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Triakis Cadelanne La Fine Equipe 32	Posted - 2015.09.13 18:32:33 - [1] - Quote What's the point of flying a Zealot instead of a NOmen ? DPS is higher but it's so slow ....
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11792	Posted - 2015.09.13 19:26:54 - [2] - Quote It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Damnskippy Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel 117	Posted - 2015.09.14 03:01:26 - [3] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. I flew one around solo years ago. Then a rifter survived the volleys, got under my guns and gave me plenty of time to think about the error of solo zealot... I haven't seen too many in space lately but I do remember when zealot fleets were a mainstay of many alliance doctrines.
Thea Arsoniztik Boner City Madmen 5	Posted - 2015.09.14 03:48:44 - [4] - Quote I used to fly them solo exclusively back when everybody used to rat in belts with ravens.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11815	Posted - 2015.09.14 08:44:15 - [5] - Quote Damnskippy wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. I flew one around solo years ago. Then a rifter survived the volleys, got under my guns and gave me plenty of time to think about the error of solo zealot... I haven't seen too many in space lately but I do remember when zealot fleets were a mainstay of many alliance doctrines. Yeah same thing happened to me with a rf firetale. Yup armour hacs armour hacs armour hacs ,zealot in particular make fantastic doctrine ships...Actually I think I'm going to have to go buy one now. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Dato Koppla Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary 876	Posted - 2015.09.15 04:30:39 - [6] - Quote Maybe as doctrine ships with solid tanks and decent projection, but even then the DPS on a Zealot is anemic. In solo/small gang the Zealot is completely useless and outclassed by the Omen Navy. It needs looking at IMO, find it a new niche of some kind.
Damnskippy Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel 117	Posted - 2015.09.16 00:06:06 - [7] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damnskippy wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. I flew one around solo years ago. Then a rifter survived the volleys, got under my guns and gave me plenty of time to think about the error of solo zealot... I haven't seen too many in space lately but I do remember when zealot fleets were a mainstay of many alliance doctrines. Yeah same thing happened to me with a rf firetale. Yup armour hacs armour hacs armour hacs ,zealot in particular make fantastic doctrine ships...Actually I think I'm going to have to go buy one now. Did you know that hear in America ( 'MURICA! ) school teachers will actually correct your spelling if you attempt to spell such foreign words as honour , colour and perhaps even armour? So what I'm really trying to say is; it's not my fault.
May Arethusa SessionChange 58	Posted - 2015.09.16 02:40:53 - [8] - Quote Quote: hear in America Quote: honour , colour Did you know that teachers in America are bad at their job? Neither did I until you chipped in.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8674	Posted - 2015.09.16 04:21:33 - [9] - Quote May Arethusa wrote: Quote: hear in America Quote: honour , colour Did you know that teachers in America are bad at their job? Neither did I until you chipped in. Guys... why is there a scorch mark on the floor? How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 758	Posted - 2015.09.16 13:56:41 - [10] - Quote May Arethusa wrote: Quote: hear in America Quote: honour , colour Did you know that teachers in America are bad at their job? Neither did I until you chipped in. Ouch!
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11850	Posted - 2015.09.16 14:46:44 - [11] - Quote Damnskippy wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damnskippy wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. I flew one around solo years ago. Then a rifter survived the volleys, got under my guns and gave me plenty of time to think about the error of solo zealot... I haven't seen too many in space lately but I do remember when zealot fleets were a mainstay of many alliance doctrines. Yeah same thing happened to me with a rf firetale. Yup armour hacs armour hacs armour hacs ,zealot in particular make fantastic doctrine ships...Actually I think I'm going to have to go buy one now. Did you know that hear in America ( 'MURICA! ) school teachers will actually correct your spelling if you attempt to spell such foreign words as honour , colour and perhaps even armour? So what I'm really trying to say is; it's not my fault. No dude, I wasn't haven a go at your spelling it's a reference. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Laxen Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.09.16 20:28:56 - [12] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damnskippy wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damnskippy wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. I flew one around solo years ago. Then a rifter survived the volleys, got under my guns and gave me plenty of time to think about the error of solo zealot... I haven't seen too many in space lately but I do remember when zealot fleets were a mainstay of many alliance doctrines. Yeah same thing happened to me with a rf firetale. Yup armour hacs armour hacs armour hacs ,zealot in particular make fantastic doctrine ships...Actually I think I'm going to have to go buy one now. Did you know that hear in America ( 'MURICA! ) school teachers will actually correct your spelling if you attempt to spell such foreign words as honour , colour and perhaps even armour? So what I'm really trying to say is; it's not my fault. No dude, I wasn't haven a go at your spelling it's a reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-kGGW0UlPA in all it's glory!
