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Rodj Blake	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:25:00 - [61] Quote: Edited by: Mongo Peck on 25/11/2003 11:19:03 The rules are very simple ...... if you can't defend yourself then be in .5 or above ..... If your sent there by a mission ... then contact the GM's And would you have known this on your first day? Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Ardanwen	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:27:00 - [62] Quote: Not my problem. Thats ccp's problem. Its her own fault that she got killed 4 times. She shoulda learned the first time and stoped. Aahh the nice ignorance of Tank CEO, i guess you should stop undocking now too heh after gettnig killed before your screen loaded? I'm sure that would be an overal imporvement in the game. Learn your lesson tank, don't undock, it will only get you killed
Hardin	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:28:00 - [63] I just wish all of the people moaning about Tank CEO would stop moaning here and do something about it. Last night PIE (and a few other Corps) had pilots in Sarum Prime for about 3/4 hrs during the peak European hours. Tank CEO hid in station and repeatedely logged in and out (apart from one mini-battle with one of our BS pilots). The fact is that 4 or 5 people in BS can keep Sarum clear of pirates most nights. This does tend to happen most nights (at least during peak the European hours) but I note from the log that these attacks were happening at 02.58 or so when most 'sane' Europeans have gone to bed. Why is it that after 12.00/01.00 Tank CEO and his buddies come out to play? It is because no one takes responsibility for taking them on... Please please please stop moaning about Tank and get off your arses and do something about it. He and the other campers are not unbeatable by a long shot... and as far as we are concerned as 'anti-pirates' do not use griefing tactics either. If you really feel he is 'destroying' the community then get a few BS together and spend a few hours patrolling Sarum - rather than moaning about it in here... FFS the system is only 2 jumps from Yulai, 3 from Pator, New Caldari, Luminaire etc... You telling me that a few anti-pirate ships cant be scrapped up from that? It is sad this new guy lost his ship... and it is sad that he has decided to leave the game... but if people were really upset about how piracy was destroying the community then they would put their money where there mouth is (as PIE, Deathstar International, EVE Marshalls and other individuals do) and go down to Sarum and keep the system clean for noobs doing agent missions... If this game is being killed it is not through the antics of Tank CEO and his band of cronies it is through the self-interested, selfish, isk obsessed interest of the EVE community as a whole!
Miso	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:31:00 - [64] Hear Hear! Far easier to Hurumph! about it on the forums than it is to actually do something about it. Also, I just agreed with Hardin on something... I'll be wearing stay-pressed trousers next and ironing my underpants -------------------------------------------- Dead
pr0toss	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:31:00 - [65] Quote: As far as i know, you get a pop-up whenever you jump into risky territory. Most people don't read it and press the option to never see the message again. Sure that popup exists, but when you use autopilot it doesnt show, it only shows if you jump manually.
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:33:00 - [66] JIP camping is a serious issue that should have been looked at when it was first noted. It hurts PvP ... it doesn't help it at all. Why hasn't it been fixed yet? who knows. I've played a couple of MMOGs... patience is a virtue... coping with frustrations like this is another. As for Tank there is absolutely nothing anyone can do. In games where you have PvP there will always be players who want to play it easy. Players that will hugegroup/trap/hit easy targets/run/hide/use every possible legit way to ensure their victory. JIP camping will go sooner or later. Tank will still be what you people call "lame" trying to score kills in the fastest, safest way possible. That is what he does... it makes him happy and as long as it is legit (JIP camping unfortunately IS possible AND legit atm) noone can demand he changes. Wether you agree or disagree with it is completely irrelevant. Wether you think he is lame or cool is again completely irrelevant. The sight of BS only fighting BS only "griefs" my gaming experience. It ruins the atmosphere of the game for me. I cannot demand that the players change though.... that's what they like doing and unfortunately for me the game supports it. The only thing i can do is propose a change to the Devs. There will always be players which you consider lamers or griefers no matter what. Players that will use every advantage, avoid what you consider proper PvP and go for the lame/easy kills. It's an accept it or leave it situation i am afraid. You main problem here is JIP camping not Tank. Pain is meant to be felt
Matanga	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:34:00 - [67] OK people what's happenning here??? Tank personally I think you stink (and I can't wait to have enough firepower to send you back to your clone).But you have the right to do what you do. I believe that what people don't understand is that EVE is ours, not CCP's. Stop whinning and let's do something about it. Ok this system is dangerous, let's patrol it.Let's organize our own "CONCORD" and protect the people that need to be protected. I call to all the players concerned by this or other simular issues to form a "Player Police" force to patrol key systems (starting with this Sarum Prime) If you think I'm crazy or just plain stoopid, you may be right. But I tell you this: This is a MMORPG. CCP should be reacting to our actions and not we reacting to theirs "ÆIn accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.Æö George Orwell ô1984ö
Q NO2	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:36:00 - [68] LOL @ tank for being proud of pounding a newb well played Tank - proved yet again that you are a Uber JIP fighter no-one can kill people who's screens are loading like you all those Uber fighting skills of yours being put into full effect now eh?
