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Terraform Gallente Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:35:00 - [31] All i know is that I tried to fit my brutix with a full-gank setup and my friend in his t1-fitted passive-tanked Drake was able to outtank me still. I used to be able to break the tank of a seriously passive-tanked ferox pre-kali. Is it jsut because the Drake is extremely powerful, or did they change something?
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Littleluk I think the point that most people have missed is that the static HP boost isn't the only thing that changed. 25% HP boosts gives 25% more repair cycles as well to the target. This does increase the amount of time required to kill something beyond a static 25% number. In the cases where people are building extreme repair tanks this can be a significant detriment. As a primary Minmatar pilot, cap usage isn't an issue with damage but it does make me more hesitant to engage NOS heavy tank setups because I may lose my cap before I can fully break that tank. I can imagine the problem is even worse for the blaster/laser boats. Not it is not. Tanks are either cap limited, or hit point limited. I.E. they either fail because you run out of hit points and explode, or they fail because you run out of cap and they stop running. Capacitor sized and recharge were increased 25%, this produced 25% larger capacitors with the same recharge rate. Which means that capacitors, under the same drain as before[and drain amount was not changed, though close range ships dont need to run their MWD as long as they used to] will last exactly 25% longer[+/- a few percent based on module impredicatbility] with constant drain[and possibly longer due to the lessened effect of large clumps of drain] This means that if you were running a tank that was cap limited it now takes 25% longer for that tank to fail Now, if you were running a tank that was HP limited, then you have 25% more HP, which means that your tank can run 25% longer before you explode[25% more HP] Either way, tanks accross the board get a 25% straight boost. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.19 16:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Terraform All i know is that I tried to fit my brutix with a full-gank setup and my friend in his t1-fitted passive-tanked Drake was able to outtank me still. I used to be able to break the tank of a seriously passive-tanked ferox pre-kali. Is it jsut because the Drake is extremely powerful, or did they change something? Passive tanks got a boost, but it should not have been enough to matter versus a gank brutix It must be because your fiend upgraded, though the drake does have an extra mid slot With a full gank harbinger[tech 1 fitted, no drones], which ought to do less damage than a full gank Brutix[both have 7 guns, both have a damage bonus, but Heavy Pulse Lasers do less damage than any blaster], with no drones, I was able to break the tank of a passive sansha ratting fitted drake[albiet very slowly, and not before he would toast me]. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:41:00 - [34] Edited by: Exogene on 19/12/2006 17:42:52 Originally by: Terraform All i know is that I tried to fit my brutix with a full-gank setup and my friend in his t1-fitted passive-tanked Drake was able to outtank me still. I used to be able to break the tank of a seriously passive-tanked ferox pre-kali. Is it jsut because the Drake is extremely powerful, or did they change something? Perhaps it is because Brutix is a tier 1 BC and the Drake a tier 2 one? It all comes down to your setup and type of ship in the end like the last poster said. Pulses for example do more base damage on shields, however blasters do the same amount on both shields and armor.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Exogene Perhaps it is because Brutix is a tier 1 BC and the Drake a tier 2 one? It all comes down to your setup in the end like the last poster said. What utter CRAP. Tier 2 is NOT supposed to be "better" than tier 1. This was never the devs' intention - by their own proclaimation. The ships are supposed to be DIFFERENT, not better. Go look at fitting and other attributes of the various BCs, and you'll see that tier 2s are similar to tier 1s in such ways. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2006.12.19 17:44:00 - [36] Lol at this thread, people are throwing around the same thoughts over and over. Blasters got a slight nerf due to the extra HP and cap ppl hav, and the argument "blaster ships got it too" doesnt ballence things. We know, we use blasters!