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11852	Posted - 2015.09.16 20:33:26 - [13] - Quote Laxen wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damnskippy wrote: Did you know that hear in America ( 'MURICA! ) school teachers will actually correct your spelling if you attempt to spell such foreign words as honour , colour and perhaps even armour? So what I'm really trying to say is; it's not my fault. No dude, I wasn't haven a go at your spelling it's a reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-kGGW0UlPA in all it's glory! hahaha, that's the one Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 3201	Posted - 2015.09.16 21:54:36 - [14] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. One of you people would say that.
Damnskippy Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel 122	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:25:23 - [15] - Quote May Arethusa wrote: Quote: hear in America Quote: honour , colour Did you know that teachers in America are bad at their job? Neither did I until you chipped in. Drunk grammar be best grammar yo. I'm not entirely sure what you're getting on about honour and colour though. An I know you weren't teasing about my spelling. I just saw the word "armour" and thought I'd chime in with my shiptoast.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 685	Posted - 2015.09.17 05:36:21 - [16] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damnskippy wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It's a fleet ship and a damn good one at that. Think about having like 8 of them with logi and boost and itl start to make sense. I flew one around solo years ago. Then a rifter survived the volleys, got under my guns and gave me plenty of time to think about the error of solo zealot... I haven't seen too many in space lately but I do remember when zealot fleets were a mainstay of many alliance doctrines. Yeah same thing happened to me with a rf firetale. Yup armour hacs armour hacs armour hacs ,zealot in particular make fantastic doctrine ships...Actually I think I'm going to have to go buy one now. They were outclassed by the kiting ishtar fleet and the tengu fleet... The damage projection is good, but not good enough to outshoot specialized kiting fleets. When the meta was more brawly, it was a solid ship for it's smaller sig against battleship guns. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 1127	Posted - 2015.09.18 15:34:09 - [17] - Quote I lost my first Zealot about 10 minutes after I fit it up :( Flew 2 jumps, took on a fight in a belt, couldn't get up to speed because belt rocks.... I also had one of my funnest fights in a Zealot: Out in open space, kiting, burning in, burning away, over heating everything, get a kill then burn back out. Great fight, and it was one of the learning fights where I started to master kiting.
Tomski Ruslav Hull Breach. The Brew Crew. 11	Posted - 2015.09.19 00:15:09 - [18] - Quote Triakis Cadelanne wrote: What's the point of flying a Zealot instead of a NOmen ? DPS is higher but it's so slow .... No reason to use a zealot in small gangs over the nomen. Nomen is fast, has a drone bay which means u can actually solo in it. Zealot really needs another mid for a web, or a small drone bay. *One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.*
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11904	Posted - 2015.09.20 19:54:04 - [19] - Quote Tomski Ruslav wrote: Triakis Cadelanne wrote: What's the point of flying a Zealot instead of a NOmen ? DPS is higher but it's so slow .... No reason to use a zealot in small gangs over the nomen. Nomen is fast, has a drone bay which means u can actually solo in it. Zealot really needs another mid for a web, or a small drone bay. Or another 9 or so fleetmates, it's not a small gang ship. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Dato Koppla Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary 892	Posted - 2015.09.21 07:35:29 - [20] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Tomski Ruslav wrote: Triakis Cadelanne wrote: What's the point of flying a Zealot instead of a NOmen ? DPS is higher but it's so slow .... No reason to use a zealot in small gangs over the nomen. Nomen is fast, has a drone bay which means u can actually solo in it. Zealot really needs another mid for a web, or a small drone bay. Or another 9 or so fleetmates, it's not a small gang ship. That's the thing though, it's no longer a fleet ship either. Zealot fleets are old school counters to BS fleets that couldn't track them when they were up close. Nowadays there are so many better options for heavy tanked small sig cruisers that the Zealot has fallen by the wayside. Sure you might see one here and there but it's suboptimal in any role you put it in IMO.