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:41:00 - [69] "The fact is that 4 or 5 people in BS can keep Sarum clear of pirates most nights." I appluad the efforts of such players, but... ...is it not as boring (if not more) to sit at a JIP to keep it clear, than it is to sit there waiting for noobs to gank? I have to laugh when people tell me to stop whining about "campers", and to go do something about it (like camp a stargate or JIP). My whole argument is to eradicate camping, not to proliferate it. I hope CCP can somehow help everyone out by giving pirates & bounty hunters more options than just camping, I can't stress how lame of a PvP tactic it is, especially the JIP variety, very lame... In the future, there must be some other way for PK'ers to get there jollies other than underhanded camping tactics. I hope CCP figures it out. Because if the chat log that was posted here is true, it's a very sad statement of why this game is not up to snuff as far as subscription numbers are concerned. And all you PK'ers can degrade and belittle noobs and carebears all you want, but the facts remain that your actions sometimes envoke people to stop playing this game and look elsewhere, and I hope we can all agree that that is a bad thing for EVE. "Trust No One"
StealthNet	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:50:00 - [70] Quote: (...) Personally i wish you would stfu cause you do **** me off and its going to get me banned from this game. It's about time. _______________________________________________
Slithereen2	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:51:00 - [71] Edited by: Slithereen2 on 25/11/2003 11:52:27 Whether it's who and who's fault it does not matter. What matters is that the damage has been done. And it's not just one person, but possibly in the hundreds, since this occurs everyday, not just in one region, but in all regions and for quite some time now. Hundreds of subscriptions lost. Everyday I look at the number of logins just before I login. Just this month it's down by 40%. I usually login 2 hours before DT. Last September there was an avg of 2200 players. Now it's fallen under 1300. Players are lost for many reasons, but we are not gaining replacements fast enough. We are not adding newbies fast enough. The precious few that is added, we lose them. Then they spread the word that EVE is a lamer MMO full of PK'ers. We are losing playes in both ends---from the high, experienced core, and our new players. Ger serious peeps. We are riding a train heading to a deadend if we don't turn this around. The clock is ticking now. Tick. Tock. Love Slaves for Bald Headed Amarrian Men
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.11.25 11:55:00 - [72] Quote: ...is it not as boring (if not more) to sit at a JIP to keep it clear, than it is to sit there waiting for noobs to gank? I have to laugh when people tell me to stop whining about "campers", and to go do something about it (like camp a stargate or JIP). My whole argument is to eradicate camping, not to proliferate it. 1. Stargate and JIP camping is not the same thing. 2. If you are too bored to hunt the pirates out DO NOT WHINE WHEN THEY CAMP THE PLACE. 3. If you want to wait for CCP to fix this you are accepting the camping that will go on up until the fix, thus whinning about it is pathetic to say the least. Pain is meant to be felt
Rizzy	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:01:00 - [73] Tank CEO is nothing more than a griefer, dude please play another game, your obviously not wanted here, you only contribute hardship to other players that just want to play the game without you popping up your ugly head, your making people leave the game, you are a liability and should be banned.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:02:00 - [74] Player police corps...keep thinking about it people it's a good idea . I'm just wondering. If someone (or several someones) decided: Right, screw this for a laugh. And then went off and wrote and entire frickin' manual for Eve. Plus the tutorial. Would CCP be bothered using it? Because quite frankly I, and a lot of other people quite probably, am very bored with reading this junk on the forums time and time again. Would anyone here be willing to spend a bit of time in a group hashing out a manual for CCP? -Don't give me any "It's not our job!!!11" stuff, if people would be interested in writing a manual, fine, if not then just ignore it. CCP obviously aren't going to do it. Not for a long damn time at least. Care to spend 60 minutes one night helping create a tutorial instead of listening to this rubbish on the forums 10 minutes every other day? Just an idea. It wouldn't solve everything, but it'd help a lot. _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:15:00 - [75] OMG...that shut everyone up pretty fast. _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:15:00 - [76] Tank should go back to using OGC or whatever in Counter-Strike.. All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Hardin	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:18:00 - [77] Quote: I hope CCP figures it out. Because if the chat log that was posted here is true, it's a very sad statement of why this game is not up to snuff as far as subscription numbers are concerned. As I said above CCP do not need to provide a solution... We can deal with this ourselves if people were willing to put a 'little' effort in!
