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Merdaneth
Amarr
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:33:00 -
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The institution of slavery sparks many conflicts, and rightfully so. Enslavement is an extreme measure, and not one to be taken lightly.
But when does a person actually become 'enslaved'? At what point in time can we speak of someone as 'living in slavery'? What is the correct definition of 'slavery'?
To me a lot of the conflict seems to spring forth from misunderstandings and misrepresentation, and I would like to solve that. I would like to have a good definition of slavery, one that can be used in intra-galactic legal proceedings and political negotiations, so as to mediate disputes and set illegaly enslaved people free.
In particular I would like non-Amarr citizens and cultures to give their opinions about the right definition, as I am fairly familiar with the Amarr definitions.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:35:00 -
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My good sir,
I have a treatise on this subject in the pipeworks - standby.
Offhand, I would define slavery as unwilling submission to an unworthy, more powerful entity. A slave may be ignorant of its enslavement status, which may affect the unwilling prerequisite to the aforementioned definition. The true slave is the paradoxically not a slave, as it aspires to serve.
Thus, by this definition:
The Minmatar are slaves (ignorant) to the Gallente.
The Intaki are unwilling slaves to the Gallente.
The venerable Caldari are ex-slaves of the Gallente.
The Ammatar are not slaves, as they willingly serve a worthy higher power.
The Amarr are not slaves nor by our definition enslavers. They are trustees of those who cannot live in the way of the Divine.
We can conclude that the Gallente need to account for their abusive treatment of other races. I invite the Intakis and Caldari to concur. Minmatar need not, as they lack insight into their depressing situation.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Luna Rossa Corporation
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
The Minmatar are slaves (ignorant) to the Gallente.
Being an Ammatar, you're obviously of extremely deficient mental capability, so I'll tell you this right now - the Minmatar are not our slaves. They are freer than ever they have been before because we rescued them from your ignorant clutches and gave them their land back that you so thoughtlessly took from them.
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The Intaki are unwilling slaves to the Gallente.
Try again. Most Intaki are happy being in the Federation, and those that aren't usually quietely and peacefully request the Federation give them more autonomy.
But as previously stated, you're an Ammatar, so you're nearly as intelligent as I am, so I can forgive you for making these mistakes.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:55:00 -
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Slaves are weak. A simple, concise and - most importantly - correct definition.
And yes, the Federation and Gallente people are enslavers. They enslaved the Caldari and Intaki, not to mention a good deal of others. The Amarr pale in comparison when it comes to removing the freedoms and libertys of others.
I guess the Minmatar are too ignorant to believe that others could be capable of enslaving, or that theirs is the only race to have suffered such hardships.
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TheFirstInquisitor
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Posted - 2006.12.17 13:28:00 -
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The greatest way to enslave a people is to define an Evil and a Good.
The Gallente create a system of life within economics defines the rich masters and the poor working classes, who like slaves either work or die. Within this they manipulate peoples such as the blood kin of the Caldari, the Intaki in the plight for Caldari Prime, whilst intervening during their industrial revolution to create a society, aimed at pleaseing the almighty Gallente.
There are parrelels in real life, it just depends on which end of the stick you look at it from, and whetehr bullets come out of that stick...
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Elrianmk2
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:06:00 -
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Quite simply the use of force to remove a people from their home worlds, then use of said people as a commodity to be used and sold as such; The denial of rights to aforementioned groups; The wilful and deliberate destruction of said groups culture belief structure and social structure. At no time has the Federation done any of these things, The Amarr however have, the Minmatarr have not, although they have been enslaved by the millions. The Caldari for all of their oddities do not enslave as such but instead act on an odd meritocracy, at least so I am told. The federation pretty much lets everyone follow their own beliefs and does not impose upon them until such time as they break an agreement made within the system. {For an example of this please review the historical data surrounding the Caldari breakaway from the Federation}
The only social structures that depends on the enslavement of another are the Amarr Empire and the Amatar Kingdom, which is why UÆK normally only targets those entities. Simple really.
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Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:27:00 -
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It would seem that some here are slaves to prejudice and dogmaà
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Amira Silvermist
Yazata Spenta
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dejhon Vanxler
It would seem that some here are slaves to prejudice and dogmaà
Andreus Ixiris and Elrianmk2 come to mind here.
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Zan Maruke
Amarr
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.12.17 16:40:00 -
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Slavery in the Khanid Kingdom is described in our legal codes as a punishment for crimes both secular and religious. Much like other prisoners they are deprived of freedom and expected to reform their ways through service to The Kingdom. Many, in fact, end up serving private owners, as it can be said that all Holders serve The Kingdom, and it is true that there are entire families serving out sentences handed down from their ancestors. Many others are, in fact, redeemed and acquitted.
As with all institutions there will be lapses and criminality. We have more former slavers than one might think who, themselves, end up in indentured servitude to The Crown. I have been told that redeemed ex-slaves who can afford the taxes will bid very handsomely for such fellows. This encourages our military to police illegal slavery quite closely for the potential revenues it can bring.
However, there are those who will profit from the Khanid Kingdom's strained workforce and who will engage in criminal acts of slavery. Slaves are a critical part of our economy for the time being and it seems that will not change in the near future. Many Holder Houses will protect these sorts from The King's Justice and, thus, it can be difficult to prosecute them as should be done.
Unlike our cousins in The Empire, however, you will not usually find, outside a zealous fraction, of our population the desire to use our faith as an excuse for our activities. In a culture like ours, a rich blend of both Amarrian traditions and Caldari innovations with the pragmatic soul of a Khanid warrior, we must rely on the secular law to arbitrate our disputes and leave canon law to the priests. God be praised, thus far it has served us well.*
*((The ideas in this post came from an in-game mission I ran in which my character was told that "legal" slaves were criminals and I was told to take out "illegal" slavers that were kidnapping civilians. Like as not this is a bit of wishful thinking or propaganda but Zan takes it at face value. The blend of cultures is mentioned in the background PF story on the Khanid Kingdom)).
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Zan Maruke
Amarr
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:04:00 -
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*((Also this is the point of view of a Khanid Cyberknight. A Unionist or Zealot might see things quite differently.))
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U Fester
Amarr
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:36:00 -
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As an Ammatar it is our honor to serve. Those who do not choose to serve are lower beings and lower beings such as dogs have not right. Lowers beings such as Minmatar are not slaves just as pack animals from our ancestors past where. They are simply beasts of burden that must be controlled in what they can or can not do. Any creature that chooses not to serve but be made to so they can learn so they can redeem themselves.
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:22:00 -
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Slavery is a state of mind. It does not discriminate between races, social classes, or professions. No person becomes a slave unwillingly.
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