Reah Darknorth Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.09.23 17:30:27 - [21] - Quote It still doesn't make sense that the zealot is slower than the omen by a significant amount. I mean that just kills the ship for me. Why would I pay 150 mil for one when a omen is at a significant advantage in terms of speed and agility, making it a better nano kiter? It would be like if the vagabond was 300 ms slower than a stabber. It doesn't make sense. The idea that its a "fleet ship" doesn't justify this poor ship design . the zealot should be equal to the omen in speed. It would still be significantly slower than the ONI so it wouldn't be OP. But right now it's slower than the legion. It ain't right
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11973	Posted - 2015.09.23 18:07:00 - [22] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Tomski Ruslav wrote: Triakis Cadelanne wrote: What's the point of flying a Zealot instead of a NOmen ? DPS is higher but it's so slow .... No reason to use a zealot in small gangs over the nomen. Nomen is fast, has a drone bay which means u can actually solo in it. Zealot really needs another mid for a web, or a small drone bay. Or another 9 or so fleetmates, it's not a small gang ship. That's the thing though, it's no longer a fleet ship either. Zealot fleets are old school counters to BS fleets that couldn't track them when they were up close. Nowadays there are so many better options for heavy tanked small sig cruisers that the Zealot has fallen by the wayside. Sure you might see one here and there but it's suboptimal in any role you put it in IMO. Grrr ishtars ect ect Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders 505	Posted - 2015.09.23 18:30:21 - [23] - Quote beam zealots are love.
Dato Koppla Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary 896	Posted - 2015.09.25 05:37:16 - [24] - Quote Reah Darknorth wrote: It still doesn't make sense that the zealot is slower than the omen by a significant amount. I mean that just kills the ship for me. Why would I pay 150 mil for one when a omen is at a significant advantage in terms of speed and agility, making it a better nano kiter? It would be like if the vagabond was 300 ms slower than a stabber. It doesn't make sense. The idea that its a "fleet ship" doesn't justify this poor ship design . the zealot should be equal to the omen in speed. It would still be significantly slower than the ONI so it wouldn't be OP. But right now it's slower than the legion. It ain't right There are many ships that are seemingly arbitrarily slow. For example a Corax is as slow as a 1600 plate Maller. It's a sign that CCP just hates them.
Hochopepa POS Consultants Group LLC 4	Posted - 2015.09.25 18:15:28 - [25] - Quote I miss the days of nano Zealot / Vagabond gangs, non'd up and ripping **** apart.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1256	Posted - 2015.09.25 19:31:18 - [26] - Quote Reah Darknorth wrote: It still doesn't make sense that the zealot is slower than the omen by a significant amount. I mean that just kills the ship for me. Why would I pay 150 mil for one when a omen is at a significant advantage in terms of speed and agility, making it a better nano kiter? It would be like if the vagabond was 300 ms slower than a stabber. It doesn't make sense. The idea that its a "fleet ship" doesn't justify this poor ship design . the zealot should be equal to the omen in speed. It would still be significantly slower than the ONI so it wouldn't be OP. But right now it's slower than the legion. It ain't right The zealot doesn't need cap boosters just for guns to keep firing. It also got a way superior sigtank while mwd'ing. It got great sensors so it doesn't falter to a single damp like an Omen does. It got around twice the dps at same ranges. The resist profile amplifies remote reps significantly.

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