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Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:57:00 - [1] John the Hero is preparing for defeat: Quote: Eve Online Eve is undergoing a change in direction. I cannot go into full details without betraying a confidence but suffice to say, it is moving away from the hardcore Empire building and more into a casual gamer friendly enviroment. Eve Defence Force In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. We've built two Outposts, one of which was the fastest in Eve taking 10 days to build and less than one hour to raise the cash for it, the Other being Eve's first ever Amarr Outpost. We conquered one other in the Paragon Soul war. We've also been the largest corporation in Eve for over a year and at our peak, had a POS network of 38 POS, all producing Tech 2 Components. Ascendent Frontier ASCN when it first formed, was formed on the principle of everyone fights. At first we where a very strong Alliance where people would be afriad to come down to raid our space because when they did, they'd be blobbed off the map. The apitome of this was during the EC-P campaign where we camped the EC-P stystem for 5 days straight whilst BoB and The5 took out G's Capital Yards. This lead to G disbanding and reforming as D2. At some point we lost our way and became soft. Raiders would come and people would dock or expect corps like EDF, CoRM, IXC and CLS etc. to do the killing. When DDC, EOG and Solst split off to become AXE, the balance was never redressed, despite Drakma and I long saying we needed to get out of the mentality of being a hobbit - i.e. and contrary to popular opinion that it meant we where carebears, it meant we had a policy of keep your nose out of our business and we'll keep it out of yours. This made us soft. The BoB war When we first started, we outnumbered BoB 3-1. Problem is not enough people wanted to get involved. Cyvok refused to listen to Drakma, Virtuozzo, Gilbert and I about getting tough with corps and kicking them out if need be. As a result, we reached the point we have today with the apathy that's set in. As you all know, ASCN was even sat on its collective arses last night when BoB where attacking C9N. Then we lost the Titan, 0OY to underhanded tactics and Cyvok left and Virt took over. The problem is it looks like nothing has changed with the new Executor. The problem doesn't lie with Virt, nor HC. It lies with too few CEOs being willing to kick out members who don't want to get involved. This has left the board awfully stressed and burnt out. The Future EDF is going to undergo a transformation. We're going to downsize ourself and change our priorities towards the central theme of having fun. We all feel that in persuit of our ambition as a corp, we lost focus on what is important. Our members. When we do soemthing, we will do it together. Everyone will fight. Everyone must be capable of self sufficiencey and everyone will have to have the right attitude. Skill points will not even enter it. It's an attitude. We want the corp to be a collection of friends who all know each other. We will close the doors to recruitment and will only recruit via referal and infrequently. Everyone will always be there for each other. We will not be a freelance corp but we will get back to our routes and do more Pirate hunting. We also have no shortage of targets to shoot because we've made plenty of enemies during the last few year and half. There will be more PvP but we'll still do other things like mine and missions, in order to make money. If one of us needs help, we all help. [...] -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:58:00 - [2] Quote: [...] In short, EDF will become a leaner, meaner, more agile version of itself. We will be scrubbing the rosta and only those the board thinks will fit into this new regime will get back in. The timing on this will be after the war. We're still discussing the specifics but one things for certain - if ASCN is defeated in this war, it will die. There's no going back to Empire, regrouping and striking back. It will be dead. If that happens, and then some time in the future we where presented with the chance to retake one or both of our stations, that would be decided at the time. But the key thing here is we want to be smaller, more manigable, and all of us able to log on, see a freindly face in corp chat and have fun. We still have things left to achieve in this game but we'll do them together. This is a good change, a welcome change. A change that will fit in the the new Eve. If you're along for the ride then stay on and fight and show us you're worthy of being part of this change. John McCreedy aka Gollum -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:01:00 - [3] You've got to love "moral blog leaders" So much self back patting.. so little honesty..
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Kugutsumen John the Hero is preparing for defeat: Quote: In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. Not a chance in hell. ------ Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Kyguard on 17/12/2006 18:07:40 EDF probably won't fight for ASCN anymore since even McCreedy thinks that ASCN is going to fall any moment soon. I'm curious to know how ex ASCN space is going to become once BoB setup their inhabitants. Wonder if they will be able to keep the same stability in those regions as ASCN did. -
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:11:00 - [6] oh noes ____________________________________ omgfrenchpwntbh you are in teh pod.
Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Kugutsumen John the Hero is preparing for defeat: blah blah killboard stats blah blah Not a chance in hell. That why i still luv u cruci :D ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:19:00 - [8] Largest corp in eve? What does this guy smoke? Goonfleet has been larger than any one corp. ----- Congratulations. You just ****ed EDF off. I hope you're prepared for the consequences. - John Mccreedy
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Kugutsumen John the Hero is preparing for defeat: Quote: Eve Online Eve is undergoing a change in direction. I cannot go into full details without betraying a confidence but suffice to say, it is moving away from the hardcore Empire building and more into a casual gamer friendly enviroment. Eve Defence Force In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. We've built two Outposts, one of which was the fastest in Eve taking 10 days to build and less than one hour to raise the cash for it, the Other being Eve's first ever Amarr Outpost. We conquered one other in the Paragon Soul war. We've also been the largest corporation in Eve for over a year and at our peak, had a POS network of 38 POS, all producing Tech 2 Components. Ascendent Frontier ASCN when it first formed, was formed on the principle of everyone fights. At first we where a very strong Alliance where people would be afriad to come down to raid our space because when they did, they'd be blobbed off the map. The apitome of this was during the EC-P campaign where we camped the EC-P stystem for 5 days straight whilst BoB and The5 took out G's Capital Yards. This lead to G disbanding and reforming as D2. At some point we lost our way and became soft. Raiders would come and people would dock or expect corps like EDF, CoRM, IXC and CLS etc. to do the killing. When DDC, EOG and Solst split off to become AXE, the balance was never redressed, despite Drakma and I long saying we needed to get out of the mentality of being a hobbit - i.e. and contrary to popular opinion that it meant we where carebears, it meant we had a policy of keep your nose out of our business and we'll keep it out of yours. This made us soft. The BoB war When we first started, we outnumbered BoB 3-1. Problem is not enough people wanted to get involved. Cyvok refused to listen to Drakma, Virtuozzo, Gilbert and I about getting tough with corps and kicking them out if need be. As a result, we reached the point we have today with the apathy that's set in. As you all know, ASCN was even sat on its collective arses last night when BoB where attacking C9N. Then we lost the Titan, 0OY to underhanded tactics and Cyvok left and Virt took over. The problem is it looks like nothing has changed with the new Executor. The problem doesn't lie with Virt, nor HC. It lies with too few CEOs being willing to kick out members who don't want to get involved. This has left the board awfully stressed and burnt out. The Future EDF is going to undergo a transformation. We're going to downsize ourself and change our priorities towards the central theme of having fun. We all feel that in persuit of our ambition as a corp, we lost focus on what is important. Our members. When we do soemthing, we will do it together. Everyone will fight. Everyone must be capable of self sufficiencey and everyone will have to have the right attitude. Skill points will not even enter it. It's an attitude. We want the corp to be a collection of friends who all know each other. We will close the doors to recruitment and will only recruit via referal and infrequently. Everyone will always be there for each other. We will not be a freelance corp but we will get back to our routes and do more Pirate hunting. We also have no shortage of targets to shoot because we've made plenty of enemies during the last few year and half. There will be more PvP but we'll still do other things like mine and missions, in order to make money. If one of us needs help, we all help. [...] Is that you Spiral????
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:25:00 - [10] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/12/2006 18:26:26 Maybe there is some truth in what I was saying? Hint hint.... anyhow, now the fun starts. I covet use of the term 'I told you so' for the next few months if no one objects. Nez, you can use 'Oh, he was right' if you want as a suggestion. :)
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Kugutsumen John the Hero is preparing for defeat: Quote: In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the bottom 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. Not a chance in hell. Fixed
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:36:00 - [12] "Then we lost the Titan, 0OY to underhanded tactics" What underhanded tactics? It got scanned down with aggro...for the love of all that is holy! I guess if you keep saying that people may actually believe it more than what is STATED BY CCP WITH REGARDS TO THE AGGOR TIMER. Please make a note of this. Had that Titan been given back it would of stepped over the laws of the game and all credibility that CCP has and deserves would of been lost. FACT.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:41:00 - [13] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/12/2006 18:42:21 How'd mccreedy know his corps k/d ratio anyway ? Last we checked ASCN don't do lossposting. I also heard he promised that he'd be improving his behaviour. Seems he mostly improved the subtlety of his blame-shifting techniques. Not quite enough to fool anything up from primate yet tho. Old blog
Kerkar THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:42:00 - [14] 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Wish cyvok had been first to post though with a pic or something just saying "ooops".
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:43:00 - [15] Btw... just wanted to mention that I am not a bob alt. If you check my post history, I have been messing with bob as well. If you like my threads and want me to post more of them, feel free to send me ISK donations or contract my services. If the mods keep deleting my posts, I'll just start a blog. -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Oh. I heard the guy who's job it was to fuel them had a rl issue to deal with, and no-one in ASCN was willing to do it for him. Still, spies are more fun .. maybe only out-done by ninjas!! The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:45:00 - [17] Quote: Eve Defence Force In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. We've built two Outposts, one of which was the fastest in Eve taking 10 days to build and less than one hour to raise the cash for it, the Other being Eve's first ever Amarr Outpost. We conquered one other in the Paragon Soul war. We've also been the largest corporation in Eve for over a year and at our peak, had a POS network of 38 POS, all producing Tech 2 Components. What a load of rubbish. Biggest corp in EvE, more like biggest corp in your ego. Madeye proves how delusional he is.. yet again. Comedy, comedy, comedy! Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Eerhm, you did notice the stuff goign on in edf recently did you ? How about I tell you it wasn't a spy... Mccreedy dug that hole himself afaik, but then again, defaulting back to teh blameshift would be what one does then I guess. Old blog
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Bawldeux IV Traiters come in many forms, and Lord XSiV is displaying one of those forms. http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=445436 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...436&page=4#115 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...436&page=4#104 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...&page=11#31 8 many more.... His constant belittling of ASCN and its leaders has reached the limit. He and others that at this time are so insistant on smack talking their own alliance should pack it up and get the fsck out. CEO's, do you actual care about the aliance or do you just want to destroy us from the inside as BoBs lackies?? (allowing this crap is the same as working for BoB to kill ascn) YOU are those leaders these traiters are insulting, and I am one of the members of ASCN that finds thier behavior discraceful. Kick them! MAKE THEM NBSI ! ! ! ! ...traiters no matter how you look at it, and most likely spies too. -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:53:00 - [20] OMG, EDF IS SLIMMING DOWN AND LOOKING TO FIND ITS FOCUS AGAIN!? Say it isn't so! Why would any corp want to address issues like confusion and deadweight? Yeh yeh, sarcasm lowest form of wit. Hey, Im cool with being down the bottom. In other news, 1 hour, 20 minutes to go! Woohoo. I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Wish cyvok had been first to post though with a pic or something just saying "ooops". It's amazing how whenever bob gets a spy into ASCN they get instant access to top roles in every ascn corp
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 17/12/2006 18:58:22 This has really been a bad two weeks for ASCN . Dead Titan Invaded home systems Apathetic membership A HC that seems unwilling to adapt to new circumstances
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Kugutsumen on 17/12/2006 18:57:49 Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Eerhm, you did notice the stuff goign on in edf recently did you ? How about I tell you it wasn't a spy... Mccreedy dug that hole himself afaik, but then again, defaulting back to teh blameshift would be what one does then I guess. Actually, Velamax Crus of CoRM pointed the finger at EDF: "I don't know what happened in OOY but I believe it was a spy. I am more ****ed about the C9N pos and the arguments regarding if it was accidental or not. Seems to me in a time of war what happened there was a dereliction of duty that was a big loss to ASCN. A spy is a spy and wtf can ya do. But to lose something because no one paid attention is something you can take care of. Spy's are a fact of life. People neglecting the jobs they have is something else." John replied angrily: "I don't for one moment believe it was derriliction of duty. I believe it was a spy. I also believe more than ever that multiple corp POS per system, especially in one with low moon count, is a must. Had we had 3 EDF POS and 4 from other corps in 0OY, 0OY could not of been lost without a fight." -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Vrizuh OMG, EDF IS SLIMMING DOWN AND LOOKING TO FIND ITS FOCUS AGAIN!? Say it isn't so! Why would any corp want to address issues like confusion and deadweight? Yeh yeh, sarcasm lowest form of wit. Hey, Im cool with being down the bottom. In other news, 1 hour, 20 minutes to go! Woohoo. hmm maybe but the wording of John's blog seems to indicate that there isnt a whole lot of hope.. and EDF is one of ASCN's backbone corps. I've quoted the worrying bit for you... Originally by: Blog if ASCN is defeated in this war, it will die. There's no going back to Empire, regrouping and striking back. It will be dead. If that happens, and then some time in the future we where presented with the chance to retake one or both of our stations, that would be decided at the time. But the key thing here is we want to be smaller, more manigable, and all of us able to log on, see a freindly face in corp chat and have fun. We still have things left to achieve in this game but we'll do them together. This is a good change, a welcome change. A change that will fit in the the new Eve. If you're along for the ride then stay on and fight and show us you're worthy of being part of this change. Note that this "good, welcome change" will only happen once ASCN is dead.
