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Will Gauss
TerminalDogma
New Eden Research Coalition
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Posted - 2015.09.12 04:03:06 -
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For labor reasons, my first science officer of my Thanatos carrier cannot be terminated without a valid reason. Something tells me being a fan of teenage angst bands and playing it so loudly I can hear it in my pod is not a valid reason.
Is it considered a constructive discharge by the Gallente Federation if I assign my first science officer eleven million Fedos as a pet and require that all crew keep all of their pets in their quarters at all times? |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
Ushra'Khan
1477
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Posted - 2015.09.12 04:29:13 -
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Actually, the angst band thing is grounds for summary execution. No need to stink up your ship with fedos. Besides, have you seen those things mass? Your carrier would have a hell of a time moving...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
146
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Posted - 2015.09.12 04:59:10 -
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i take it you didnt include the "owner/captain of the ship reserves right for summary discharge and dismissal of contract and any point in time" in the contract |
Goldfinch
Order of Jamyl
359
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Posted - 2015.09.12 06:00:32 -
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Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).
You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.
Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.
\J/
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2004
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Posted - 2015.09.12 06:00:36 -
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Gallentes are always unprofessional like that.
In the State we have a noise limit that is set for every crew member. They can be punished or discharged from duty for violation of allowed boundary of noise generation quota.
Regulations are to be followed.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2015.09.12 06:49:56 -
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Goldfinch wrote:
Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).
You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.
Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.
People still use headphones? I thought the Egonics implants made headphones obsolete by now.
Just listen to mechano-swing. That smooth voice accompanied by the sound of piston-driven wind instruments and the hissing of steam vents. Exquisite.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1405
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Posted - 2015.09.12 06:49:57 -
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I am not sure why you would like to comply to federal rules when capsuleers are not even bound by them, especially when it comes to what happens inside their own ships...? |
Quattras Peione
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
140
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Posted - 2015.09.12 06:58:31 -
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As this crewman is in a Thanatos, you're not flying in patrolled space, and probably outside the jurisdiction of any of the Big Four.
Ask him if he thinks his music would sound as good in a vacuum. I'm sure he'll catch your meaning.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Solu Terona
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
60
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Posted - 2015.09.12 07:40:03 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Gallentes are always unprofessional like that.
In the State we have a noise limit that is set for every crew member. They can be punished or discharged from duty for violation of allowed boundary of noise generation quota.
Regulations are to be followed.
I may have to take this idea, i don't mind noise but lots of it at once makes my trigger finger itch.
"The Stars will forever call to their children."
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Solu Terona
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
60
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Posted - 2015.09.12 07:42:30 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Goldfinch wrote:
Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).
You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.
Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.
People still use headphones? I thought the Egonics implants made headphones obsolete by now. Just listen to mechano-swing. That smooth voice accompanied by the sound of piston-driven wind instruments and the hissing of steam vents. Exquisite.
ohhh Elmund, There is often nothing quite like a physical interface, you like your holo or mind controlled keyboards? wait till you try Mechanical switches.
"The Stars will forever call to their children."
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2015.09.12 07:57:39 -
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Solu Terona wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Goldfinch wrote:
Not everything in life needs a legal solution (gasp!).
You could simply introduce this young, impressionable science officer to music you personally think is better.
Though we are not sure we are fit to judge this person. On occasion we find ourself blasting My Charmerout Romance on a pair of headphones while crossposting animated cat pictures on Spacebook and Galnet+.
People still use headphones? I thought the Egonics implants made headphones obsolete by now. Just listen to mechano-swing. That smooth voice accompanied by the sound of piston-driven wind instruments and the hissing of steam vents. Exquisite. ohhh Elmund, There is often nothing quite like a physical interface, you like your holo or mind controlled keyboards? wait till you try Mechanical switches.
Well, when you have all kinds of chrome stuffed into and around your flesh body, using analogue starts to become very inconvenient.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Skyweir Kinnison
73
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Posted - 2015.09.12 08:14:42 -
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Will Gauss wrote:For labor reasons, my first science officer of my Thanatos carrier cannot be terminated without a valid reason. Something tells me being a fan of teenage angst bands and playing it so loudly I can hear it in my pod is not a valid reason.