Hardin	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:20:00 - [78] Quote: Player police corps...keep thinking about it people it's a good idea . I'm just wondering. If someone (or several someones) decided: Right, screw this for a laugh. And then went off and wrote and entire frickin' manual for Eve. Plus the tutorial. Would CCP be bothered using it? Because quite frankly I, and a lot of other people quite probably, am very bored with reading this junk on the forums time and time again. Would anyone here be willing to spend a bit of time in a group hashing out a manual for CCP? -Don't give me any "It's not our job!!!11" stuff, if people would be interested in writing a manual, fine, if not then just ignore it. CCP obviously aren't going to do it. Not for a long damn time at least. Care to spend 60 minutes one night helping create a tutorial instead of listening to this rubbish on the forums 10 minutes every other day? Just an idea. It wouldn't solve everything, but it'd help a lot. Made a start on that (one chapter anyway) - its on the EVE Beginners forum!
Avon	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:23:00 - [79] Edited by: Avon on 25/11/2003 12:25:37 A few points. Player numbers are dropping so PvP has to be limited before the game dies. BS I'd rather Eve died than it turned into some hand holding hippyfest PvE game. CCP have to fix the sec rating of Sarum Prime. BS People like PIE Inc, Deathstar International and Eve Marshalls are dealing with this issue in the correct manner. It is up to the players to take action, to take control. What is the point playing a game if you just get the Devs to change the bits you don't like? It is pointless, might as well just play Monopoly without the money. I have top respect for the people in the corps I have just mentioned, even though we stand on opposite sides of the fence. Pirates = Griefers. BS Pirates = pirates, griefers = griefers. Sure pirates may cause you grief, but they are doing it for profit, to make a living just like any other player in the game. Griefers get their kicks out of making other people upset. I have had 'agressive negotiations' with people in the past, only to find they had little of value and they were VERY upset, but not abusive. I have often then helped these people out financially to get them back on their feet, or given them their stuff back. That doesn't mean I give every moaning carebear their stuff, but sometimes there is a need to make a judgement call and deal with some people a little differently than the majority. I would love to jam and hold someone to ransom, but unfortunately it isn't really possible anymore. Well, possible maybe, but the people who it works on aren't the type of player who can afford to pay a ransom, so it is a little pointless. Piracy is part of the game. It says so on the box. If you don't like the thought that you can get blown to bits by other players, DON'T PLAY. Oh, and just because you can't see a reason for a pirates actions doesn't make them griefers. Maybe their reasons are just above your comprehension. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:30:00 - [80] Hardin, linky for those that can't seem to locate it? BTW...I meant an actual manual, to go out with all new copies of the game, and a new tutorial, to be implemented in the next patch, not some stuff to read on the forums. Because many (probably most) of the people who know sod all don't read the forums much at all. _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Saelek	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:31:00 - [81] Well theres an easy way to stop this, have autopilot turn off as a default b4 entering unprotected space and show a big fat warning along the lines of WARNING YOU WILL ENTER UNPROTECTED SPACE AND RISK LOOSING YOUR SHIP TURN BACK NOW. See, easy, tho i do agree with tank she coulda stopped comming...when id been playing the game for 1week i lost my rifter to Zap cus i was completely oblivious to the fact that fd- was a happy happy pirate haven (there could do with being some in station news board thats obvious to noobs so they can check out obvious known camping spots so if they fly thru it they do so knowingly, like the rest of us)... but i didnt go back to fd- for quite some time hehe.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:36:00 - [82] "I'm just wondering. If someone (or several someones) decided: Right, screw this for a laugh. And then went off and wrote and entire frickin' manual for Eve. Plus the tutorial" That is a great idea! I'd definitely be willing to help in any way that I can. In fact, a website with a downloadable fully comprehensive .pdf manual with screenshots etc, sounds like a novel idea, too bad CCP did not think of it! Seriously, I think this would be great, I hope someone grabs the horns of this one and runs with it. "Trust No One"
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:42:00 - [83] "As I said above CCP do not need to provide a solution... We can deal with this ourselves if people were willing to put a 'little' effort in!" Again, I applaud such efforts. However, as a part time player, I am unwilling to spend any time policing JIP's because of faulty game mechanics. If there are those who wish to use thier time actively making up for game flaws, I admire you, and you have my full support. Maybe if I was a 24/7 player I would join in, but I'd rather spend my 2hrs/day in the EVE universe playing the game the way I want, not the way I'm forced to play because of griefers. "Trust No One"
