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Evenus Battuta
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:09:00 -
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Well I know that it costs me nothing, but I simply don't like the idea of all disposable alts. Besides, I think it's not a decent game mechanic to force player run 2 clients just in order to travel safely.
Alts for a different career or different information are good, alts for avoid consequence of scam/crime maybe ok. Disposable alts just for everyday travel is plain stupid and means there must be something very wrong with the game design.
I hope that we have another way to scout and travel safely with a single account, free disposable alts will do the game no good. What do you think? |
Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:12:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:Well I know that it costs me nothing, but I simply don't like the idea of all disposable alts. Besides, I think it's not a decent game mechanic to force player run 2 clients just in order to travel safely.
Alts for a different career or different information are good, alts for avoid consequence of scam/crime maybe ok. Disposable alts just for everyday travel is plain stupid and means there must be something very wrong with the game design.
I hope that we have another way to scout and travel safely with a single account, free disposable alts will do the game no good. What do you think?
I travel very safely in t1 frigates fitted for travel. Take the tech I hull of any interceptor, fit with warp stabs and a mwd and afterburner. Put some rigs on it to increase speed in warp. Don't be stupid.
Safe and easy travel.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:13:00 -
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Uh. This has to be a really, really ****** troll. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:13:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:Well I know that it costs me nothing, but I simply don't like the idea of all disposable alts. Besides, I think it's not a decent game mechanic to force player run 2 clients just in order to travel safely.
Alts for a different career or different information are good, alts for avoid consequence of scam/crime maybe ok. Disposable alts just for everyday travel is plain stupid and means there must be something very wrong with the game design.
I hope that we have another way to scout and travel safely with a single account, free disposable alts will do the game no good. What do you think?
An interceptor or cov ops will let you escape most camps. Larger ships are very vulnerable but if all you want is make a few jumps you can scout first with an interceptor and turn back to switch ships. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:14:00 -
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Yeah probably.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Evenus Battuta
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:17:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Evenus Battuta wrote:Well I know that it costs me nothing, but I simply don't like the idea of all disposable alts. Besides, I think it's not a decent game mechanic to force player run 2 clients just in order to travel safely.
Alts for a different career or different information are good, alts for avoid consequence of scam/crime maybe ok. Disposable alts just for everyday travel is plain stupid and means there must be something very wrong with the game design.
I hope that we have another way to scout and travel safely with a single account, free disposable alts will do the game no good. What do you think? I travel very safely in t1 frigates fitted for travel. Take the tech I hull of any interceptor, fit with warp stabs and a mwd and afterburner. Put some rigs on it to increase speed in warp. Don't be stupid. Safe and easy travel.
I don't know very well about this, do you mean you can travel in this ship rest assured all the time and don't need to know the situation on the other side of the gate?
Well I was kind of hoping there should be a 'travel set' for every ship or some player skills to travel safely. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:20:00 -
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Use intel channels, use disposable alts, or take a chance on what's on the other side of the gate.
Or go back to empire. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:22:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:I don't know very well about this, do you mean you can travel in this ship rest assured all the time and don't need to know the situation on the other side of the gate?
Well I was kind of hoping there should be a 'travel set' for every ship or some player skills to travel safely.
It is not supposed to be safe to travel in nullsec.
But with some smarts and a small ship you can avoid most danger. Also, in nullsec both sides of the gate are dangerous. You need to take precautions such as not flying gate to gate and use celestials ans waypoints to avoid drag bubbles and of course use your scanner.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:22:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Evenus Battuta wrote:Well I know that it costs me nothing, but I simply don't like the idea of all disposable alts. Besides, I think it's not a decent game mechanic to force player run 2 clients just in order to travel safely.
Alts for a different career or different information are good, alts for avoid consequence of scam/crime maybe ok. Disposable alts just for everyday travel is plain stupid and means there must be something very wrong with the game design.
I hope that we have another way to scout and travel safely with a single account, free disposable alts will do the game no good. What do you think? I travel very safely in t1 frigates fitted for travel. Take the tech I hull of any interceptor, fit with warp stabs and a mwd and afterburner. Put some rigs on it to increase speed in warp. Don't be stupid. Safe and easy travel. I don't know very well about this, do you mean you can travel in this ship rest assured all the time and don't need to know the situation on the other side of the gate? Well I was kind of hoping there should be a 'travel set' for every ship or some player skills to travel safely.
No I mean any reasonably intelligent person will get through most camps with this set up. There is no travel set and no skills for safe travel. If you want to travel safe you are playing the wrong game.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:29:00 -
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Its harder to travel in nullsec, but its well worth it due to all of the...pretty nebula you can see out there. |
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Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:37:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:Well I know that it costs me nothing, but I simply don't like the idea of all disposable alts. Besides, I think it's not a decent game mechanic to force player run 2 clients just in order to travel safely.
Alts for a different career or different information are good, alts for avoid consequence of scam/crime maybe ok. Disposable alts just for everyday travel is plain stupid and means there must be something very wrong with the game design.
I hope that we have another way to scout and travel safely with a single account, free disposable alts will do the game no good. What do you think?
If the scout can get through, then pretend you are the scout.... |
Evenus Battuta
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:41:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Use intel channels, use disposable alts, or take a chance on what's on the other side of the gate.
Or go back to empire.
I didn't say that I want safe travel without a careful plan, I was saying that DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER.