Is it considered a constructive discharge by the Gallente Federation if I assign my first science officer eleven million Fedos as a pet and require that all crew keep all of their pets in their quarters at all times?
The proposed solution would probably fall foul of the laws on ethical treatment of animals. Fedos should not be subject to such music either.
If you consider yourself subject to Federal jurisdiction, you would have a number of options under the law. I would consider the noise abatement regulations pertinent, but you could consider a whole range of military code violations if you wanted. Remember, the Federation believes in personal liberty up to the point where it infringes on the liberties of others. Refusal to accept reasonable conditions is grounds for terminating a contract of employment.
I'm amazed even that sound carries into the pod. Less nanofiber structure might be another solution.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2015.09.12 08:41:09 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:Will Gauss wrote:For labor reasons, my first science officer of my Thanatos carrier cannot be terminated without a valid reason. Something tells me being a fan of teenage angst bands and playing it so loudly I can hear it in my pod is not a valid reason.
Is it considered a constructive discharge by the Gallente Federation if I assign my first science officer eleven million Fedos as a pet and require that all crew keep all of their pets in their quarters at all times? The proposed solution would probably fall foul of the laws on ethical treatment of animals. Fedos should not be subject to such music either. If you consider yourself subject to Federal jurisdiction, you would have a number of options under the law. I would consider the noise abatement regulations pertinent, but you could consider a whole range of military code violations if you wanted. Remember, the Federation believes in personal liberty up to the point where it infringes on the liberties of others. Refusal to accept reasonable conditions is grounds for terminating a contract of employment. I'm amazed even that sound carries into the pod. Less nanofiber structure might be another solution.
Quite frankly, I'm surprised anyone can hear anything from inside the capsule and all. Our flesh body is put in stasis while in a pod and our sensory inputs has to come in from ship sensors. We shouldn't even be able to hear a damn thing inside our ship corridors either.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Skyweir Kinnison
73
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Posted - 2015.09.12 08:49:45 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
Quite frankly, I'm surprised anyone can hear anything from inside the capsule and all. Our flesh body is put in stasis while in a pod and our sensory inputs has to come in from ship sensors. We shouldn't even be able to hear a damn thing inside our ship corridors either.
I think it's probably memory retention. You know, when a piece of music keeps popping up in your head unbidden, even though the environment is silent - like that infernal dance tune of a few years back. (Great, now I can hear it again).
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2015.09.12 09:24:28 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
Quite frankly, I'm surprised anyone can hear anything from inside the capsule and all. Our flesh body is put in stasis while in a pod and our sensory inputs has to come in from ship sensors. We shouldn't even be able to hear a damn thing inside our ship corridors either.
I think it's probably memory retention. You know, when a piece of music keeps popping up in your head unbidden, even though the environment is silent - like that infernal dance tune of a few years back. (Great, now I can hear it again).
Dance it off or something.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
873
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Posted - 2015.09.12 10:34:49 -
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Solution 1: Airlock
Solution 2: The Brig
Solution 3: Maroon in a station somewhere
You can put "Threaten to" before each if you're feeling extra-merciful. Most of all, he should treat your words "stop it" as holy and immediately cease without the need to resort to a threat. If he doesn't, it usually means he's on a collision course with quick and tragic demise - probably depressed to boot. Better just apply solution 1 and get a new one, they're cheap anyway.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
707
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Posted - 2015.09.12 10:44:32 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Solution 1: Airlock
Solution 2: The Brig
Solution 3: Maroon in a station somewhere
You can put "Threaten to" before each if you're feeling extra-merciful. Most of all, he should treat your words "stop it" as holy and immediately cease without the need to resort to a threat. If he doesn't, it usually means he's on a collision course with quick and tragic demise - probably depressed to boot. Better just apply solution 1 and get a new one, they're cheap anyway.
Solution 4: Soundproof his quarters. Pad the walls thick enough that he can't sit in it for more than five minutes without suffocating.
Solution 5: Just ban all audio devices, or implement maximum sound limit regulations, of which violation results in pay cuts and/or discharge.
Solution 6: Duct-tape over-ear headphone cans to his head with our state of the art Tech II Matari Duct Tape. Or our prototype Tech III Matari Duct Tape: Slaver-jaws strength.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2015.09.12 14:48:51 -
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Solution 7: Cut all power to his quarters. If he complains, cut the life support. It's your ship. In space, you're the only law.