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Kugutsumen on 17/12/2006 19:07:47 Jenk [STK-S] posted on the ASCN forum: "We don't know it was BoB who initiated the offlining or corp thievery, it could have just been someone **** off and eve-mailed molle with "POS will be offline in 30mins, have fun. happens, deal with it and move on." Poor JenK was banned for this post; reason: Supporting *****s. "BoB cannot defeat us - we will only lose by fighting among ourselves - Don't let it happen." Tundaar of EDF replied :) -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:07:00 - [26] Edited by: Vrizuh on 17/12/2006 19:13:03 Edited by: Vrizuh on 17/12/2006 19:09:38 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Oh. I heard the guy who's job it was to fuel them had a rl issue to deal with, and no-one in ASCN was willing to do it for him. Still, spies are more fun .. maybe only out-done by ninjas!! Could you maybe take that up with DB Preacher? S/he seems to know what happened. I've never gotten the impression from those posts that BoB command thinks it was a fueling error. Cmon, POS unanchoring, BoB knowing about it before us, a char in the corp for 1 day getting all our minerals and fuel. It just does not seem to be a 'fueling error'. EDIT: Naz: John is a realist. You want a HC that lies and shoves idiotic propoganda down our throat, or you want a HC which looks at all options and keeps morale up by making people feel like there is no 'end of the line'? Kugut: When that player was banned, even John McCreedy spoke up and said it should be reversed. It was a universally unpopular move. Sorry, that is not the proof you're looking for. ^^ I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:08:00 - [27] Jenk [STK-S] posted on the ASCN forum: "We don't know it was BoB who initiated the offlining or corp thievery, it could have just been someone **** off and eve-mailed molle with "POS will be offline in 30mins, have fun. happens, deal with it and move on." Poor JenK was banned for this post; reason: Supporting *****s. "BoB cannot defeat us - we will only lose by fighting among ourselves - Don't let it happen." Tundaar of EDF replied :) -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Kugutsumen Jenk [STK-S] posted on the ASCN forum: "We don't know it was BoB who initiated the offlining or corp thievery, it could have just been someone **** off and eve-mailed molle with "POS will be offline in 30mins, have fun. happens, deal with it and move on." Poor JenK was banned for this post; reason: Supporting *****s. "BoB cannot defeat us - we will only lose by fighting among ourselves - Don't let it happen." Tundaar of EDF replied :) Well go figure - a person gets banned for a post, think about how ASCN feels about me right now :) And yeah, I would be leaning more towards the 'guy who fuels the pos fell asleep at kbd cause he was so burnt out and forgot to do the ooy poses' theory. Then again, what do I know? Afterall, I am just a carebear miner with one apoc loss to a bob pos.....
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Vrizuh Edited by: Vrizuh on 17/12/2006 19:09:38 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Oh. I heard the guy who's job it was to fuel them had a rl issue to deal with, and no-one in ASCN was willing to do it for him. Still, spies are more fun .. maybe only out-done by ninjas!! Could you maybe take that up with DB Preacher? S/he seems to know what happened. I've never gotten the impression from those posts that BoB command thinks it was a fueling error. Cmon, POS unanchoring, BoB knowing about it before us, a char in the corp for 1 day getting all our minerals and fuel. It just does not seem to be a 'fueling error'. EDIT: Naz: John is a realist. You want a HC that lies and shoves idiotic propoganda down our throat, or you want a HC which looks at all options and keeps morale up by making people feel like there is an end of the line? Kugut: When that player was banned, even John McCreedy spoke up and said it should be reversed. It was a universally unpopular move. Sorry, that is not the proof you're looking for. ^^ Btw, do you realise that C9N-CC is under siege and only 14 guys are defending! what are you doing on the EVE-O forums?!? This is a 4000 members alliance that we are talking about and you have people posting: "if we dont have enaugh dread pilots aviabile we should pay somebody with dread fleet to help us, before is too late. And we will support them. I think is very important we get back ooy, destroy their pos in azn and rit. Logistic will be much more dificult for them and they will not use carriers and dreads so easly...." POS status in c9n: 1-1 - VAF L - Shields OK 1-2 - TBMC L - Shields OK 3-1 - VAF M - Reinforced (comes out on 17-12-06, 06:20) 3-2 - VAF L - Reinforced (comes out on 19-12-06, 05:27) 3-3 - VAF S - Reinforced (comes out on 17-12-06, 06:45) 5-1 - VAF L - Reinforced (comes out on 19-12-06, 03:45) 5-2 - VAF L - Shields OK 5-3 - BOB - Hostile 6-1 - VAF S - Reinforced (comes out on 17-12-06, 06:10) 6-2 - VAF S - Reinforced (comes out on 17-12-06, 05:55) edit: All ASCN towers in C9N are now in reinforced. -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.17 19:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Kugutsumen on 17/12/2006 19:23:09 An ex-EDF guy who wishes to remain anonymous just eve-mailed me the following message: "The irony is not lost on me. He was so proud of expanding EDF from basically a slave mining corp into "one of the powerhouses of ASCN" by massive, unrestricted recruiting. Then he demanded (note I didn't say 'earned') respect because he ran "one of the largest corporations in EVE". Then he was so proud to be put on HC and told many of us to take care of the day-to-day stuff of EDF because he was too busy running ASCN. Now his members are in open revolt against him and others in ASCN won't listen to him because he'd insult them on TS and, as you note here, deal back-hand compliments and not give 100% support to plans that aren't his. Earning the respect, instead of simply demanding it, might have prevented the final blow from coming, but it is much too late. Even the loyal subjects see behind the curtain now - the wizard has been revealed for his true self. He said that I insulted him when I left because it didn't seem I "respected" him. Buddy, you never earned it. Just because you have a title or a shiny badge doesn't make me give you respect. I give proper respects to everyone because it is the decent and dignified thing to do (treat others as you would have others treat you), but if you want more than that you have to earn it. "To lead is to serve" is a saying my father taught me: those that are in charge must help those they manage to do their job better. To see a leader work and then give you the tools, training, and support for success helps you to succeed and shine through. You succeed, and then the leader succeeds through the group's success. What did you do to do that? How did you help others - the miners, the pvpers, the industrialists - succeed? ***ing the whip? Telling the miners how ty they were because they didn't meet your impossible per-person quota for generating ore that you bought at half-price? Sending fleets of potential pvpers 60 jumps away, then recalling them, then sending them back, then ad nausium rinse and repeat. Maybe that's why they're revolting instead of running to support you - they either succeeded dispite your actions or never really succeeded in the first place but just eeked out a subsistence existence - never growing or learning or become better. When he finally falls, his ego will either shatter against harsh reality so completely that he'll learn important lessons on how to deal and treat people not only in real life but also in-game or his ego will deeply *** but not break, the contents of such leaking out and leaving a hollow shell. He will wander eve like a malformed figure with a tortured soul, always looking to the past glory and trying to repeat it but will never be able to because his deformations and quirks will scare everyone else that could help him obtain such a position. I'm betting on the latter - a scar. A festering, bloody, unhealing scar in his mind and to his reputation. An abomination that never understands why people are revolted by him when he begs for help, and that those that might help donÆt have the power or inclination to bring him back to what he was. Maybe this is what cyvok saw happening to him and he took the easy and quick "final solution?" -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Kerkar Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Quote: Well that is one ASCN member coming in to the light no blaming haxploits etc
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Abriana Overlord Originally by: Kerkar Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Quote: Well that is one ASCN member coming in to the light no blaming haxploits etc Oh wow, maybe some have migrated to the acceptance stage....
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Vrizuh Originally by: Avon Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Oh. I heard the guy who's job it was to fuel them had a rl issue to deal with, and no-one in ASCN was willing to do it for him. Still, spies are more fun .. maybe only out-done by ninjas!! Could you maybe take that up with DB Preacher? S/he seems to know what happened. I've never gotten the impression from those posts that BoB command thinks it was a fueling error. Cmon, POS unanchoring, BoB knowing about it before us, a char in the corp for 1 day getting all our minerals and fuel. It just does not seem to be a 'fueling error'. We know what happened. The time is not right to release the information for various reasons. The only thing I can say is that based on what we are hearing from EDF, if I was in ASCN, I wouldn't bother looking too hard to McCreedy to be playing chess anymore... Which is of course a good thing because he appears to be rubbish at it and should have concentrated on playing eve. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Kugutsumen Jenk [STK-S] posted on the ASCN forum: "We don't know it was BoB who initiated the offlining or corp thievery, it could have just been someone **** off and eve-mailed molle with "POS will be offline in 30mins, have fun. happens, deal with it and move on." Poor JenK was banned for this post; reason: Supporting ***s. "BoB cannot defeat us - we will only lose by fighting among ourselves - Don't let it happen." Tundaar of EDF replied :) Well go figure - a person gets banned for a post, think about how ASCN feels about me right now :) And yeah, I would be leaning more towards the 'guy who fuels the pos fell asleep at kbd cause he was so burnt out and forgot to do the ooy poses' theory. Then again, what do I know? Afterall, I am just a carebear miner with one apoc loss to a bob pos..... lol seriously they banned him from the ASCN forums for that? id say to STK-S to get the out of there and kill as many as they can on the way if they are treated like that for giving another view on things. if you cannot even discuss what has happened on your own alliance forums without being banned then something is seriously wrong. Quote:** Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:09:00 - [35] theres nothing wrong. Only one thing is becoming more and more clear. After every defeat soon a dirty laundry starts going out, a blame for it is being ping ponged among "paper generals" none is taking responsibility and within few days/weeks alliance dies. ASCN is in phase of ping ponging so few more weeks. To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Lord XSiV Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/12/2006 18:26:26 Maybe there is some truth in what I was saying? Hint hint.... anyhow, now the fun starts. I covet use of the term 'I told you so' for the next few months if no one objects. Nez, you can use 'Oh, he was right' if you want as a suggestion. :) Actually, I'll be the first to point out (if someone else hasn't already - I haven't read the entire thread) that you have all of a SINGLE kill on the Civis Ascendant Killboards - so if there's anyone who has any room to say 'I told you so' it SURE AS HELL ISN'T YOU. I don't think you have a DAMN INCH to say ANYTHING to ANYONE about "I told you" jack, because you haven't fought and died for anything, nor do you deserve your EDF title. Suck on that for a little while, noob. Originally by: LeMoose RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:31:00 - [37] Originally by: swordslasher Originally by: Lord XSiV Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/12/2006 18:26:26 Maybe there is some truth in what I was saying? Hint hint.... anyhow, now the fun starts. I covet use of the term 'I told you so' for the next few months if no one objects. Nez, you can use 'Oh, he was right' if you want as a suggestion. :) Actually, I'll be the first to point out (if someone else hasn't already - I haven't read the entire thread) that you have all of a SINGLE kill on the Civis Ascendant Killboards - so if there's anyone who has any room to say 'I told you so' it SURE AS HELL ISN'T YOU. I don't think you have a DAMN INCH to say ANYTHING to ANYONE about "I told you" jack, because you haven't fought and died for anything, nor do you deserve your EDF title. Suck on that for a little while, noob. To quote a bunch of people: Rabble, Rabble.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:43:00 - [38] Quote: Eve is undergoing a change in direction. I cannot go into full details without betraying a confidence but suffice to say, it is moving away from the hardcore Empire building and more into a casual gamer friendly enviroment. I don't believe this is the situation in eve and I don't think CCP is aiming for it either. Station ping pong without the poses was more for the casual players back in the days while now with the soverignty system you have to be a very dedicated corp/alliance to gain ground from the enemy. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Abriana Overlord Originally by: Kerkar Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Quote: Well that is one ASCN member coming in to the light no blaming haxploits etc Oh wow, maybe some have migrated to the acceptance stage.... Hey Xsiv... if you want to roll over and die then roll over and die, but do it quietly so those of us that want to fight this war and have fun can do so. If you are so bloody unhappy with ASCN... got a suggestion for you... RUN BACK TO EMPIRE.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:02:00 - [40] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/12/2006 22:03:39 Originally by: Vrizuh Naz: John is a realist. You want a HC that lies and shoves idiotic propoganda down our throat, or you want a HC which looks at all options and keeps morale up by making people feel like there is no 'end of the line'? I don't know Vrizuh... restructuring is fine and its probably exactly what ASCN and EDF need to do... cutting out the dead weight etc.... The problem is that from the blog it seems that the time for restructuring will be after the war not before it. Originally by: EDF blog The timing on this will be after the war. We're still discussing the specifics but one things for certain - if ASCN is defeated in this war, it will die. Now lets hold that thought for a second.. After the war? If ASCN is going to win this war, the war could go on for months and months.. therefore talk of doing things after the war would be premature. However, if John reckons the war is nearly over and ASCN are gonna lose it... yeah its about the right time to talk of restructuring in a new post-war, post-ASCN environment. Do you see the logic here? The only sensible assumption from the wording in the blog is that the end is drawing near... this is what we are gonna do when ASCN is dead. There is a fine line between realism and jumping ship to save your behind during a war. It really depends on ones perception of how far gone ASCN are.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Havras Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Abriana Overlord Originally by: Kerkar Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Quote: Well that is one ASCN member coming in to the light no blaming haxploits etc Oh wow, maybe some have migrated to the acceptance stage.... Hey Xsiv... if you want to roll over and die then roll over and die, but do it quietly so those of us that want to fight this war and have fun can do so. If you are so bloody unhappy with ASCN... got a suggestion for you... RUN BACK TO EMPIRE. Bah. You are one of the ascn'ers I actually have some respect for as an fc. For all this crap, go talk to hc or whatever it is called now and muddle through the rhetoric to figure it out on your own. Amazingly they still waste time on it the subject when they could be just a bit more concentrated on the war. Then again, maybe they are actually considering bob's offer for withdrawal.... Nah that can't be, afterall what does hc have to lose? They got all their assets nicely tucked away, so why not use the rank and file who are flying in their own ships to delay the inevitable? And of course then the hc can say that they never quit, but in reality they never put any risk on the line except that of the rank and file. Ah the joys of an online game....