Jessica Logan	Posted - 2003.11.25 12:43:00 - [84] Quote: Tank CEO is nothing more than a griefer, dude please play another game, your obviously not wanted here, you only contribute hardship to other players that just want to play the game without you popping up your ugly head, your making people leave the game, you are a liability and should be banned. Hilarious coming from you, of all people, Rizzy.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2003.11.25 13:00:00 - [85] Avon, some good points in post, and I agree with most of what you say. However, the fact remains that we seem to have a problem where the game is directing players into pirate-infested systems on their first day. Whilst the playerbase does have a responsibility to keep Sarum Prime and other systems clear from the pirate menace, there will always be a low sec system somewhere that has PC pirates no matter how many pilots get involved in anti-pirate activities. And it can't be right that new players are sent into dangerous systems before they know the basics of the game. I'm not saying that Sarum Prime's sec rating should be changed - I'm saying that level 1 agents should not send inexperienced pilots into a deathtrap. It should be a simple matter for the devs to look at agent missions and remove .4 systems from the list of systems for level 1 missions. Now, tell me what happened when those federation soliders had you cornered that time, and all we heard was the gunshots. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Avon	Posted - 2003.11.25 13:05:00 - [86] Edited by: Avon on 25/11/2003 13:06:06 Sorry Rodj, I forgot to address that point specifically. I agree with you 100%. EDIT:- I ducked, everyone else got killed. :) ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.11.25 13:17:00 - [87] Quote: Edited by: Tank CEO on 25/11/2003 03:46:28 Lol, so what, he was the ignorant one to keep on jumping into there. I have no sympathy for noobs that enter .4 and lower space. They all get a warning from CCP warning them that they are in danger if they enter that system. So therefore, you are no longer a noob. We just thought it was a alt being annoying because we got alot of those. Tank CEO does a bow. Isn't that pretty. Is it a pretty ribbon bow for your pretty hair? 1) yOU didn't read the post 2) you don't give a **** anyway, so don't even front 3) the game gave a MISSION there, so see #1 above 4) proceed again to #2 5) it's 'TAKE a bow,' thou lummox. PS wtg jash! You're right, everyone is blameless. No one makes decisions or takes actions or is responsible for what they do. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Maud Dib	Posted - 2003.11.25 13:35:00 - [88] Quote: Edited by: j0sephine on 25/11/2003 09:08:24 ... A silly point perhaps, but... there's no word in that log that specifically points out it's Tank CEO who kept shooting that new girl. So the thread subject is misleading at least... And second, perhaps more important... i see people suggesting harassment petitions and all the funny stuff. Yet no one there shows a sign of interest in trying to find out the person responsible for the shooting, and actually contacting them about the whole matter. Why the heck is it easier to file petition, than to even try to open a convo first? This is after all another player we're talking about, not some NPC... ... Or if talking to pirates is below your dignity, then you could perhaps try to find someone already in the destination system, who'd help with that agent mission... or see if maybe the PIE folks aren't planning another of their security swoops in Sarum Prime soon, which would allow the new girl come through safely... (i don't mean the girl herself doing all that, she's new and doesn't know better. Those 'helping' her, though...) Seriously; this is multiplayer game first... non? o.O J0sephine I think one person in the logs suggested mailing the people who keep killing her to see if she could get through to complete her mission. I also think it got lost in the shuffle.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.11.25 13:38:00 - [89] d'you think it'd help if we all filed a petition on Maud's behalf to get it changed to Muad? You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.11.25 13:40:00 - [90] Edited by: Jash Illian on 25/11/2003 13:41:07 Quote: PS wtg jash! You're right, everyone is blameless. No one makes decisions or takes actions or is responsible for what they do. Don't read much do you, BH? Quote: This situation is a direct result of indulging what Tease and others attempted in the past. There's plenty of blame to go around. My point is that instead of giving into this bull** tactic, people need to shut up and deal with it until something better comes because: Many of them are as much to blame for this situation existing in the first place The game can't continue to bear the results of rushed, poorly thought out and poorly implemented hacks to respond to the hysteria And attempting to say that pirates are the cause of the player decline is just furcovered fanboi delusions. If a pirate is the cause for 1 person out of 5 people leaving, and that's being extremely generous, I'd say finding out why the other four** left is more important. Smilies removed, they were stretching the forum - Wrangler I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

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