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Natasha Kerensky
The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 17/12/2006 14:26:02
Ever since I started playing EVE, it has been my goal to become the best Raven pilot in the galaxy. All my skills have been geared towards this goal with massive SP in Missles, Cap skills and Shield tanking skills.
So my buddy trains up his second account to be a Hulk pilot. The hulk being a shield tanker, he proceeds to train up all the Passive resist skills(i dont think he ever read the description of these) I try to tell him that those skills are only useful if you intend to use passive hardeners(which he isnt). I myself, have little use for passive hardeners so I never trained them.
So now, hes trying to tell me that since he has more SP in shield skills he is a better shield tanker than me.
I told him to suck my torps
Please tell him that my active hardners offer the same resistance as his active hardners even with his stupid skill points
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Valator Uel
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:30:00 -
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Compensation skills don't help with active tanks at all, but if you ever run out of cap you'll be glad to get that extra 10% resist while your module is offline. Plus if you ever plan on doing some passive shield tanking, those skills are a must-have. ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.uozone.net/files/cic/val4_eve.jpg Please read the Forum Rules regarding signatures. It's a maximum of 400px width and 120px height. Please change it before putting it back -Eldo([email protected])
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Sinner aint'no'Saint
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:32:00 -
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there is only one way to resolve this....
Ill give you a hint: you need two ships to start but only one finishes.
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Xaildaine
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:32:00 -
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TBH im still not sure how much use the skills are to even passive mods.. the description seems to suggest a flat +%5 but it clearly isnt. Is it %5 od the resistance of the unit.. IE %5 of the %30 from an resistance amp Or is it %5 with a stacking penalty
but you are right For an active shield tank.. the skills are all but worthless .. unless you run out of cap.. in which case the +%1 per lvl wont save you anyway.
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DarK
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2006.12.17 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sinner aint'no'Saint there is only one way to resolve this....
Ill give you a hint: you need two ships to start but only one finishes.
Two ships enter, one ship leaves:P
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Tricit
Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Kerensky
I told him to suck my torps
I agree with you on this point.
Your friend should suck your torps. Tricit's dreamy ship statistics. PICTURES SOON MAYBE!!! (NOT YET, but they are drawn) |
Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.17 15:23:00 -
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He's a tard.
Give him a torpedo to suck on.
Originally by: Diana Marc Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.17 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: DarK
Originally by: Sinner aint'no'Saint there is only one way to resolve this....
Ill give you a hint: you need two ships to start but only one finishes.
Two ships enter, one ship leaves:P
Actualy, three ships enter, two ship leave.
You need to normalize damage between the two ships, otherwise variables other than shield tanking will come into effect.
So basically, get your friendly Geddon pilot. Have them load up an even number of lasers w/ explosive or kinetic drones.
2 drones per target[1 exp, 1 kin], 3 tachs per target.
Whomever explodes first looses.
Add ships as nessesary if tanks do not break, so long as they evenly split their DPS between the two and do a good smattering of different damage types. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2006.12.17 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 17/12/2006 17:34:14 ôSo now, hes trying to tell me that since he has more SP in shield skills he is a better shield tanker than me.ö I can think of one situation where he is right. Assuming you both fly he same ship and both run out of cap as someoneÆs training your cap or you leave a module on auto cycle to long then he would have the advantage as his active hardeners would give him a small but noticeable resistance bonus while you get no resistance.
"Please tell him that my active hardners offer the same resistance as his active hardners even with his stupid skill points" Run out of cap and he has better resistance's from those active hardners. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Natasha Kerensky
The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.27 10:14:00 -
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I am humbled by your infinite wisdom oh Goddess of Passive Tanking
/bows
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.27 11:04:00 -
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And of course, there's always the top tier passive resist modules (I have no idea how much they cost, but "a whoopload" would be a good quantifier), that give you with maxed out compensation 62% to the specific resist.
My recent love, the Drake, (with not so insane skills) easily field 3 hardners of any type and 3 large shield extenders, and 4 hardners and 2 extenders even easier. Now, if he goes full passive tank with those ultra-expensive shield resistance amplifiers, he is completely immune to NOSage, and he can still passively recharge a good deal more than you could EVER active-boost on your Raven, regardless of equipment you use (short of maybe full head of Crystal implants).
So yeah, on specific ships (especially those that have shield resist bonuses), especially if they passive tank, IF you're willing to spend a load of ISK on modules and rigs, he'll outtank your Raven's damage and then some. Sure, he won't be able to break your tank back either, but... _ My skills | Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Ricco Lonestar
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.27 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ricco Lonestar on 27/12/2006 11:12:01 Maybe he can tank more with passive hardeners on his Hulk for a longer time.(no capusage there). So there he prolly might be a better shieldtanker. (gistii smallbooster or so/maybe no capupgrade needed) If it to put on more miningupgrades or to have better cap to turn online a mininglaser after crystal or roid depletion faster than he just a better miner :)
So a tard anyways http://www.eve-ams.net/signature/Ricco%20Lonestar.jpg |
Shandling
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.27 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Kerensky Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 17/12/2006 14:26:02
Ever since I started playing EVE, it has been my goal to become the best Raven pilot in the galaxy. All my skills have been geared towards this goal with massive SP in Missles, Cap skills and Shield tanking skills.
So my buddy trains up his second account to be a Hulk pilot. The hulk being a shield tanker, he proceeds to train up all the Passive resist skills(i dont think he ever read the description of these) I try to tell him that those skills are only useful if you intend to use passive hardeners(which he isnt). I myself, have little use for passive hardeners so I never trained them.
So now, hes trying to tell me that since he has more SP in shield skills he is a better shield tanker than me.
I told him to suck my torps
Please tell him that my active hardners offer the same resistance as his active hardners even with his stupid skill points
If you both have the SAME shield skills, and THEN he has the passive skills after that? Yeah, he's in better shape than you. However, you REALLY can't compare a Drake and a Raven for the same style of tanking... yeah they both shield tank but Raven is active and Drake is passive.
But... yeah... if he has same skills as you + passive skills, then he's slightly better off if he runs out of cap :P
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2006.12.27 12:47:00 -
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yeah ur right the number of sp doesn't directly affect outcome of that skill group.
just because someone has more gunnery sp doesn't mean their guns will be better. they may have just trained lots of t2 types with crappy support gunnery skills.
so yes the passsive skills can still benefit active shield tankers but rarely.
DE
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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2006.12.27 13:02:00 -
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öAnd of course, there's always the top tier passive resist modules (I have no idea how much they cost, but "a whoopload" would be a good quantifier), that give you with maxed out compensation 62% to the specific resist.ö If youÆre lucky 600million per module but expect to pay upwards of 1 billion per module for them all apart from EM which is more. How much you pay depends on who else is in the auction. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
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