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:55:00 - [42] Unlike other members I won't post this anonymously. This kind of makes me sad, but only for some good people who gave their all to a cause that was lost before it started. EDF was my first 'real' EvE corp. On paper it seemed to be great for me. Part of a big 0.0 alliance, a corp for noob members to join while they got the skills needed for 0.0, and what seemed to be a competent pvp corp. I spoke to some members who seemed like good people, and joined EDF-A which was the noob corp, and really had some good times with the corp members. I looked forward to joining EDF proper. What I had a hint of, and dismissed, was John. You see John's computer had 'spyware' and he was out of game for the most part. Based on posts John knows very little about computers so perhaps this wasn't just a dodge to get eve time off (I mean christ I'm a biologist by training and even I know how to avoid losing my computer access for weeks at a time due to spyware). What it meant was while he seemed a bit like a chode on a few posts/encounters I figured anyone who was the CEO of such a large corp couldn't be a that bad. I was wrong. John had no clue how to handle people, and I could give examples but there is no point. Anyone with a clue who wasn't a director seemed to jump ship. I was still a noob, still in love with the game, and in a forum post on EDF forums (perhaps BoB could find it for me) I suggested that maybe there was too much yelling at people in the corp when it wasn't needed. (John and one director liked to yell). Anyways that post was ignored until an EDF-A member commented and then John 'had a talk' with me which was basically 30 mins of him flaming me, telling me how disapointed he was in me because I was one of the 'core' members. At that moment I quit EDF in name but had no where to go, a busy summer, and being it world cup season, John wasn't around again. I started being active again around August, but knew I couldn't take it anymore if I was going to be playing full time. It took me a while to move all my assets out, and I did try to join another ASCN corp, which made John flip out an threaten me with the great ASCN 'blacklist' and he threatened two rl friends of mine he never met who I was trying to get into that ASCN corp (and he threatened the corp, I have screen shots). So I sold my crap and got out of dodge. When Cyvok named John the 'Warleader' for the LV op (disaster) and then the BoB war, I knew the war was already lost. My guess is that the other CEO's of ASCN finally got fed up with him treating their members like crap and his constant screw ups so hes been forced out of any influence in the ASCN HC. His ego can't take that and now he wants to move EDF out of ASCN. In my 15+ years of online gaming, I've never met anyone like John, and Jebus willing, I never will again. On the plus side I've met some good people in EDF. Ironicly many of them are now in BoB or MC. Oh and John, just for the record, when one of us said 'They are not EDF material' what we meant was 'I like these people and I won't subject them to you as CEO.' or 'We know they won't put up with your crap so there is no point in recruiting them.'
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.18 03:46:00 - [43] New bob conspiracy theory, Sentinel Eeex says: "Out of curiosity (and to help me with petitioning process, if/when GM responds) - how many people died last night inside 4-2 POS shields, in 0OY? I know carrier was outside shields (as were few smaller ships), but BoB killed my Raven while I was inside shields. I saw them targeting me (yellow blinkie-blinkie), but attributed it to heavily bugged overview (there was lots of lag all night, I had gate blinking red on overview earlier, and similar things, had to refresh it few times). I ended up webbed+scrammed while I was inside shields (not "my wing is outside shields while rest is inside" type of inside, but "fully inside the shields without your ship parts being close to the edge"), and had BoB BSs pop me. I think I saw 2-3 more wrecks inside shields as well, even closer to tower than I was. Because I was stunned, I didn't take screenshots during the process of me dying (I was speechless, just stared at the screen - then tried to initiate warp when I was in structure, but was scrammed), but took few after I died. Did anyone take screenshots while BoB was poping us inside shields? So, when people look at killboard and think "we got spanked again"... we did, but by CCP - yet again. We did well on gate, lost 1 BS popped 2. Then things got crazy again, sigh. Since boobits were clever enough to smack in LOCAL about how we didn't setup POS properly, here is the question - have you ever managed to lock anything inside POS shields, while POS was fully functional and online? I know I haven't, even in POS owned by my corp or alliance. What could be possibly setup wrong, in order to let BoB lock+shoot us inside shields? And no, there was no password set, and they were not inside - they were 50km away, shooting." James Britanicus: "I find it remarkable that BoB always seem to "know stuff" LIke they knew that the Titan was dc'd and they knew that someone offlined POS's in gq2 and OOY, then they "knew" that on this specific day they would be able to target and kill people inside shields. Even while they were inside shields. hrrmmmm, I would never have thought to try. What they "know" is almost to unbelieveable. Wonder if they got a tip about the shields not having a pw set if in fact that is what happened. I am not even close to believing that after what happened last week anyone would be able to make such a stupid mistake..." -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.18 03:55:00 - [44] "Bob attacking pos's with 2 dreads and still no resistence in system" said Farham. Brunswick corrected him: "4 dreads" Farham: "Resistance was attempted and 30 ships were lost in X-7 getting to C9N" Gant Stryker is a bit depressed now: "AWECO in fact had 18 pilots in or heading to C9N at one point tonight. I am a combat pilot, I see alot of familiar faces every night when fighting. I wish I could see soem unfamiliar ones too. The familiar ones, the ones I have seen in TPAR, TCAG, GQ2, H8, AZN, C9N, etc. Aren't enough. 250 in Alliance. 10 in C9N fighting for their lives. 25 trying to break in from AZN. Do the math. I see that not enough people care if we lose C9N. I have always bene an optimist about this war. I fight 5-6 days a week on average. I keep hoping that something will break the lethargy. That people will show up and fight. I spent all of my saturday night in vain hope of making a difference. Is my spirit broken? No. I will be on again tomorrow to fight again. But I can guarantee, that if ASCN as a whole keeps "stepping up" at current levels, we will die a slow death, system by system." This is the end, my only friend, the end... -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:22:00 - [45] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 18/12/2006 04:25:02 How is this any different from ascn's standard operating practice? It is policy to petition every loss - just make up some lame excuse and see if it works. That is their modis operandi. It was even discussed on their forums that they should 'claim that their ships were within the pos shields even if they weren't'. This is the garbage that I and those like me spoke against; our frustration with getting some form of competent guidance has resulted in the past few days of forum turmoil. What did the leadership in ascn expect? Don't they realize that some of their members have lost enjoyment for the game and had enough? Anyhow, even today whilst waiting for my roles to expire, I was under personal attack from some members of EDF. Albeit I can understand some of their feelings seeing as they lack the ability of comprehension supported by the ruthless ascn propaganda, it was somewhat insulting to have been associated with a player group that acts in this manner. Once again, you don't know the people who you play with until a crisis occurs and this just further justifies my reasoning to leave. That isn't saying it was all of EDF, there are quite a few mature players, but those less mature have no understanding that this is just a game. If anything, the loss of ascn is a good thing for CCP. Just the reduction in pointless petitions should free up GM resources to be able to help players who have actual real gameplay problems. Anyhow, my tags should be off in around 10 hours at which point I will be glad to be removed from such insulance and be able to have a front row seat to the final destruction of this annoyance known as ascn.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Kugutsumen New bob conspiracy theory, Sentinel Eeex says: "Out of curiosity (and to help me with petitioning process, if/when GM responds) - how many people died last night inside 4-2 POS shields, in 0OY? I was part of that fight, and all the people killed show as outside the shields to us. We specifically had a cov-ops instructed to call primary on anyone who drifted out of the shields to help the carrier. In all honesty, we wouldn't have even bothered TRYING to lock someone inside the shields in the first place.
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 05:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Kugutsumen New bob conspiracy theory, Sentinel Eeex says: "Out of curiosity (and to help me with petitioning process, if/when GM responds) - how many people died last night inside 4-2 POS shields, in 0OY? The people we popped were all outside the shields, the quip in local was "how did bob get inside our shields?", we didne get inside your shields, some support were slightly entering them before being bounced off. Originally by: Kugutsumen So, when people look at killboard and think "we got spanked again"... we did, but by CCP - yet again. We did well on gate, lost 1 BS popped 2. Then things got crazy again, sigh. Just a comparison of ASCN members to BoB members, the two BoB BS that died at the gate, jumped through and didnt even load up just sat there with a black screen, and at least 15 other people emergency warped away. And ASCN wonders why? maybe all the ASCN drones that were pre-emptively deployed didnt help with lag! To which ASCN were crying "logoff" in local. So even with the 20 people that actually loaded we still scared your 40 off the gate. Now crying about loses. The 2 BoB BS loses werent petitioned and wont be petitioned, why because it is part of the game live with it. Now compare to ASCN who petitioned every lose in that system that night including excuses such as, "we were in the shields", my modules wouldnt activate immediately", "i couldnt warp away", etc. etc. stop whinging start fighting! Originally by: Kugutsumen James Britanicus: "I find it remarkable that BoB always seem to "know stuff" OMG, is that a light bulb going off? intelligence wins wars, look forward not back. stop complaining when you dont win, sit back think and analyse why and then avoid it from happening again. Too many ASCN members just want to sit and cry and blame any other then themselves. Originally by: Kugutsumen LIke they knew that the Titan was logged yes we use scanners and probes Originally by: Kugutsumen and they knew that someone offlined POS's in gq2 and OOY yes we use intelligence and counter intelligence Originally by: Kugutsumen then they "knew" that on this specific day they would be able to target and kill people inside shields. Even while they were inside shields. hrrmmmm, I would never have thought to try. You werent in the shields, if you never try you will never learn, sums up ASCN attitudes quite well. Originally by: Kugutsumen Wonder if they got a tip about the shields not having a pw set if in fact that is what happened. I am not even close to believing that after what happened last week anyone would be able to make such a stupid mistake..." And there it is eventually, GM HaX sploits, I dont know how they did it so they must be cheating. Seriously think, study, examine, test and then think some more. Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 05:20:00 - [48] I am willing to pay up to 8 silver shillings for membership in your fine bandwagon of bobbits and hobbits smacktalking ASCN in this thread! Pause this tomfoolery and pass me the bandwagon recruitment charter! -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.18 05:25:00 - [49] MK wins for using tomfoolery
Lister Black The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Masta Killa I am willing to pay up to 8 silver shillings for membership in your fine bandwagon of bobbits and hobbits smacktalking ASCN in this thread! Pause this tomfoolery and pass me the bandwagon recruitment charter! But- but- I thought that all AAA were Russians that couldn't speak proper English! Everything I know is a lie! ;) ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink
Mud Pandemonium Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:21:00 - [51] Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 18/12/2006 06:21:22 Perhaps everything you thought you knew about AAA was a horrid lie? It's hard to effectively insult your enemies when they don't understand Russian. That is where us english speaking folken come in.