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Exogene Perhaps it is because Brutix is a tier 1 BC and the Drake a tier 2 one? It all comes down to your setup in the end like the last poster said. What utter CRAP. Tier 2 is NOT supposed to be "better" than tier 1. This was never the devs' intention - by their own proclaimation. The ships are supposed to be DIFFERENT, not better. Go look at fitting and other attributes of the various BCs, and you'll see that tier 2s are similar to tier 1s in such ways. They never claimed such things. That statement was regarding the Tier 3 Battleships when they were trying to find roles for them. The Tier 2 Battlecruisers are "meant" to do more damage than the Tier 1, they have the bonuses and the slot layout made 'especially' for that. Don't mix it up. Tier 1 Tanking, Tier 2 Damage. Now if you can make the tier 2 tank just as great, or spit out more bullcrap about some other facts regarding how to fit the ships to make one worthless, than keep it to yourself. lol
Aterna Minmatar M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Exogene Perhaps it is because Brutix is a tier 1 BC and the Drake a tier 2 one? It all comes down to your setup in the end like the last poster said. What utter CRAP. Tier 2 is NOT supposed to be "better" than tier 1. This was never the devs' intention - by their own proclaimation. The ships are supposed to be DIFFERENT, not better. Go look at fitting and other attributes of the various BCs, and you'll see that tier 2s are similar to tier 1s in such ways. They never claimed such things. That statement was regarding the Tier 3 Battleships when they were trying to find roles for them. The Tier 2 Battlecruisers are "meant" to do more damage than the Tier 1, they have the bonuses and the slot layout made 'especially' for that. Don't mix it up. Tier 1 Tanking, Tier 2 Damage. Now if you can make the tier 2 tank just as great, or spit out more bullcrap about some other facts regarding how to fit the ships to make one worthless, than keep it to yourself. lol Uh, you should read the description for the Myrmidon sometime. It is described as a sturdier platform then the Brutix. And it is, it has more lows for tank, more mids for Ewar, less highs for offense. But it has heavy drones, so who really knows, right? - - -
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:23:00 - [39] Maybe you might want to read my post again. It's not because you actually think the myrmidon is better than brutix in every ways than it is. The majority of the Tier2 Battlecruisers are oriented toward damage, If one out of 3 is better in every way, even in damage than the Tier1, who cares? Role wise, the Brutix will still be better than the myrmidon when you lose all your drones.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski The Tier 2 Battlecruisers are "meant" to do more damage than the Tier 1, they have the bonuses and the slot layout made 'especially' for that. Don't mix it up. Tier 1 Tanking, Tier 2 Damage. Wrong again, genius! Myrmidon tank > Brutix tank, while Myrmidon damage is not quite as much as a Brutix's damage (depending on setup and drone use - but heavy drone use is somewhat contingent on targets) Drake tank > Ferox tank, AND it does more damage. So its more like this: Tier 1 tanking, tier 2 is damage for Minmatar and Amarr, tanking for Gallente, and tanking AND damage for Caldari. Quote: Now if you can make the tier 2 tank just as great, or spit out more bullcrap about some other facts regarding how to fit the ships to make one worthless, than keep it to yourself. lol Talk about "spitting out bullcrap"... do you even try to make sense? It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...

Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.19 18:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Aterna Uh, you should read the description for the Myrmidon sometime. It is described as a sturdier platform then the Brutix. And it is, it has more lows for tank, more mids for Ewar, less highs for offense. But it has heavy drones, so who really knows, right? I don't think the heavies do as much damage as a blaster Brutix. Quickfit is in a broken state right now so I can't really test it. However, you are right: the myrmidon is simply a better tanker than the Brutix. Therefor the statement "tier 1 = tank, tier 2 = damage" is WRONG. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Myrmidon tank > Brutix tank, while Myrmidon damage is not quite as much as a Brutix's damage (depending on setup and drone use - but heavy drone use is somewhat contingent on targets) Drake tank > Ferox tank, AND it does more damage. So its more like this: Tier 1 tanking, tier 2 is damage for Minmatar and Amarr, tanking for Gallente, and tanking AND damage for Caldari. Seems newly found forum warriors can't read. Again here, we got another good example of your undying obsessions for Caldari. Ferox and Drake have unique roles and Tanking wise, a Ferox is way cheaper and is the same good old effective ship. Drake can tank better sure. It's not exactly a big surprise given it has more midslots and is overall a better ship. Now, you can go on mumbling your usual bullcrap all you want, but you seem to fail to read like i said. I pointed out the fact the Tier1 were mainly made as a role to Tank, By CCP. Did i ever claim the ships were actually designed to be the tanking versions out of both Tiers? No. Stop telling me things i already know. You can say anything you want about the Myrmidon VS Brutix. Fly the Myrmidon till you find someone with a brain and you'll notice why the Brutix would be coming out on top at that exact moment. Oh and, I'd never expect a Tier 2 Battlecruiser that cost 50% more than a Tier 1 to have some kind of "better" attributes to it, it's just not possible. Again, it's only a stupid world you live in, where you don't seem to realise it isn't Caldari-Online. It's simply the way CCP developers think. EVE is turning into a game where specialisation isn't needed and everyone now flies a bit of every race. Noone will only fly one race and go "oh, i can use drones, i won't train for this ship because X RACE sucks". Go spam another topic that has something to do with caldari or nosses
