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Fortune B
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Posted - 2006.12.19 20:11:00 -
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I have now read what i can find about ECM in the patch notes for Rev1 (kali) the only thing i have notised is that yeh they have nerfed so that a bb wuld have like 75% of ecm power it wuld have had before if you have Cruiser skill at lvl5.
The ECM strength of all ECM modules has been reduced by 50%.
X - 50% =0,5 X
The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
0,5 X + 50% =0,75 X (If you have the skill at lvl 5)
And i know about the low slot mods but i dont whant to count them.
I like EW and even tho i wuld like it to be as before i se these things above as a reasonable way to go cos they was maby a little overpowered before.
If my calculations are correct then no need to reply on the above.
However i do not like this random thingy i hear about.
I have read about people missing cycles. Whare can i read about how this works and is there a way to counter this by using a mod or a skill?
//Fortune B
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Derrys
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.19 20:16:00 -
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ECM has been random for a long time. You just compare the strength of the jammer against the sensor strength of the target ship. If you have a jamming strength of 3 and your target has a sensor strength of 12, then you have a 25% chance of jamming the target each cycle. There's no way to counter this except by raising the strength of your ECM.
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Fortune B
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Posted - 2006.12.19 20:25:00 -
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Ok so if i have 4 with strength 3 against a target with 12, do i have 1x 100% or do i have 4x 25% chanse?
So does this mean that a ECM with 3 in strengt can jam a bs with 24 in strength but it is just verry unlikely to happen?
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Derrys
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.19 21:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Fortune B
Ok so if i have 4 with strength 3 against a target with 12, do i have 1x 100% or do i have 4x 25% chanse?
The latter. You have four chances of 25% each which, if you do the math, turns out to be a 68% total chance.
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So does this mean that a ECM with 3 in strengt can jam a bs with 24 in strength but it is just verry unlikely to happen?
Yep, you'd only succeed one time in eight, on average. The "on average" part is what usually makes people think ECM is overpowered and/or worthless. Some people get jammed three times in a row by a fluke and say "Permajam, nerf ecm!!!111" and other people get frustrated because it seems like they can never jam anybody when in reality it's just a run of bad luck.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.12.19 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 19/12/2006 22:40:15
Random tends not to be as random as you may think because the software uses the computers internal clock to generate random numbers. You tend to get runs of good/bad luck because of this.
Also each sucessive EMC attempt will use the NEW Sensor levels to generate its percentage. If you already have 1 ecm with a str of 3 running on a 12 sensor str ship (now effectivly 9) and add another the percentage is based on lowering the 12 to 6 (so 50%).
What leads me to believe this? Launching 5 EC-xxx drones while already running 1 ECM module yourself gives you nearly 100% chance of jamming the ships (shoot, think of the drones as getting 5 more chances that get better and better each time).
After kali my thorax with 1 multispec and 5 ec-600 drones (along with ec-600 drones from 2 gang mates but no more actual modules) was perma jamming battleships (30 minute consecutive jam, we got bored after that and just assumed we got a 100% chance).
Anyone else able to reproduce this? Please try it because if its true the issue needs addressed before everyone figures out how awsome ec drones are. If it was just a run of good luck then it was an awfly long run of good luck). Its sort of lame if your whole gang can just throw out ew drones and lock everything down (fortunatly I've never seen anyone other than me actually use anything but the combat ones).
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.12.19 22:46:00 -
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ECM drones weren't hit by the 50% strength reduction.
And no, computers generate random numbers just fine. It's the programmers that screw it up.
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Fortune B
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:53:00 -
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So why did they nerf both ? i mean the random thingiy is a realy sever blow and now they lower the strength they cant be used effectivly any way now.
And alla caldari Recon ships are worthles now! sins they oly have ecm bonus and even with lvl 5 in all of those skills you wont have a working setup. So now caldari cant have any effective EW at all! From top of the line to a few feet through the ground.
Com on CCP - Do again, do right!
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Alchimista
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Posted - 2006.12.21 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Fortune B
...a bb wuld have like 75% of ecm power it wuld have had before if you have Cruiser skill at lvl5.
The ECM strength of all ECM modules has been reduced by 50%.
X - 50% =0,5 X
The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
0,5 X + 50% =0,75 X (If you have the skill at lvl 5)
//Fortune B
That's not correct.....BB still had a +5% bonus in RMR, so his power was already a +25%.
So in RMR a BB was a 1.25 strenght, in Kali is a 1.5
If you take off the 50% now nerfed in kali is a 0.75....that compared with 1.25....60% effectivness now, not 75% 
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AltRadhe
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:37:00 -
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a noral t2 racial ECM jammer has 3.7 strenght on that race type of sensor(magnetronic,ladar,radar,gravimetric).....but think that way.....lets say for scorpion...caldari ecm bs....5%bonus to ecm strenght per lvl....atlevel 4 u got 20%....
so with from lvl 4 bs..... put 4 signal distorsion amplifiers on low slots..(each 16% to ecm strength)......and with signal dispersion skill at lvl 5 u get anouther 25 strenght...... u will get 11...maybe 12 (currently i got 9.5)....maybe i`ll get those rigs for strenght increse.......so finaly u will be at the same **** u where in pre revelation.......when u can jammed an bs with no problems...only the diference now u will need to use an specialise ecm ship....not ;like pre rev...when even an f**ing frig with lot of cpu and cap can jam a bs
now is harder but can be done.....
PS: recon ships will have more strenght....
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Radhe
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Posted - 2006.12.22 12:42:00 -
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BTW with 2 racial(for same race) i got a a chance to jamm a bs like 3 times i can/1 miss
That because luck of skills and rigs....
but an battle cruiser i can keep jamming for like...ever.....
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