cordy Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:33:00 - [52] Not sure this is a good idea to actually reply to all this. This is said as the real person behind cordy in friendship and not as a character that plays eve being in MC go pew pew etc. This is how i feel and see it as the person that i am and not the char since well real life friendship and love rules above any game and with all bad vibes here i wanna stand up for a real life friend. I know john for about a two years now. He was and still is a friend that stood by me in xetic aswell as ASCN. (Our friendship extends out of game same with alot of people from ASCN.) He might be hotheaded now and then but he does mean all well, not many of the new members he has nor all people that are flaming him here knows what he went thru with his corp. Everyone that is posting here with flames bad feelings adressed to him should wonder tho if he is really that bad of a ceo, flaming and getting nuts about his members how come EDF is still existing? What is wrong with any ceo/member of a corp is most people just look to make profit make a name for themselfs getting big fast, where is the getting to know people attitude? not many people are willing to do that. I know for one thing john tries but not everyone works with him. I can give other names that people really dont like but i dont see them here on the forums getting blamed flamed and all other things. I must admit that ,that most here are having a very unhealty intrest in EDF specially towards john. I do agree that both parties need a reality check and understand this is a game and you need to treat people with respect none the less what they do. To get on topic with what the OP posted, i do agree with john i would do the same in his place as people might have missed this is a worst case senario( when or if ascn should fall scenario), as much as i still love lots of people in ASCN its doomed to loose, having bob on your back seeing the disagreements and knowing the feelings its all xetic again, people lost the will to fight for their home one of the worst things you can have as an alliance under seige. Pull together and prove us wrong guys. Even tho i am out of ascn for a long time and being one of its leaders/upkeepers it hurts to see it degrade like thisn not cause of the alliance itself but cause of the great friendships i made in the past two years this goes for all friends i made the past (almost)three years being in eve its like a mother seeing her child die. this is my feeling that aint reflecting ingame but outside it. Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:12:00 - [53] Originally by: cordy He might be hotheaded now and then but he does mean all well, not many of the new members he has nor all people that are flaming him here knows what he went thru with his corp. Everyone that is posting here with flames bad feelings adressed to him should wonder tho if he is really that bad of a ceo, flaming and getting nuts about his members how come EDF is still existing? Due to open recruiting of anyone. After 8 months I was thought of as an 'old timer' by a lot of the membership. Thats not a good thing. Quote: What is wrong with any ceo/member of a corp is most people just look to make profit make a name for themselfs getting big fast, where is the getting to know people attitude? not many people are willing to do that. I know for one thing john tries but not everyone works with him. I can give other names that people really dont like but i dont see them here on the forums getting blamed flamed and all other things. I think you missed where things really went down hill, which was saddly right before I joined. Most people I talked to said this time last year is when John 'lost it'. Quote: I must admit that ,that most here are having a very unhealty intrest in EDF specially towards john. I do agree that both parties need a reality check and understand this is a game and you need to treat people with respect none the less what they do. Heh let me tell ya a story. I have two RL friends, both 35+ years old, who had been playing about 2 months less than myself. They wanted to get into 0.0 and wanted to join TOG (the older gamers) who were a Trial ASCN corp. Now by this time I was done with EDF but still in it. I decided to contact TOG and see if they would take all 3 of us (and I might add 2 other EDF members wanted to go as well for their own reasons, want to guess what those reasons were?). Since leaving EDF is like turning off your AOL and I hadn't been very active lately anyways I didn't tell John before I set up my move. This was a mistake as the TOG CEO did the normal thing which as talk to John to make sure I was ok. Well John went nuts, called me a coward for wanting to go to the safety of Pargon Soul (haha), and when I mentioned I had 2 friends who wanted to go to TOG and that I didn't think they would fit in EDF (I was being polite, he threatened me with the blacklist by this point and I had every one of my assets in ASCN space) he told me if they didn't join EDF as well he would give trouble to TOG since they were a trial corp and he was HC, yea I got it all screen shotted. Let me repeat, he THREATENED an ASCN corp if they took people he never met into their corp. Well obviously that was it in ASCN for me, but as I said I had all my stuff there and it was spread out so it took me a while to get it all melted and such. When you start feeling RL stress about a game, something is wrong, and I think thats why there is so much talk about John amoung us ex-EDFers, the guy knows how to really ** you off to the point it leaves the game. You are right this goes beyond the game, pew pew. He threatened friends of mine (not the 2 from before) with language that you werent' even sure if he was talking about EvE or not, he rarely followed through with promises, his first reaction to anything was to yell and ***, and he sucked the fun right out of the game. EDF's failures has only one source and thats not BoB or spies, or whatever. Its John himself. I'll give the directors credit for holding it together as well as they did. Most were very good people and I'm happy to stay in contact with many of them even now.
Dark Matter Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:19:00 - [54] Cordy have you entertained the notion that you could be wrong? Many people have similar experiences of John and his ways. You thankfully don't, John seems to treat people with female voices vastly different to those without. I'm not going into detail about my experiences, except suffice to say he made me his personal project for the simple reason I stood up to him nad told the truth. Both of which landed me in hot water, how things change The saddest thing of all is I've yet to see John apologise to anyone or take account of any of his actions, either towards individuals or the debacle that was his stewardship of ASCN. He's the worst example of a leader I've ever come across in or out of game.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 07:30:00 - [55] Well, this thread at least contributed to my sig \o/ Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Highlander Amarr Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Kugutsumen John the Hero is preparing for defeat: Quote: Eve Online Eve is undergoing a change in direction. I cannot go into full details without betraying a confidence but suffice to say, it is moving away from the hardcore Empire building and more into a casual gamer friendly enviroment. Eve Defence Force In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. We've built two Outposts, one of which was the fastest in Eve taking 10 days to build and less than one hour to raise the cash for it, the Other being Eve's first ever Amarr Outpost. We conquered one other in the Paragon Soul war. We've also been the largest corporation in Eve for over a year and at our peak, had a POS network of 38 POS, all producing Tech 2 Components. [...] 38 POS...? and he think thats good? Now i know why ASCN thought they could out produce us... They got no clue what large scale POS/Production is
cordy Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:46:00 - [57] Quote: Due to open recruiting of anyone. After 8 months I was thought of as an 'old timer' by a lot of the membership. Thats not a good thing. Um most corps have that, eve is growing so fast in population after a month or 4-5 you are an old timer :P Quote: I think you missed where things really went down hill, which was saddly right before I joined. Most people I talked to said this time last year is when John 'lost it'. Thats where your wrong i know where it went downhill i also do know why. Quote: Heh let me tell ya a story.... Hench why i said both sides need to treat eachother with respect none the less what they do :). And above all keep real life away from game although the boundry is very thin between the two. Its not only john but more people let RL affect their gameplay/attitude when something goes wrong in it. Now let me tell you one. Although i will be the first to admit that RL Threats dont belong in a game and people seem to think of eve as a real life game (they really need to get out more tbh). John got the same treatment that if what you say is true as he did with you and that was of other ascn corps when he pulled his mouth open and went against things. I know its wrong but people tend to treat others like they got treaten, mostly it isnt intentionally. Quote: I'll give the directors credit for holding it together as well as they did. Most were very good people and I'm happy to stay in contact with many of them even now. I fully agree with that. Quote: Cordy have you entertained the notion that you could be wrong? Many people have similar experiences of John and his ways. You thankfully don't, John seems to treat people with female voices vastly different to those without. I hope i understand this right so if not excuse me hehe . When i pulled john into xetic he didnt know i was a female, and i still had a very nice experience with him. He was a leader and he acted like that, i was back then in xetic just a guide but not one to take on without gloves. Heck half of eve doesnt/didnt know i was a female :p I must say tho a girl/woman has diffrent approaches to such things. Me personally dont have the ego boost of most guys that need the confirmation of a lion and his horde (this is where my english fails me lol) He knows if he bad mouths me i just throw it back at him. Quote: I'm not going into detail about my experiences, except suffice to say he made me his personal project for the simple reason I stood up to him nad told the truth. Both of which landed me in hot water, how things change The saddest thing of all is I've yet to see John apologise to anyone or take account of any of his actions, either towards individuals or the debacle that was his stewardship of ASCN. He's the worst example of a leader I've ever come across in or out of game. Dont get me wrong tho i know how people that left EDF feel and i agree with you noone has the right to downgrade you in any way (unless you want it :P), talked to lots of them and i will not really back him up how he treats people in certain ways he knows that but then again i do tell him when it goes the wrong way. The post i made was to back him up as a friend since any post that involves EDF isnt about EDF but about john personally, and everyone that knows me well knows i take friendship seriously. John had and still has a very rough time in real life and i agree with you all he looses the line between RL and game rather easy, but if you guys and all ex EDFers are so fed up with john and his corp just leave his corp but dont put a knife in his back when things like this get posted. Its something he shouldnt do too. After all this is just a game and to all out there , these words a very close friend to me said once and i remember those words each time i meet new people. This is just a game but there is a real person behind the screen with real feelings. Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
analev godder The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 08:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Eerhm, you did notice the stuff goign on in edf recently did you ? How about I tell you it wasn't a spy... Don't know the internal kitchen of EDF as it is not my concern. But turncoat or spy doesn't really matter both are underhand tactics. But i honestly wouldn't be surprised if it's the turncoat option.
weedmasta Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Vrizuh OMG, EDF IS SLIMMING DOWN AND LOOKING TO FIND ITS FOCUS AGAIN!? Isn't it a tad bit late for that?
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:09:00 - [60] Originally by: cordy Thats where your wrong i know where it went downhill i also do know why. As someone who has only seen the crap side of it, I'd love to hear why sometime. So far no one else seems to have a clue, and I've asked more than one.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:19:00 - [61] John McCreedy has failed enormously. He must be ASCN's biggest mistake by now. Not least because that Lord dude is still in ASCN. Dissent and open lines of communication to improve sure. But he is just an ass trying to destroy ASCN from within.
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:22:00 - [62] I think Creedy needs a serious medical checks and see what he's been injecting himself with. good K/D ratio?! what if they don't post loss mails :P biggest corp? not a chance. goonies are the biggest. Creedy is in his dreamworld again ------------------------------
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:33:00 - [63] if i where ASCN i would Kick EDF out before they do the we split thing as other ascn corps are known of ;). ASCN u are better off whitout EDF and John MegaEgoCry
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:49:00 - [64] Originally by: Sir JoJo if i where ASCN i would Kick EDF out before they do the we split thing as other ascn corps are known of ;). ASCN u are better off whitout EDF and John MegaEgoCry I would without doubt kick Lord XSiV and others in EDF that obvisly doesnt understand the basic's within corporation rules. Plan Neun "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:22:00 - [65] With ppl like you mcreedy ... bob had a easy job getting all that space they are taking . shame on you
Mihae Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:42:00 - [66] Quote: We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps It's a Kitty ffs!
Damion Rayne Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:43:00 - [67] I find it funny that so many people buy into these posts. EDF is not leaveing ASCN. Our CEO is well in charge of our Corporation and we do not forsee the defeat of ASCN anytime soon. Congrats on your abilities to steal something from our personal forums and display it to the public. Your a great person indeed. ASCN has not fallen, nor will it. EDF has not left, nor will it. You want more informaiton, well im sure you'll find a way to steal it. Oh and Lord Xsiv's posts do not reflect that of the corp. have fun ladies and gents. Believe what you will. Only time will tell the truth. Something that does not nor will not ever exist on these forums. ___________________ Damion Rayne EDF Eagle Legion XO
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Damion Rayne I find it funny that so many people buy into these posts. EDF is not leaveing ASCN. Our CEO is well in charge of our Corporation and we do not forsee the defeat of ASCN anytime soon. Congrats on your abilities to steal something from our personal forums and display it to the public. Your a great person indeed. ASCN has not fallen, nor will it. EDF has not left, nor will it. You want more informaiton, well im sure you'll find a way to steal it. Oh and Lord Xsiv's posts do not reflect that of the corp. have fun ladies and gents. Believe what you will. Only time will tell the truth. Something that does not nor will not ever exist on these forums. ___________________ Damion Rayne EDF Eagle Legion XO ASCN and EDF will however lose all their outposts. Dont you agree?
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:58:00 - [69] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Kugutsumen New bob conspiracy theory, Sentinel Eeex says: "Out of curiosity (and to help me with petitioning process, if/when GM responds) - how many people died last night inside 4-2 POS shields, in 0OY? In all honesty, we wouldn't have even bothered TRYING to lock someone inside the shields in the first place. I honestly think there is some sort of bug which CCP still havent managed to fix since RMR. I do remember one time during the V2 siege, that my ship was shot down inside the force field by sieging dread, and there wasnt even lag at the time (very few people were in grid). I was next to the control tower, my can was also verified to be inside the force field. Yet GM responce is the usual 'there are no logs blah blah'. If you interested, take a look in the killboard, kill id is 69762. Again not saying its hax/ploit whatever.. just some game bug which seems to be hard to track/document. Save Tranquility!