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:46:00 - [43] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 19/12/2006 19:49:33 Anything having to do with blaster ships has to do with Caldari and NOSes. Stop wasting your time. I'm not going to stop ***ing, and I won't stop trolling your pathetic "understanding" of game mechanics. EDIT: Originally by:** Andrea Jaruwalski EVE is turning into a game where specialisation isn't needed and everyone now flies a bit of every race. Noone will only fly one race and go "oh, i can use drones, i won't train for this ship because X RACE sucks". Specialization not needed... hahahahahaha What's your thing for drones BTW? You keep talking about drones. This topic ISN'T about drones; it is about blasters. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.19 19:51:00 - [44] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 19/12/2006 19:46:58 Anything having to do with blaster ships has to do with Caldari and NOSes. Stop wasting your time. I'm not going to stop *****ing, and I won't stop trolling your pathetic "understanding" of game mechanics. Maybe you're simply blinded by your own stupidity if you can't understand this. Oh and back in 2003, I think i had a better understanding of the game mechanics than you ever did. Yea, Have fun replying to that. Game as evolved and obviously, your 2006 experience of the game as evolved with it thru the years
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.19 20:01:00 - [45] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 19/12/2006 20:03:06 Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski epeening Age does not imply understanding. This babyish troll-fest is stopping. NOW. This is a derailment to the OP. I have my opinions, and you have yours. You haven't substantiated yours any more than I've substantiated mine. Let it go. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.19 20:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 19/12/2006 20:02:27 Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski epeening Age does not imply understanding. This babyish troll-fest is stopping. NOW. This is a derailment to the OP's points. I have my opinions, and you have yours. You haven't substantiated yours any more than I've substantiated mine. Let it go. Sorry, Age dictactes Experience, Experience dictacte better understanding of game mechanics and furthermore better opinions about certain subjects As for blasters, and the whole topic.. Blasters are still good, and the only thing that affected blasters with Kali is bassicly "solo work".
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.19 20:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Crellion on 19/12/2006 20:36:09 They have been buffed and nerfed at the same time in my small experience. Buffs: They are more lonely in the solo-viable BS killers class. They have more hp to throw away on approach. Nerf: There is no way now you can kill a plated/passive shield + Nos user in time. Overall impression: Severely nerfed as general purpose vehicules. Slightly buffed as "pick your target" vehicules, I find. Edit: I wont comment on the rumored success (?) of 4 Nos - 4 Neutron set ups on Hyperions - Rokhs etc. These set ups are an abomination in the eyes of our Lord and you wont catch me flying one ever Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.19 21:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Crellion Edit: I wont comment on the rumored success (?) of 4 Nos - 4 Neutron set ups on Hyperions - Rokhs etc. These set ups are an abomination in the eyes of our Lord and you wont catch me flying one ever Well, The real abomination here is the lack of talent to develop a Blaster boat. And i don't want to point fingers when it comes to this It's quite obvious there's something wrong with the hyperion as a "blaster" boat or whatever blasterboat we got. The real problem is the fact the hyperion has a tanking bonus, the fact it uses ALOT of cap like any blaster ship and if you dedicate all your lows for tanking, why not just try to feed it more with a bunch of NOS. The damage is pathetic, and the majority of people fitting electrons and NOS on their hyperions are quite short minded or have really pathetic abilities when it comes to fitting ships. It's tricky, but it's doable. Or maybe it's the flavor of the month to fly a new ship with ** setups. As ** as it may be, if it works, that's all you need..
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Crellion Edit: I wont comment on the rumored success (?) of 4 Nos - 4 Neutron set ups on Hyperions - Rokhs etc. These set ups are an abomination in the eyes of our Lord and you wont catch me flying one ever Well, The real abomination here is the lack of talent to develop a Blaster boat. And i don't want to point fingers when it comes to this It's quite obvious there's something wrong with the hyperion as a "blaster" boat or whatever blasterboat we got. The real problem is the fact the hyperion has a tanking bonus, the fact it uses ALOT of cap like any blaster ship and if you dedicate all your lows for tanking, why not just try to feed it more with a bunch of NOS. The damage is pathetic, and the majority of people fitting electrons and NOS on their hyperions are quite short minded or have really pathetic abilities when it comes to fitting ships. It's tricky, but it's doable. Or maybe it's the flavor of the month to fly a new ship with ** setups. As as it may be, if it works, that's all you need.. Not really, this just shows that NOS/Neutz need a serious nerf, actually neutz is sorta balanced but NOS... Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.**


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