FREE DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER TO ANYTHING. They make the game less real without consequence, and bring no income to CCP |
Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
65
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Posted - 2011.12.10 13:49:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Use intel channels, use disposable alts, or take a chance on what's on the other side of the gate.
Or go back to empire. I didn't say that I want safe travel without a careful plan, I was saying that DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER. FREE DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER TO ANYTHING. They make the game less real without consequence, and bring no income to CCP
Well if this is your central point then why not say it, instead of bringing travel in low sec into the conversation; your post focused on low sec travel and so that is what we focused on.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:03:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Use intel channels, use disposable alts, or take a chance on what's on the other side of the gate.
Or go back to empire. I didn't say that I want safe travel without a careful plan, I was saying that DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER. FREE DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER TO ANYTHING. They make the game less real without consequence, and bring no income to CCP
disposable alts aren't foolproof. you might still get caught.
less real? it's using intel for your benefit. as real as real gets.
you don't have to use alt. get a friend to scout for you. |
Evenus Battuta
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:04:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Evenus Battuta wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Use intel channels, use disposable alts, or take a chance on what's on the other side of the gate.
Or go back to empire. I didn't say that I want safe travel without a careful plan, I was saying that DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER. FREE DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER TO ANYTHING. They make the game less real without consequence, and bring no income to CCP Well if this is your central point then why not say it, instead of bringing travel in low sec into the conversation; your post focused on low sec travel and so that is what we focused on.
My bad, my English teacher died when I was too young. |
pmota
the muppets
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:05:00 -
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Yo don't have to use a alt all the time
You can ofc use it until you are in feythabolis. All you have to do is fit a nice ship with lots of officer stuff then use the alt to come to our systems. Then get rid of the alt, please. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:07:00 -
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Notice how I gave you 4 different options, only one of which was "use disposable alts". |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:08:00 -
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You know, kind of like the fact that this is a multiplayer game, use that to your advantage and ask other people what the status of other systems is. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:17:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:alts for avoid consequence of scam/crime maybe ok. Disposable alts just for everyday travel is plain stupid and means there must be something very wrong with the game design. Dear god, what am I even reading?
Anyway, scout alts help, aren't necessary, and yes if you play solo you are going to need alts to be able to do everything you want. |
Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:19:00 -
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Eve is not a solo game, get a friend to scout for you or use a second acct. |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.10 15:03:00 -
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There is also a MWD trick with a cov ops ship to get past bubbles of null. Should help keep your main from being a non disposable alt as well. Alot of game mechanics are hard and require sacrifice or so. Think of titans and supers not docking, caps taking cyno to travel and thus your disposable alt is now disposable as well as cyno lighting able.
There are also JC as a form to travel, but do have to get a ship down there as well at some point. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.12.10 15:10:00 -
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Evenus Battuta wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Use intel channels, use disposable alts, or take a chance on what's on the other side of the gate.
Or go back to empire. I didn't say that I want safe travel without a careful plan, I was saying that DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER. FREE DISPOSABLE ALTS SHOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER TO ANYTHING. They make the game less real without consequence, and bring no income to CCP
Disposable alts are not THE answer, they are AN answer.
Quit whining and learn how the game works.
Pay attention to the answers you get and do some thinking about it.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Spurty
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.10 15:13:00 -
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Having flown a Battleship 20 jumps solo through null all I can say is you will usuaully only come a cropper at the exit to low / high sec as this is the Eco-system for pvp in eve
Oh and check your map. 400 people in one I the systems you are going through won't end well for you
Scouting isn't mandatory but successfully getting where you want without losing your ship correlates with success or failure here
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Bo Bojangles
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.12.10 15:49:00 -
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It's simple.
Fit out a faction or T2 BS of your choice, officer fit of course, and fly gate-to-gate as if you're the biggest swingin' **** in the valley.
The neckbeard gatecampers will be so taken aback by your sheer courage that they'll warp off in terror. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:22:00 -
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fly a cloaky nullified t3 and you should be good
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
MadMuppet
Jarts
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:20:00 -
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As mentioned briefly, hit F10 and check your map. If you know where you want to go, set a destination and check your map for 'ships killed in the last hour','pods killed in the last hour', 'number of jumps in the last hour', etc... it will give you a lot of information. It isn't perfect but it does help.
Never trust a soldier wearing velcroed insignia
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Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:26:00 -
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I don't use alts of any kind, ever. I've found covops to be the best if you don't have a friend to scout or good intel. Be smart about it, don't warp directly to the gate if there's a possibility of a bubble. If necessary, wait until just after downtime ends to get past a particularly tough camp. With proper precautions, I've moved t1 haulers through null safely. It just takes planning and patience. Don't forget to use the map to see where hotspots may be. Try alternate routes around them if needed. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:51:00 -
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While 0.0 should not be considered safe, there are many ways you can reduce your risk of getting caught travelling; and I don't mean flying a faster / cloaky ship. Obviously if you go solo you have the option of scouting or not, but you refuse to do so therefore:
Intel Channels
Map Statistics
Knowledge of local choke points.
Travel in a fleet, have a friend scout.
Jump bridge networks / bridging
It's already safe enough as it is. I'm not sure what tools you expect to have available to single account pilots (therefore automatically applying to every eve player) which wouldn't break any opportunity to catch players at gates.
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Boris Ginnungagap
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:01:00 -
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It's not really big issue to ask someone to scout for you. |
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