SARPIDON Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:00:00 - [70] I've flown with all the ex- EDF pilots now openly twisting the knife into John's back. I have one question for them. What is there to gain from spouting your feelings on a public forum? You didnt like it, you left. Happens to hundreds of people every day in hundreds of corps. Are you looking for celebrity status in a forum thats full of flamebait and crap. Well enjoy it. If you cant get it in game I guess here will have to do. Its not role-playing, its a reflection on your character. The person behind the avatar. That person makes the decision to spill his bleeding heart and make assumptions on John's rl and how he runs his corp. Have the balls and the guts to realize you came across something you cound'nt handle or like. make an adult decision to move on without drama and fanfare. Getting on a bandwagon with the look at me it was sooo awful how did I cope ( for over a year for some poor hard done by pilots) is pathetic. Its also letting down the guys you flew with who are still there. Who by default pace a certain trust in you as a person they have spent in game time with. You attack John, you attack EDF dont try and paint it in any other way. If its personal keep it personal
Roxy Kell Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:14:00 - [71] Roxanna kell here from alt. Well well well, I d love to say i told you so, regarding John Mccreedy, though no one listened, once i left EDF he even black listed me and all, with a lie about me banning people from EDF TS, he made all my friends block me. Now the picture is clearer, no you understand why I hated john McCreedy so much. i don't hate him now anymore, its over. Originally by: SARPIDON I've flown with all the ex- EDF pilots now openly twisting the knife into John's back. I have one question for them. What is there to gain from spouting your feelings on a public forum? You didnt like it, you left. Happens to hundreds of people every day in hundreds of corps. Are you looking for celebrity status in a forum thats full of flamebait and crap. Well enjoy it. If you cant get it in game I guess here will have to do. Its not role-playing, its a reflection on your character. The person behind the avatar. That person makes the decision to spill his bleeding heart and make assumptions on John's rl and how he runs his corp. Have the balls and the guts to realize you came across something you couldn't handle or like. make an adult decision to move on without drama and fanfare. Getting on a bandwagon with the look at me it was sooo awful how did I cope ( for over a year for some poor hard done by pilots) is pathetic. Its also letting down the guys you flew with who are still there. Who by default pace a certain trust in you as a person they have spent in game time with. You attack John, you attack EDF dont try and paint it in any other way. If its personal keep it personal my friend, John wasn't honest, he is a good person, but being honest is a big part of eve. He ow lots of people money, yet he always twisted the story, how many people quit EDF? how many of them quit on good terms, yet they re hated for quiting. Are all those people wrong? liars? bad apples? Something is wrong here, there is too much loyalty to john McCreedy, loyalty he surely doesn't deserve, I love the warrior leaders, or the strategic leaders, i don't like the poetic ones, his blogs were moral lifting at times yes, but moral alone won;t win you the war. you need strategic military superiority. I like EDF in a way, i think you could ve done better without the lias. Main: Roxanna Kell Alt: shing Shwang Shu Shy Shun yu
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:30:00 - [72] Edited by: Herculite on 18/12/2006 12:30:01 Originally by: SARPIDON I've flown with all the ex- EDF pilots now openly twisting the knife into John's back. I have one question for them. What is there to gain from spouting your feelings on a public forum? You didnt like it, you left. Happens to hundreds of people every day in hundreds of corps. Are you looking for celebrity status in a forum thats full of flamebait and crap. Well enjoy it. If you cant get it in game I guess here will have to do. Its not role-playing, its a reflection on your character. The person behind the avatar. That person makes the decision to spill his bleeding heart and make assumptions on John's rl and how he runs his corp. Have the balls and the guts to realize you came across something you cound'nt handle or like. make an adult decision to move on without drama and fanfare. Getting on a bandwagon with the look at me it was sooo awful how did I cope ( for over a year for some poor hard done by pilots) is pathetic. Its also letting down the guys you flew with who are still there. Who by default pace a certain trust in you as a person they have spent in game time with. You attack John, you attack EDF dont try and paint it in any other way. If its personal keep it personal For me its a bit of a catharthis and it should be a big warning sign for anyone thinking of joining EDF. I wish more people would speak their mind on these issues. It would have maybe saved me a bizzare and awful experiance. We put the names of corp thieves up here all the time, why not the names of god awful CEO's as well?
cordy Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: cordy Thats where your wrong i know where it went downhill i also do know why. As someone who has only seen the crap side of it, I'd love to hear why sometime. So far no one else seems to have a clue, and I've asked more than one. Tbh thats not up to me to tell you, if john wants you to know he'll tell you it himself. Trust gets you a long way and i will not be the one that breaks it :) Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
Ricarda M Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:11:00 - [74] Edited by: Ricarda M on 18/12/2006 13:11:25 But i hope EDF will defend 0-o6 ;-)
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:13:00 - [75] Originally by: Ricarda M Edited by: Ricarda M on 18/12/2006 13:11:25 But i hope EDF will defend 0-o6 ;-) If i'd have to guess, I'd say that you won't be seeing any EDF dreads defending any non-EDF systems from here on. The same probably goes for most of the ASCN corps now. I hope I'm wrong tho. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Al Franken The Liberal Media	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:28:00 - [76] First the jackals hound Cyvok until he leaves, now they have their targets set on McCreedy. I see what you did here.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:37:00 - [77] To be honest, all this ¿I love you BoB! I want to be a groupie too! Look! I TOO can access their private forums and post something about it! Make me yours!¿ is getting sick. GL to ASCN, EDF, BoB and the rest that actually FOUGHT this war. The rest of you... prepare to be shipped to the New World....
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:39:00 - [78] Edited by: thoth foc on 18/12/2006 13:38:51 Originally by: Al Franken First the jackals hound Cyvok until he leaves, now they have their targets set on McCreedy. I see what you did here. I rather doubt you see, if that is your assessment..
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:45:00 - [79] a guy from bob told me that they see more ASCN on the forums then in eve nowadays. funny :) and bob is equally much on the forums and in ASCN space. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:50:00 - [80] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/12/2006 13:50:38 Malken, You should see their internal forums from the beginning of this war. If everyone of the ASCN dudes that posted how to win this war had actually bothered to turn up to shoot us every once in a while we might have actually struggled a bit. We were talking about releasing "The ASCN files" at the end of the war showing the highlights from the ASCN's forums and maybe peeps could use it as a warning of how not to run an alliance. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:58:00 - [81] OMG, DBP! You are SO COOL! Your elite internet skills and connections to the ASCN forum are... WOW! hugs burps /emote is between the hangover and the need to sleep it off :P
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:36:00 - [82] I would also like to point out that during ASCN's last public appearance they looked foolish and unwitty. They bemused every gent in the room with their bad sense of dressing! Haw haw I say, haw haw! -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:46:00 - [83] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/12/2006 14:48:42 Originally by: DB Preacher We were talking about releasing "The ASCN files" at the end of the war showing the highlights from the ASCN's forums and maybe peeps could use it as a warning of how not to run an alliance. dbp You know thats a very good idea.. I really hope you will do that. Then at least ASCN will have at least served some useful purpose. i.e a warning to others. [edit:clarity]
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:48:00 - [84] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/12/2006 13:50:38 Malken, You should see their internal forums from the beginning of this war. i have seen it :P ive had access to their forums for a long long time :) Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.18 14:54:00 - [85] I'm amazed by now that noone has google bombed ASCN under the word failure. ASCN's problem has allways been its lack of decisive leadership and this war is proof of it. And as you can see with the loss of CYVOK's titan the entire house of cards is crumbling. ---- Originally by: Oveur on rigs Sure, np, it's only like ... the 6th time I say this here
Primer Xenius Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:14:00 - [86] Quote: I'm amazed by now that noone has google bombed ASCN under the word failure. ASCN's problem has allways been its lack of decisive leadership and this war is proof of it. And as you can see with the loss of CYVOK's titan the entire house of cards is crumbling. You want some credibility? Do 3-4 months of full scale war with BOB and then come back here. I'm getting sick of these armchair generals giving us advice but without the balls to show the community how its done. CLS-FLEET-ASCN
Roxy Kell Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:21:00 - [87] Originally by: Primer Xenius Quote: I'm amazed by now that noone has google bombed ASCN under the word failure. ASCN's problem has allways been its lack of decisive leadership and this war is proof of it. And as you can see with the loss of CYVOK's titan the entire house of cards is crumbling. You want some credibility? Do 3-4 months of full scale war with BOB and then come back here. I'm getting sick of these armchair generals giving us advice but without the balls to show the community how its done. I spoke to old EDF friends of mine, some want to leave some want to stay and fight to the last ISK. ASCN has good and bad players. Bad more than most, well at least BAD on the HC side of things. I would recommand people will show some respect to those who still stand and fight. I Roxanna KEll has always made fun of john and Cyvok, just because its funny. Though most of you are don't have much of a clue on who is who in ASCN. Get to know the bad apples id say. The last People to stay in ASCN to the last Station will eb those id respect the most. Unless they were in EDF< were people left it because of john;s behaviors rather than anything to do with Loyalty. Main: Roxanna Kell Alt: shing Shwang Shu Shy Shun yu
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:11:00 - [88] Originally by: Primer Xenius Quote: I'm amazed by now that noone has google bombed ASCN under the word failure. ASCN's problem has allways been its lack of decisive leadership and this war is proof of it. And as you can see with the loss of CYVOK's titan the entire house of cards is crumbling. You want some credibility? Do 3-4 months of full scale war with BOB and then come back here. I'm getting sick of these armchair generals giving us advice but without the balls to show the community how its done. i was in ASCN for abit awhile back and would gladly have given you some pointers but you started to tell me to exploit and i said nowai ill do that and left because i didnt want to be a exploiting lamer. the amount of crap your alliance spewed out because i said ** off to it was amazing, there was maybe 5 ppl in your whole alliance that actually thought it was wrong to exploit. with that said i have no doubt that your alliance will be history soon. Quote:** Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:15:00 - [89] and before any CLS muppet starts calling me insignificant and whatever is the trend to spew out here today. i was in Celestial Horizon before the corp excisted in eve and im sad that it has become what it has become. back then it was all for the team and not what it is today. today it is "why cant ppl let me suck roids in peace and just leave me alone" Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
reaTh Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:27:00 - [90] Edited by: reaTh on 18/12/2006 16:28:13 Originally by: Rikeka OMG, DBP! You are SO COOL! Your elite internet skills and connections to the ASCN forum are... WOW! hugs burps /emote is between the hangover and the need to sleep it off :P OMG, Rikeka! You are SO COOL! The fact that you need to post on the forums that your pi$sed you must be a nutta! Laughs Laughs again ______________________________________________ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:33:00 - [91] BOB is a group of players with the wrong concept of team work. Its about not what you did but what they did to themselves. BOB is no different than any Alliance in the game. I look forward to whats next for you. I hope ASCN and all its corps not look at this as defeat but a chance to kick out some carebears from their corps. New NPC Region
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:38:00 - [92] Edited by: Apollo Balthar on 18/12/2006 16:40:48 Edited by: Apollo Balthar on 18/12/2006 16:39:03 Originally by: SARPIDON I've flown with all the ex- EDF pilots now openly twisting the knife into John's back. I have one question for them. What is there to gain from spouting your feelings on a public forum? You didnt like it, you left. Happens to hundreds of people every day in hundreds of corps. Are you looking for celebrity status in a forum thats full of flamebait and crap. Well enjoy it. If you cant get it in game I guess here will have to do. Its not role-playing, its a reflection on your character. The person behind the avatar. That person makes the decision to spill his bleeding heart and make assumptions on John's rl and how he runs his corp. Have the balls and the guts to realize you came across something you cound'nt handle or like. make an adult decision to move on without drama and fanfare. Getting on a bandwagon with the look at me it was sooo awful how did I cope ( for over a year for some poor hard done by pilots) is pathetic. Its also letting down the guys you flew with who are still there. Who by default pace a certain trust in you as a person they have spent in game time with. You attack John, you attack EDF dont try and paint it in any other way. If its personal keep it personal Meh, all the whining in the world won't convince me if a guy like Riddlock speaks out on the forums against EDF. One of the most trustworthy and battlehardened pilots I met in my stint downsouth... Originally by: Riddlock With ppl like you mcreedy ... bob had a easy job getting all that space they are taking . shame on you Better ask yourself why these guys make it this personal. It might be JmcGreedy is, indeed, an arse. ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Havras Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Abriana Overlord Originally by: Kerkar Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Quote: Well that is one ASCN member coming in to the light no blaming haxploits etc Oh wow, maybe some have migrated to the acceptance stage.... Hey Xsiv... if you want to roll over and die then roll over and die, but do it quietly so those of us that want to fight this war and have fun can do so. If you are so bloody unhappy with ASCN... got a suggestion for you... RUN BACK TO EMPIRE. Bah. You are one of the ascn'ers I actually have some respect for as an fc. For all this crap, go talk to hc or whatever it is called now and muddle through the rhetoric to figure it out on your own. Amazingly they still waste time on it the subject when they could be just a bit more concentrated on the war. Then again, maybe they are actually considering bob's offer for withdrawal.... Nah that can't be, afterall what does hc have to lose? They got all their assets nicely tucked away, so why not use the rank and file who are flying in their own ships to delay the inevitable? And of course then the hc can say that they never quit, but in reality they never put any risk on the line except that of the rank and file. Ah the joys of an online game.... Xsiv, I'll never pretend I agreed with everything HC said or did in the war. But you know what you do when that is the case? You step up to the plate and do it yourself. That is how I got to BE an FC in the first place. Slapping people down doesn't wake them up or help matters any and definitely doesn't help you. P.S. Did I ever mention that 4 days without power and no EVE sucks?