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
508
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Posted - 2015.09.12 14:59:43 -
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And this is why everyone should use slave crews and just execute the crew you want to execute without due process. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Skyweir Kinnison
75
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Posted - 2015.09.12 15:14:46 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Solution 7: Cut all power to his quarters. If he complains, cut the life support. It's your ship. In space, you're the only law.
Nauplius wrote:And this is why everyone should use slave crews and just execute the crew you want to execute without due process. Amen. Amarr Victor.
And Nauplius neatly demonstrates why, Captain Moray, whilst you may be technically correct, natural and moral law still applies to us all lest we become monsters.
Just because you can behave as judge and executioner, does not mean you should. The application of law - whichever system you adhere to and contract to observe with your crew - is essential to civilisation.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Markus Error
Stillwater Corporation
83
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Posted - 2015.09.12 15:28:45 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Trii Seo wrote:Solution 1: Airlock
Solution 2: The Brig
Solution 3: Maroon in a station somewhere
You can put "Threaten to" before each if you're feeling extra-merciful. Most of all, he should treat your words "stop it" as holy and immediately cease without the need to resort to a threat. If he doesn't, it usually means he's on a collision course with quick and tragic demise - probably depressed to boot. Better just apply solution 1 and get a new one, they're cheap anyway. Solution 4: Soundproof his quarters. Pad the walls thick enough that he can't sit in it for more than five minutes without suffocating. Solution 5: Just ban all audio devices, or implement maximum sound limit regulations, of which violation results in pay cuts and/or discharge. Solution 6: Duct-tape over-ear headphone cans to his head with our state of the art Tech II Matari Duct Tape. Or our prototype Tech III Matari Duct Tape: Slaver-jaws strength.
Oh, they started testing the Republic Fleet Duct Tape III?
Neat.
As for the noise problem, whenever he starts playing, just pipe terrible violin music over the comms into the room he's in. He'll stop.
"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."
-Unknown
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Viktor Revon
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Posted - 2015.09.12 17:50:48 -
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How about checking with others to see if he is actually playing this music and it's not just your memory making you believe it is being played?
If he is actually playing it, check your pod for faults.
If everything is in place, set a certain limit on how loud music may be played, such as 'should not be able to hear it outside of your quarters.'
If he violates this, give him a warning/threat and if he does it again?
Drop him off in Jita, I'll fix his behavioral errors and take him into my on crew. Just... drop him off in a station and not the void.
Those whom have murdered those I hold dear have created a madman, on a path for bloody vengeance, and one with nothing to lose, not even his life.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
708
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Posted - 2015.09.12 18:45:05 -
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Viktor Revon wrote:How about checking with others to see if he is actually playing this music and it's not just your memory making you believe it is being played?
If he is actually playing it, check your pod for faults.
If everything is in place, set a certain limit on how loud music may be played, such as 'should not be able to hear it outside of your quarters.'
If he violates this, give him a warning/threat and if he does it again?
Drop him off in Jita, I'll fix his behavioral errors and take him into my on crew. Just... drop him off in a station and not the void.
Even if the capsuleer can't hear that infernal din, the crew will still be distracted by it. Problem has to be fixed, not ignored.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Will Gauss
TerminalDogma
New Eden Research Coalition
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Posted - 2015.09.12 20:38:43 -
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A solution has been found! The Thanatos is based in Stain region, so I simply docked in a True Power station and gave him shore leave. I then immediately undocked without him. Unfortunately however, the infernal "music" was left behind and must now be delivered to his family as part of his personal effects. Damnit. |
Omega Jovakko
Mighty 8th Industries
0
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Posted - 2015.11.07 06:11:36 -
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Will Gauss wrote:A solution has been found! The Thanatos is based in Stain region, so I simply docked in a True Power station and gave him shore leave. I then immediately undocked without him. Unfortunately however, the infernal "music" was left behind and must now be delivered to his family as part of his personal effects. Damnit.
This is borderline unacceptable, however funny it may be. You may want to consider at least hiring a shuttle pilot to return the effects, and throw the memory disk out of the airlock. That way they have their belongings, but without the Pirate bait that is their Angst music.
Although it may be considered theft, check with CONCORD first. |
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