does feel like wasted time. I wouldnt mind seeing all t1 items get bonus's from their associated skills (base figgures go down, t1 skill brings it up in a non-linear fashion so leve3 of skill = close to t1 value, and level4 = spot on, level 5 = slightly more.. Anywho.. along with the SBA beef up Basilisk, Large cap bat II, t2Ammo, Small Plates, ECW II..
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:47:00 - [31] Edited by: Shadowsword on 16/01/2007 10:43:52 Originally by: Fredou tell me if i'm wrong but if you compare all the shield & armor stuff (without capital one) shield boost amplifier II is the one that need the most training time to be used Shield conpensation skills aren't worth training, but armor compensation skills are. How does 4 rank 2 skills to lvl 5 compare to your shield managment 5? Besides, shield tanking is better in almost every aspect. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:50:00 - [32] Edited by: Sokratesz on 16/01/2007 10:47:00 You want shield management to 5 on any serious character that you plan on keeping for a year or more...same goes for cap management. It will make your life quite a bit easier. IMO, cap/shield management V, mechanic & hull upgrades V fall in the same category..must-have if you want that small edge.. Basilisk Fitting Link
Local pusher	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:00:00 - [33] Edited by: Local pusher on 16/01/2007 11:57:46 Why did i bother with hull upgrades 5 if i can use faction eanms and i don't need extra hp as i have slave implants... As a side note, full t2 raven can be trained in 2months+time for bs5
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Baji Core Originally by: Tomas Ysidro yeah. In the meantime make it so all t2 weapon skills only require level 4 prereqs. Might as well make it so t2 ships only require level 4 in their respective prereqs too. You want the sexy t2, be prepared to train for it. I agree with that for t2 weapons and ships, but for a support module, the SBA II is simply out of line with the others - t2 damage mods or t2 shield hardners for instance. In any case it's certainly worth the training. Just inconsistent. Check the EANM II. that requires a rank 3 skill to lvl 5. So for a tanking module its exactly in-line. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.04.08 17:22:00 - [35] why not a small bump here again? look at market and look at the number of shield boost amplifier II modules available.... and the price then look at the T1 version there is a problem here
Robbie Boozecruise Caldari Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.08 17:37:00 - [36] i think all tech 2 should have to have lvl 5 to use it. infact i think tech 2 ships are 2 easy to get into i think they should have some more skills like the command ships should have to have alot more leadership skills
Guo Nian	Posted - 2007.04.08 18:38:00 - [37] Originally by: Robbie Boozecruise i think all tech 2 should have to have lvl 5 to use it. infact i think tech 2 ships are 2 easy to get into i think they should have some more skills like the command ships should have to have alot more leadership skills I agree with what your saying 100%, there should be allot more t2 modules with lvl5 requirements, its too easy to fit a lvl5 tank. Or do we want to just make it level 1 for everything and give the newbies a fully t2 fitted shield tanking battleship upon creation of character? Hrm don't think so. Make it harder for everything else, not make the SBAII easier.
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.04.08 18:55:00 - [38] Edited by: Fredou on 08/04/2007 18:56:13 so what is wrong with that+that vs that+that
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Fredou Shield conpensation skills aren't worth training, but armor compensation skills are. can you please tell me why :p
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:20:00 - [40] Edited by: Fredou on 08/04/2007 19:22:14 Edited by: Fredou on 08/04/2007 19:20:31 Originally by: Darqion Zenix Originally by: Shadowsword your mistake->{quote=Fredou} Shield conpensation skills aren't worth training, but armor compensation skills are. can you please tell me why :p I didn't said that! fix your post
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:30:00 - [41] yea yea i just removed a random part of the quotation :P i dont care who answers it :P i just wanna know what the armor compensations will do for ye ghehe
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Ademaro Imre You have no business shield tanking and not having Shield Management at level 5. This man speaks the truth. You need hull upgrades lvl 5 for T2 armor hardeners and plates etc, so its totally fine. Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...

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