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:41:00 - [94] Originally by: Harisdrop BOB is a group of players with the wrong concept of team work. Its about not what you did but what they did to themselves. BOB is no different than any Alliance in the game. I look forward to whats next for you. I hope ASCN and all its corps not look at this as defeat but a chance to kick out some carebears from their corps. I heard your next. -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Ritchler Gallente Proof Or Stfu	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:44:00 - [95] who cares
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:52:00 - [96] Originally by: Rikeka To be honest, all this ¿I love you BoB! I want to be a groupie too! Look! I TOO can access their private forums and post something about it! Make me yours!¿ is getting sick. On the Axiom Empire forums, Rikeka declared: "I like to post on the EvE-Forums, mainly to **** on the forum warriors of certain alliances that post too much... Hell, some of their alliance mates reply me back in game telling me I`m right. But aside of that, the AXE command should pay a lot of attention to the forums in search of AXE peeps that can`t fight back properly there and remove them (from the forums, I mean)" Rikeka, the forum warrior :) -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Sparta	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:11:00 - [97] " Originally by: KugutsumenNew bob conspiracy theory, Sentinel Eeex says: "Out of curiosity (and to help me with petitioning process, if/when GM responds) - how many people died last night inside 4-2 POS shields, in 0OY? I was part of that fight, and all the people killed show as outside the shields to us. We specifically had a cov-ops instructed to call primary on anyone who drifted out of the shields to help the carrier. In all honesty, we wouldn't have even bothered TRYING to lock someone inside the shields in the first place." Actually, my BS was 500m from the tower "on approach" so I could not be knocked by mistake. It was there prior to the BoB fleet warp in on the POS. And, my ship was locked and destroyed. I attributed the loss to either a bug due to a gun anchoring or the fact a few of my squad members where outside the shield. Who know. I do not really care about losing a few pixels to combat; however, it is irritating to lose a ship to a bug. Now if you had the password all the ships in the shield would be dead. Its just a game guys. I enjoy our interactions and the game content we make with the war. Bugs are unfortunate.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:11:00 - [98] Edited by: welsh wizard on 18/12/2006 19:12:01 nm Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:20:00 - [99] Originally by: Kugutsumen Originally by: Rikeka To be honest, all this ¿I love you BoB! I want to be a groupie too! Look! I TOO can access their private forums and post something about it! Make me yours!¿ is getting sick. On the Axiom Empire forums, Rikeka declared: "I like to post on the EvE-Forums, mainly to ** on the forum warriors of certain alliances that post too much... Hell, some of their alliance mates reply me back in game telling me I`m right. But aside of that, the AXE command should pay a lot of attention to the forums in search of AXE peeps that can`t fight back properly there and remove them (from the forums, I mean)" Rikeka, the forum warrior :) I think I posted that on the EOG forums, not in the AXE forums. Could be wrong, though. Still... DUDE! You are SOOO cool: YOU have access to the EOG and/or AXE forums! Kugutsumen for president. BTW, I still stand for what I said earlier: (aside of the ¿I want to have DBP¦s children¿) I still think some people on this forums see the BOB victories as their own, while they have no purpose on threads like this whatsoever. Originally by:** reaTh Edited by: reaTh on 18/12/2006 16:28:13 Originally by: Rikeka OMG, DBP! You are SO COOL! Your elite internet skills and connections to the ASCN forum are... WOW! hugs burps /emote is between the hangover and the need to sleep it off :P OMG, Rikeka! You are SO COOL! The fact that you need to post on the forums that your pi$sed you must be a nutta! Laughs Laughs again See? I like this kind of reply more. Replying to this fine gentleman will be a pleasure: ¿Yes¿ http://eve-files.com/dl/77020 Limits for signatures are 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes. Please fix your signature. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:28:00 - [100] Originally by: Herculite ... On the plus side I've met some good people in EDF. Ironicly many of them are now in BoB or MC. ... Word bro'. siggy Res - It speaks for itself in a misspelled kind of way
Lord XSiV Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:55:00 - [101] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 18/12/2006 20:10:43 Originally by: Damion Rayne I find it funny that so many people buy into these posts. EDF is not leaveing ASCN. Our CEO is well in charge of our Corporation and we do not forsee the defeat of ASCN anytime soon. Congrats on your abilities to steal something from our personal forums and display it to the public. Your a great person indeed. ASCN has not fallen, nor will it. EDF has not left, nor will it. You want more informaiton, well im sure you'll find a way to steal it. Oh and Lord Xsiv's posts do not reflect that of the corp. have fun ladies and gents. Believe what you will. Only time will tell the truth. Something that does not nor will not ever exist on these forums. ___________________ Damion Rayne EDF Eagle Legion XO Ah, the emo leader speaks! :) Actually if you had noticed, I laid off EDF and only spoke about ascn as an alliance. I even went out of my way to state that I won't speak about EDF on the forums so long as it wasn't pushed by EDF as an issue. For the most part that has held and if you will notice, it is other people talking about EDF and it isn't me making those statements. Of course I don't speak for the corp and never claimed to, however as things get leaked from the EDF forums on a regular basis, I don't even have to as those speak for themselves. My thoughts on EDF leadership have been made quite clear internally. If John wants to take the advice he was given and change, well he deserves that chance. That is about as far as I would go with that. One of the biggest problems I have observed is that members take the game way too seriously. Just from this little exercise I have been referred to as some very derogatory terms (I would say names, but they started using metaphors and analogies) just for speaking my mind about the alliance. Typical threats ensued (Hi Thist/k starwind/Jesus/Robbie Boozecruise/alt of the day!) which all go to show how emotionally involved these people are. That is a huge warning sign to get out. Failure to be able to seperate real life emotions from those of personnas in an online game is a classic mental flaw that can be traced back to the old irc days when it first arrived on the scene. People who don't have that ability end up getting too wrapped up in a game, start doing very silly things and will generally make gameplay miserable for those aorund them. Step back, realize it is just a game and have some fun with it. You have no right to dictate what is the correct playstyle and you have to acknowledge that others pay the same subscription to have fun as they see it. Repeat again, and ascn hc you need to realize this, You do not dictate how people are to play Eve..... Anyhow, I still have corps tickers seeing as someone doesn't know how to remove a member from a corp it seems. I am not the only one to experience this problem over from this corp over the past week so either someone just doesn't know how to do it or is still trying to grasp on to some form of hope that I will make some reversal. As I have already removed myself, once available to remove myself form the corp, I will do so. (w00 h00, it finally went through!:) Anyhow it was fun guys. Should be interesting to find out who else speaks out.
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:21:00 - [102] Originally by: Harisdrop BOB is a group of players with the wrong concept of team work. Its about not what you did but what they did to themselves. BOB is no different than any Alliance in the game. I look forward to whats next for you. I hope ASCN and all its corps not look at this as defeat but a chance to kick out some carebears from their corps. OMG i laughed so hard. Do you write your own material? Also i heard there are clues for sale in Jita, maybe should check it out sometime _______________________________________
SARPIDON Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:01:00 - [103] Originally by: Lord XSiV Edited by: Lord XSiV on 18/12/2006 20:10:43 You have no right to dictate what is the correct playstyle and you have to acknowledge that others pay the same subscription to have fun as they see it. Repeat again, and ascn hc you need to realize this, You do not dictate how people are to play Eve..... Personally I think your wrong. When you sign up to a corp / alliance you sign up to there playing style and leardership style. They DO get to tell you how to play EvE. Thats the path you chose when you pressed accept offer!! Your not freelancing you time. The way ASCN is run, dictatorship / military style is common knowledge. You dont like it you leave. That simple. What you dont do is stick around for a few months (peace time - rich picking in those roid fields ehh?) have the odd moan, sit on the fence see how the cards play out and when you think its all over bail, have a public tantrum and make yourself look the way you have.
Mad'Mike Banks Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:55:00 - [104] Originally by: reaTh Edited by: reaTh on 18/12/2006 16:28:13 Originally by: Rikeka OMG, DBP! You are SO COOL! Your elite internet skills and connections to the ASCN forum are... WOW! hugs burps /emote is between the hangover and the need to sleep it off :P OMG, Rikeka! You are SO COOL! The fact that you need to post on the forums that your pi$sed you must be a nutta! Laughs Laughs again He sounds liek an RKK chav in the making
Dark Matter Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 04:36:00 - [105] Originally by: SARPIDON Originally by: Lord XSiV Edited by: Lord XSiV on 18/12/2006 20:10:43 You have no right to dictate what is the correct playstyle and you have to acknowledge that others pay the same subscription to have fun as they see it. Repeat again, and ascn hc you need to realize this, You do not dictate how people are to play Eve..... Personally I think your wrong. When you sign up to a corp / alliance you sign up to there playing style and leardership style. They DO get to tell you how to play EvE. Thats the path you chose when you pressed accept offer!! Your not freelancing you time. The way ASCN is run, dictatorship / military style is common knowledge. You dont like it you leave. That simple. What you dont do is stick around for a few months (peace time - rich picking in those roid fields ehh?) have the odd moan, sit on the fence see how the cards play out and when you think its all over bail, have a public tantrum and make yourself look the way you have. Actually Sarp, what you signed up for isn't the sort of corp you've found yourself in now, it's changed alot. What you now find yourself in is a fantasy miltary corp set up by a bored office worker that bears no relation to the real thing, the dictatorship part still fits though. The fact that you think a dictatorship is beneficial to ASCN/EDF is a major contributor to its downfall. I much prefer the strategic goals of Bob and the freedom we have as individuals to implement them. The freedom we have means we have a pool of willing players that don't need to be chided into action as evidenced by our extremely high participation rates. I've seen it from both sides our leaders lead by example, a people like John think it's enough to bark orders from a station in Aridia away from all the fighting. Having said that, there are some good CEO's in ASCN and one outstanding one in the form of Tesa Yor, contrast how she treats her corp members to John/EDF's and look at the corp participation rates. As for twisting the knife in John's back I take great delight in doing so, I spent several months through the summer with John on my heels threatening and cajoling the people that helped me out, I'm extremely glad that he's no longer in a position to do so. When ASCN falls there will be nowhere for John or EDF to go, it'll be curtains for the corp another ignominous footnote in Eve's history, with his and his corps credibility in tatters the only place left will be empire. I told a few of the directors this, it's up to them to make the best choice for themselves, I for one wouldn't blame them for leaving EDF.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:19:00 - [106] Originally by: Kugutsumen New bob conspiracy theory, Sentinel Eeex says: "Out of curiosity (and to help me with petitioning process, if/when GM responds) - how many people died last night inside 4-2 POS shields, in 0OY? You're a sad case, honestly. I'll never understand how so many people can be obsessed with ASCN, to go as far as posting things from private forums (mods here seem to love it too). Lack of attention in real-life, I guess. I can understand that. Forum attention is a good substitute, that's been scientifically proven. Got popped by Moros tonight, while I was in a Griffin - got locked by a dread, in a frig, within 5 seconds of leaving shield, and drones aggressed + popped me. Wonder if I should post another conspiracy theory, huh? They must be haxoring again. Or wait - BoB haxored my "MANAGE POS" screen, so I had to warp out and back in to POS, repeatedly, in order to update + see POS shield status. It was probably easier to just ask BoB dreads what the shields were like. Or hold on - my overview gets completely empty, not even gates show up on it anymore, in the middle of the battle - I have to relog. BoB haxored it again. Oh, how could I forget that BoB haxors gates, so they (conveniently) get emergency warpouts when their fleet jumps into dictor bubble. Oh, our ships died while being stuck in jump queue, so BoB could pick them one-by-one - haxoring proof again. Blah, blah, blah. Fun in this game is getting interrupted all the time. All the damn time. By bugs (and gremlins, I guess). It's CCP and their buggy-to-hell game that is ****ing me off, not BoB - get a damn clue, and learn to read. Actually, getting a life might be better. I am seriously starting to beleive CCP won't be able to ever "fix" EVE again. It just grew too big, they're simply duct-tape patching it and keeping it from falling apart. Like it happened with so many pieces of software. Dear God, and I thought BF2 "community" was worst in the universe... I was so wrong.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:24:00 - [107] BF community sucks 100x times than the EvE one... or at least used to... http://eve-files.com/dl/77020 Limits for signatures are 400x120 pixels and 24,000 bytes. Please fix your signature. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:37:00 - [108] Originally by: Ab Initio I was part of that fight, and all the people killed show as outside the shields to us. We specifically had a cov-ops instructed to call primary on anyone who drifted out of the shields to help the carrier. In all honesty, we wouldn't have even bothered TRYING to lock someone inside the shields in the first place. Since I've already bothered reading this thread and answering to something else - let me make this simple. I was 1000% inside shields, was placed 1km off the edge or so (and I'd know how to be placed, since I've been doing lots of POS staring in past few weeks). Was having a smoke and chatting in RL, while glancing at screen and not touching mouse or anything. I was not bumped, my speed was at 0 at all times, when I was seeing yellow blinks I triplechecked my position and atributed it to overview glitch, then I just stared at screen when things turned red. Tried warping out when armor went into red, but I was scrammed. Inside the shields. So, what I saw and what someone else saw - was different. Bottom line? I have no trouble with BoB shooting and killing me there. BoB can't make my ship appear outside shields. CCP bugs can. You just took advantage of the situation. I'm upset with CCP, not with BoB for shooting me. I had lots of fun that night, and after experiencing things like this - I just lose the interest in playing the game. You haxors ruined my gaming experience
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:37:00 - [109] Originally by: cordy Quote: Heck half of eve doesnt/didnt know i was a female :p with that being said, can i get you mobile phone number, i changed my card so i lost all old ones i had :P and when we will finally go to that drink? To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
cordy Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:52:00 - [110] Originally by: Hey You Originally by: cordy Quote: Heck half of eve doesnt/didnt know i was a female :p with that being said, can i get you mobile phone number, i changed my card so i lost all old ones i had :P and when we will finally go to that drink? You lost my number again, thought you would remember it out of your head by now :P I am available next weekend just bring the whip i gave you last time Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.19 13:23:00 - [111] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Ab Initio I was part of that fight, and all the people killed show as outside the shields to us. We specifically had a cov-ops instructed to call primary on anyone who drifted out of the shields to help the carrier. In all honesty, we wouldn't have even bothered TRYING to lock someone inside the shields in the first place. Since I've already bothered reading this thread and answering to something else - let me make this simple. I was 1000% inside shields, was placed 1km off the edge or so (and I'd know how to be placed, since I've been doing lots of POS staring in past few weeks). Was having a smoke and chatting in RL, while glancing at screen and not touching mouse or anything. I was not bumped, my speed was at 0 at all times, when I was seeing yellow blinks I triplechecked my position and atributed it to overview glitch, then I just stared at screen when things turned red. Tried warping out when armor went into red, but I was scrammed. Inside the shields. So, what I saw and what someone else saw - was different. Bottom line? I have no trouble with BoB shooting and killing me there. BoB can't make my ship appear outside shields. CCP bugs can. You just took advantage of the situation. I'm upset with CCP, not with BoB for shooting me. I had lots of fun that night, and after experiencing things like this - I just lose the interest in playing the game. You haxors ruined my gaming experience they offlined it while u were there - its a act of rebellion against ASCNs original tactical error in not attacking NOL and right in thro aridia ( if they had have hit there several bob peeps have admitted to me it would have hit their tech 2 production centre and really hit BOB hard as it was ASCN hit from the south then the north) walked up against a wall and lost from day one same with goonfleet to fight BOB u need to get in thro ARIDIA and hit empu the middle These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 14:30:00 - [112] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/12/2006 14:31:59 Ollobrains/Ms Overlord/that other clueless alt of yours, NOL-M9 is not our t2 production centre. Now, can we move out of your fantasy land and into COAD reality again ? You will not nor ever have talked to any BoB members, BoB directors, or BoB "lapdogs" ok ? RAGOON is not our next target, D2 is nto uor enxt target, If what I know about BoB is anything to go by the roids in Delve are going to be our next target. Please refrain from existing from here on, thank you. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Toranya Faidutti Gallente White Nova Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:20:00 - [113] Originally by: SARPIDON Originally by: Lord XSiV Edited by: Lord XSiV on 18/12/2006 20:10:43 You have no right to dictate what is the correct playstyle and you have to acknowledge that others pay the same subscription to have fun as they see it. Repeat again, and ascn hc you need to realize this, You do not dictate how people are to play Eve..... Personally I think your wrong. When you sign up to a corp / alliance you sign up to there playing style and leardership style. They DO get to tell you how to play EvE. Thats the path you chose when you pressed accept offer!! Your not freelancing you time. The way ASCN is run, dictatorship / military style is common knowledge. You dont like it you leave. That simple. What you dont do is stick around for a few months (peace time - rich picking in those roid fields ehh?) have the odd moan, sit on the fence see how the cards play out and when you think its all over bail, have a public tantrum and make yourself look the way you have. Originally by: SARPIDON Originally by: Lord XSiV Edited by: Lord XSiV on 18/12/2006 20:10:43 You have no right to dictate what is the correct playstyle and you have to acknowledge that others pay the same subscription to have fun as they see it. Repeat again, and ascn hc you need to realize this, You do not dictate how people are to play Eve..... Personally I think your wrong. When you sign up to a corp / alliance you sign up to there playing style and leardership style. They DO get to tell you how to play EvE. Thats the path you chose when you pressed accept offer!! Your not freelancing you time. The way ASCN is run, dictatorship / military style is common knowledge. You dont like it you leave. That simple. What you dont do is stick around for a few months (peace time - rich picking in those roid fields ehh?) have the odd moan, sit on the fence see how the cards play out and when you think its all over bail, have a public tantrum and make yourself look the way you have. Sarp, I think you are both right and wrong. A person does know when they sign on that EDF is a military dictatorship. This much is true. They are told that there is a strict chain of command that must be followed. What they don't know and are left to find out for themselves after they join is the way members of the corp are treated by the CEO. There are military dictatorships where the leaders are beloved by their troops because they know how much their leaders care for them; despite their leaders making unilateral decisions, they make an effort to show their troops that their thoughts and actions are appreciated, and they talk to their members with respect. Contrast this with a situation where the military leader says something to the effect of "No, we're doing it my way, who do you think you are to think you might know better than me, I'm locking this thread and banning the next person to make this suggestion" when suggestions or constructive criticisms are made. The "Honour and Respect" in EDF's mantra are just words that the CEO likes to say but saying doesn't make it so. Heck, he said in a convo that he was "about ready to kill me". Was that in-game or real life? I don't know, but I sure as heck wasn't going to stick around to find out. (Chat log can be provided by request). Obviously, you've either never been the target of this type of behavior from the EDF CEO, or maybe it just brushes off you when you are. I don't know which it is. But I think the numbers of people that it has not brushed off of speak for themselves. Note - my comments only apply to the CEO. Most of the directors and team leads (and the other "regular folk" like myself) that I worked with in EDF are wonderful folks that I would be happy to work with again, and do hope to work with again. I'm in a wonderful corp now and just happen to be a recruiting officer...
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:27:00 - [114] Originally by: Kugutsumen Originally by: Harisdrop BOB is a group of players with the wrong concept of team work. Its about not what you did but what they did to themselves. BOB is no different than any Alliance in the game. I look forward to whats next for you. I hope ASCN and all its corps not look at this as defeat but a chance to kick out some carebears from their corps. I heard your next. I heard ur not important enough to be on the "who is next list" that molle keeps below his pillow.
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:45:00 - [115] Edited by: Kugutsumen on 19/12/2006 19:45:34 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 I heard ur not important enough to be on the "who is next list" that molle keeps below his pillow. Mr Gyro of Triop... I like your D2 IC post on the topic: "then his plan works Cyvok is kind of the manipulating guy. His skill of leadership is based on probagande and spreading wrong information to his members to keep those atached to him. Which means in other words that he is looking for warm words like "STAY PLS WE NEED U" which will come from the cyvok fainboiz. He is like a typical wow raid leader, and i dont mean the "******* 50DKP minus" guy, he makes him the center of the universe, with ppl being his sheeps. With the lose of his titan, which will probally not be reimbursed, cause a power failure or not knowing of the game mechanics is not an exploit or a reason to reimburse. Maybe some members lost faith in him so he need an action to get this faith back - and pretending to leave and being exausted is a good base. So I guess he is looking for a way to do so, and thats probally a good idea, with this text, about his childhood and so on ppl starting to get emo about him. And as an Alliance leader his alliance is going to fail without him, not that they are doing well with him, but there is alway a worse in doing bad. But i doubt that he will leave cause he is absolut addicted to eve and ASCN. But when i guess some ppl are gettin a bottle of crystal and having sex that night Personaly ive dealt with him on a few events, and id can say from my point of view he is no lose too ascn or eve, his blogs where all about the other cheating or haxxeroing and that ascn is so damn great whatnot. But always not hitting the nail on the head, if u have raed some of his blogs u know what it is about. And ascn Hobbits belived him and followed him. He probally has invested an insane amount of time into ascn which is now close to become worthless, cause his "industriel power house" is falling appart cause ppl playing eve about isk are checking theier sucsess by the amount of isk on their wallet and when u lose ships u lose isk, so well the power house is not what ppl keep thinking. ASCN is and will be a place for carebearing and ppl having billions on their personal wallet not undocking when needed. Ive said to turk when we knew about the titan "ACSN is the first to lose a titan" cause ascn has no clue about the game, why floating in an hostile space when being worthless in ur uber titan... When Cyvok is realy leaving id guess this will happen - Exodus, tons of ppl leaving ascn or going towards empire cause cyvok left such a whole in the alliance, nobody has a clue about the leading and he is the one holding stuff together with him gone, the alliance will fall apart in no time. Check imp when XIRT left for a few weeks within 48h after his departure 50% of corps and ppl left. - BOB will take most of the ascn space, another alliance will be founded, looking like ascn, smeeling like ascn and being an BoB puppet. From my point of view, ASCN is absolut down now which means before 2007 they will be gone, which puts up in the line of fire for bob, so we have to be aware that before xmas we might get company in certain system where we dont need any tourists, this whole war was good for us cause we where able to deal with our stuff but this time is close to be over so its again time to put effort into home defense and have a close eye on movment. I wouldnt be supprised if we get a huge invasion during the holidays, cause that is when thousands of ppl sitting bored at home having nothing to do, and killing the rest of ascn should then be no big deal for bob and probally not the first priorety." -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Raindrop LittleHauling Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:49:00 - [116] Oh well i guess i'll write down a bit. Been there done that. To all whino's in this thread. If the corp you're in isn't moving the way you think it should then you can adress it with management and if there is no change planned, you should leave. Simple as that. It's a game after all. Move on. I did and at one time I was in EDF too. When i wanted to leave there was a minor issue with roles being granted, despite my decision, keeping me in corp a little longer than planned but the people were smart enough to not stop me in the end. Bottom line: If you don't like it change it or leave. Get over it. It's a game. Coming here to vent your dislikes which could have easily been avoided had you taken matters in your own hands is just silly m-kay. Raindrop 100% Carebear and loving it. Collector of junk and leftovers. NPC and low end minerals trader. Hauler.
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:42:00 - [117] Edited by: Kugutsumen on 20/12/2006 01:42:45 This is weird ... this thread was locked by Concord and now it isn't. Thanks Bob. Anyway... to clear up the bull**, John wants me to tell you that: "O.K. here's the deal. This will be a heartfelt and no-bull**, straight to the point post to clear up the rumours. EDF is really disillusioned with what ASCN has become, much like I suspect many of you have. There was once a time when people where afraid to come to our space because we'd ALL - Miners, NPCers and PvPers alike would blob them up and kill them. This peaked in EC-P where we managed to blob up a system for 5 days. Somewhere along the line, things changed for the worse. Corps started doing their own thing, ASCN stopped working as a team, we became too industrial etc. The list goes on. Each and everyone of us is somewhat responsible for that so I will not aportion blame to any one person. So like I say, I have a lot od disillusioned members. Again, I suspect this is not unlike most of our corps. So we're currently discussing our future in ASCN. Assuming we win the war, we may leave. We may stay. It all depends upon the direction ASCN takes post-war. There's the key words though - post-war. We are not abdoning our home during war time. We will continue the fight until there is nothing left to fight for. Any decision that's to be taken, Virt will be given advanced notice of it. What I want from ASCN is simple - I want to see ASCN relearn those principles we where founded on. Everyone fights. Everyone. I want an end to POS sitting. I want an end to our reactionary stance to BoB. I want an end to the sitting on our arses and doing nothing. If we get that camaraderie spirit we had in the early days then I want to be part of it again. If this happens then we'll stay. If it doesn't then we'll leave. It's really that simple. Nothing sinister, nothing underhanded and nothing done until the war is over one way or another." -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Ronja Mistysdottir Norsk Gruvedrift	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:01:00 - [118] Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Wish cyvok had been first to post though with a pic or something just saying "ooops". I think, ASCN should kick your spying ass out of the alliance. CYVOK's titan died due to faulty game mechanics and bugs, and should be reimbursed.
Ace Customer Caldari Pair O' Dice	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:33:00 - [119] ASCN has a string of accomplishments unders it's belt. You guys will be the only Alliance that will ever be able to say you built the first Titan. You are now facing probably the greatest fleet vs. fleet alliance in the game, and you've been doing so for many weeks now. Whether you win this, or loose, you all have something to be proud of. So in a nutshell act like it. These forums are not the place to air dirty laundry, if you are going to fail, do so in a way that will give everyone around this place room to pause. It's better to go down with your chin up, and prove to everyone you are the great alliance that you are, than to stay up by breaking apart at the seams. BoB wants to do away with you, so make em do it, don't do it for them. I wish both of your alliances luck in the future. "You keep using that word.... I do not think it means what you think it means." -The Princess Bride-
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.20 09:34:00 - [120] Originally by: Ronja Mistysdottir Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Wish cyvok had been first to post though with a pic or something just saying "ooops". I think, ASCN should kick your spying ass out of the alliance. CYVOK's titan died due to faulty game mechanics and bugs, and should be reimbursed. faulty game mechanics?? what have you been smoking? he says on TS that he is logging off and anyone with rudimentary math skills(im sure some of you have that) could figure out that he had about 2-3min of aggro timer left. when you log off with a active aggro timer you will stay in space for 15min, this fact has been known for a long time now. he got probed and killed. is CCP at fault?, no everyone with atleast some kind of general knowledge of game mechanics knows that this is how it works. if you dont have that level of knowledge then perhaps running L2 missions in empire is more your thing then 0.0 space. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.20 09:42:00 - [121] Originally by: Ronja Mistysdottir Originally by: Kerkar 0oy was lost to underhand tactics, namely bob spy offline our POSs. Titan was lost fair n square to a small oops :) Wish cyvok had been first to post though with a pic or something just saying "ooops". I think, ASCN should kick your spying ass out of the alliance. CYVOK's titan died due to faulty game mechanics and bugs, and should be reimbursed. Oh my lord....that would destroy EVERYTHING right there. The Forums would overload and explode causing a chain reaction that COULD destroy EVERYTHING that exsists. Do you know nothing of Karma?
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.21 03:42:00 - [122] BOB might do well to spread its wings start to rotate some of its gangs give ASCN a small break but keep some pressure up and the war could be more fun that way These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 03:52:00 - [123] Originally by: Mad'Mike Banks Originally by: reaTh Edited by: reaTh on 18/12/2006 16:28:13 Originally by: Rikeka OMG, DBP! You are SO COOL! Your elite internet skills and connections to the ASCN forum are... WOW! hugs burps /emote is between the hangover and the need to sleep it off :P OMG, Rikeka! You are SO COOL! The fact that you need to post on the forums that your pi$sed you must be a nutta! Laughs Laughs again He sounds liek an RKK chav in the making One time Blacklight told some american who asked what a "chav" was the truth about reaTh... "reaTh is BoBs chav" Hectic runs and hides from the wrath of the teabaggers! Listen to BoB Radio!!* WELCOME BACK MGRL
Kugutsumen Fountain Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:59:00 - [124] John finally leaves: "I'm sorry to have to make this statement at Christmas but since our forum is comprimised, I have little choice in the timing. I regret to inform you all that EDF will be leaving ASCN shortly for pastures new. We won't be joining another Alliance for the foreseeable future, rather we'll be downsizing to a collection of friends where everyone in the corp knows each other; everyone fights; everyone helps another member get something they need. We've fought as long as we could but in the end there comes a time where you need to make a decision that's based upon what's best for your corp. This is best for EDF. I hope when we leave, I can still call many of you friend and that we go on good terms. We'll be leaving once some loose ties have been taken care of. Thank you all for the fun, take care and CEOs, do what's right for your corp." John the Coward! -- Infiltration, Alliance Removal, Genocide, Psychological Warfare... "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:11:00 - [125] Originally by: Rod Blaine If what I know about BoB is anything to go by the roids in Delve are going to be our next target. I can't resist... OMG BOB GOES AFTER TEH EASY TARGETS!!!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:13:00 - [126] Originally by: Ace Customer ASCN has a string of accomplishments unders it's belt. You guys will be the only Alliance that will ever be able to say you built the first Titan. You are now facing probably the greatest fleet vs. fleet alliance in the game, and you've been doing so for many weeks now. Whether you win this, or loose, you all have something to be proud of. So in a nutshell act like it. These forums are not the place to air dirty laundry, if you are going to fail, do so in a way that will give everyone around this place room to pause. It's better to go down with your chin up, and prove to everyone you are the great alliance that you are, than to stay up by breaking apart at the seams. BoB wants to do away with you, so make em do it, don't do it for them. I wish both of your alliances luck in the future. Great post. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
etheris Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:49:00 - [127] Edited by: etheris on 24/12/2006 17:58:23 Edited by: etheris on 24/12/2006 17:51:14 Edited by: etheris on 24/12/2006 17:50:38 Edited by: etheris on 24/12/2006 17:49:50 People need to step back and remember its just fake money. All the hostility shown on both sides is bad times. "BoB brought the pew pew to us, the pew pew BoB brings is good, as they pew pew good. Pew pew is fun, and the BoB war brought pew pew, thusly the BoB war was fun." - etheris Step back, enjoy the richness of eve that allows us to be involved in events like these, and remember WHY you play. Cheers to the BoB members that brought great , smack free fights and the great conversations in local from time to time. I became a better pvper from fighting against an enemy like you. Respect , if it wasnt given, was earned by most of you that I flew against in those engagements. Etherios, you bobbit scummonkey! My 1 v 1 challenge of epic proportions still stands, just as in highlander, there can be only one etheris-ish name on the market. Ibis's at dawn good sir. And thanks to ASCN for the great fleet fights, fun times and kamikazi runs at gate camps....well those runs were my idea, and as you can see from my killboard stats, I usually took absolutely nothing with me! Fly safe out there, have a Merry Christmas, keep your scrambler cycling and your overview clean, some of us will probably be showing up on it again and again, regardless of how the war turns out! Cheers.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.25 09:32:00 - [128] Originally by: etheris "BoB brought the pew pew to us, the pew pew BoB brings is good, as they pew pew good. Pew pew is fun, and the BoB war brought pew pew, thusly the BoB war was fun." - etheris Speaking purely for myself, Etheris gets it! Win or loose doesn't really matter. What matters is to have fun and get better! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.25 09:51:00 - [129] Leaving an alliance is the best thing you can do. Good luck in the future. -=====-
Arkasius Amarr Sonnema	Posted - 2006.12.25 15:11:00 - [130] What is it with these stupid @#$holes. If a corp or a leading character is leaving a corp/alliance or game give him the dignity of announcing it himself. That's all thank you.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.25 15:25:00 - [131] Originally by: Damion Rayne I find it funny that so many people buy into these posts. EDF is not leaveing ASCN. Our CEO is well in charge of our Corporation and we do not forsee the defeat of ASCN anytime soon. Congrats on your abilities to steal something from our personal forums and display it to the public. Your a great person indeed. ASCN has not fallen, nor will it. EDF has not left, nor will it. ___________________ Damion Rayne EDF Eagle Legion XO O RLY?
VarmentCong	Posted - 2006.12.25 16:05:00 - [132] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Kugutsumen John the Hero is preparing for defeat: Quote: In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. Not a chance in hell. LOL
SuperStock Disciples Of Chuck Norris	Posted - 2006.12.25 16:06:00 - [133] Edited by: SuperStock on 25/12/2006 16:06:43 Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Kugutsumen John the Hero is preparing for defeat: Quote: In the last 18 months, EDF has reached the pinicle any corp in Eve can reach. We've done it all. We've had a kill/loss ratio in the top 10 of any of the major Alliance's corps. Not a chance in hell. LOL sorrry bout that, the forums hates me and likes my alt for some reason 0.o' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BLOOOOOKAAAAAAAAAAAAAHZAAAAAAAAAwEEEEEEEEEESHHHH Did you get all that?
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.26 06:38:00 - [134] EDF once reorganised will do its own thing in the meantime a lot of ex ASCN members are going to be looking for a new home good time to recruit if youre a new corp These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Yuri Steel Forge Logistics	Posted - 2006.12.28 16:52:00 - [135] So, according to the newly found rules by the Mods, shouldn't this post be "deleted" as well seeing as it contains 3rd party information. And how about the screenshot of ASCN forums posted by Spiral? That to should be deleted. I am sure I can find more posts that contain internal information that should be deleted. If you are going to enforce "the rules", try to make sure you do it equally for a change.
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.28 17:02:00 - [136] The Lean get hungry and mean. The Fat get lazy and slaughtered. Always cut the fat out a corp/alliance.
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:09:00 - [137] John is running away with money he and his corp got from its loyal (some may say naive - I'll be nice because I know some of them) members running the 10/10 complex every day in the name of ASCN and EDF and from what the miners sold crok, ark, and bist to him at discount. Don't weep for John or EDF - he's getting away with 10s if not 100s of billions in cash, bpos, and ships from his loyal member's sweat and effort. Do you think he'll share that now that he's been ripped out of one of the richest areas in EVE with his loyal followers? He could liquidate just a fraction and set up the people that really ran his corp for the last year - his directors - very well in empire so that they can survive and continue to run operations. But, he won't. Why should he? He's already gotten away. The leader is safe and secure while his loyal subjects try to fight and (mostly) flee with the very little they have left. His directors can't even get in contact with him. He's pulled another "I have computer problems" and says he can't be back for another week even though he logs in regularly. A week?!? How many times in a year has this happened??? What about your membership, the ones you recruited green out of empire and brought them down to the deepest of 0? I honestly feel sad for some of them now. I was tricked too for a while, but someone showed me the light. I feel bad for those that fell under his deception and didn't get out until it was too late. Best of luck to those that decide to leave EDF and start over or start something afresh. --- John McCreedy and EDF never paid their complex runners for the 100s of billions gathered in the name of EDF and ASCN. Who's the slave master now, McGreedy? Where's the money? Pay ARC!
CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:20:00 - [138] Seeing BoB people post about how ASCN should be "greatful" that they're being destroyed by them is pretty funny.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:23:00 - [139] Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor I honestly feel sad for some of them now. I was tricked too for a while, but someone showed me the light. I feel bad for those that fell under his deception and didn't get out until it was too late. Best of luck to those that decide to leave EDF and start over or start something afresh. Who was that someone? I tried beating you over the head with the light and fill you with creamy light goodness but you were a stubborn one for quite a while
RaptorX Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:44:00 - [140] 45m+ SP character looking for pvp corp & alliance. RaptorX
Clayhawking School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:49:00 - [141] You know what I would like to here? I'd like to here the ASCN leaderships step up and take responsibility for this campaign. I'd like to read someone in 'ASCN High Command' take resposibility for the sheer stupidity in sending 150 to 200 pilots to sit at a POS in TCAG and sending wave after wave of pilots to their deaths. All I hear is now complaints of how there are 500 in allaince chat and only 25 defending. Mmmm that sure as hell sounded like I was back in Xetic. CLS and many of the old corps that left Xetic used that same line to justify breaking up Xetic. I believe the excuse was that they were only doing the fighting. It's funny now to see this happpening all over again. CYVOK and his 'high command' hated what Xetic turned into and swore the would do things differently to prevent ASCN from getting 'fat', funny how in the end it all turned out the same way. ASCN getting to big and arrogant. So I ask again who takes responsibility for this? Who takes responsibility for the failed siege on TPAR and the countles hours POS sitting in TCAG? The grunts were always told that 'ASCN High Command' had a 'plan' to just sit tight in TCAG and the plan would be revealed. So much blame going on and yet no one has stepped up to take responsibility for the failures in the alliance.

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