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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:21:00 -
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I’m rather annoyed. I’ve seen plenty of well thought-out, intelligent ideas and discussions by the members of this forum, on their thoughts on EVE/how EVE could be improved or whatever, which have impressed me greatly. But what hasn’t impressed me at all is the lack of a response to posts like these by CCP. I understand CCP ignoring posts that have been reduced to a flame-war, but there are posts out there with much merit, that also go ignored.
For example, omri's post on frigates which has become, on-the-whole, an intelligent discussion on ship-balancing… but, even well after a month of the original post, there has been no word from CCP on this topic. The good ideas on that post, like so many other good ideas and opinions on these forums, are (at least seemingly) going to waste due to a lack of CCP putting forth their opinions on non-CCP ideas/posts.
In these forums there is plenty of player communication, but very little CCP communication in return.
For example, don’t you just love the EVE Idea Lab? “Share your game-related suggestions and ideas with us.” Well, I might be more inclined to, if CCP actually replied to any of the posts. What is the point spending my time (or any of the other forum-goers time) trying to help EVE become better, if CCP don’t take the time to give their opinion on people’s ideas?
If the job of going through the posts on the forums is too much for the current workers of CCP to handle (no insult intended), someone who is not of CCP, should be appointed to relay the good ideas from the playerbase to CCP, and give official feedback on these ideas. I think this would help, and go a long way to improving CCP’s customer relations, which so many have become disheartened in.
Tyria.
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Khar'du
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:41:00 -
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 Right ! Completely correct and constructive post. But, as you have said, a complete waste of time
Now let's all decide on who to appoint as the player-base representative ! (this can get funny)
I vote Jash, hmmm no, I vote Jade, hmm no, I vote Stavros...
Well whatever, just make sure to flame the guy that gets the job
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Baggam
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:51:00 -
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Amen, all very true and too the point. Although the only people who will read and think that are us the fee paying players of EVE.
Oh well, back to crunching rocks so I can get a BS and stand a chance in this world.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2003.11.25 14:07:00 -
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oo. long posts.
I'll try and grab some time to read it all through.
My initial reaction would be that the first post has missed the dev blog on Signature Radius
and the inclusion of elite frigates when they're ready.
Those two things in combination may make it much less practical to go around without some sort of frigate protection.
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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2003.11.25 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tyria Evenstar on 25/11/2003 17:26:20
The first post was actually written before the dev blog on signature radius, so that's essentially a null point.
And anyway, even if it will take longer periods of time for bigger ships to target smaller ships, they can just mwd away and keep the smaller ship in the bigger ships optimal range, pummelling away the now-targeted smaller ship.
It is not just an issue of targeting speed, but also the speed of frigates in comparison to larger ships. (And also frigate balancing is not just an issue of speed either.)
By just installing a mwd (or perhaps a few afterburners), cruisers and battleships can become faster than frigates, and thus frigates loose their speed advantage over them (frigates are supposed to be the fastest ships), and then frigates cannot get into optimal range. And thus they get blown away.
But, enough of this. I didn't want this post to turn into a frigate post. There is a serious point in my post above, and I would ideally like some feedback from the community and CCP about it.
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.11.25 18:01:00 -
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Going by how this "community" has reacted to announcments in the past, it doesn't take too long to figure out why CCP *don't* respond to player ideas.
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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2003.11.25 23:36:00 -
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That doesn't make it right.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.11.26 00:11:00 -
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Maybe 'cause this isn't the forum for game improving ideas, the Idea Lab is.  
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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2003.11.26 01:21:00 -
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What's that supposed to mean Danton? This is not a post of a game-improvement idea; it's a post on CCP not taking the time to answer worthwhile posts.
I see no replies on the Idea Forums from anyone from CCP. This leads me to the conclusion that they do not seemingly read these posts, because I see no evidence to the contrary. Thus the Idea Lab is useless. Therefore player ideas or opinions anywhere on the forums become useless because they are not read (and replied to) by anyone who can make a difference. This is the problem I have - the lack of CCP feedback.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.11.26 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 26/11/2003 03:20:37
Yes I do think the devs need to have a bit more communication once in a while but to say there is no communication that is not correct either.
You are probably looking at the wrong forums.
There are many posts by Tomb for example, in the sticky threads in the Ships forum.
As for ideas for bringing back frigates and other good ideas, I'm sure CCP does not have the resources or the time to study and implement all these ideas. Talk is easy; implementation is much harder.
You have to recode the game. You have to test the bugs. If you work on one feature, you neglect the other since you don't have time for both. When you work on features, you probably can't work on content either. And it takes time to recode, then test. Everytime something new is added, bugs would result.
So the devs have to clearly prioritize.
As for the frigate issue, I don't see that neglected. Consider the signature targeting changes. Consider the addition of Elite and Tech 2 frigates. Other changes might come like cloaking and stuff.
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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2003.11.26 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tyria Evenstar on 26/11/2003 19:07:11
"As for ideas for bringing back frigates and other good ideas, I'm sure CCP does not have the resources or the time to study and implement all these ideas."
1) This is not a frigate post. It was one example among many of a good discussion that has been ignored by CCP.
2) I'm not asking them to implement all these ideas. (Although in some cases it would be good for cahnge to take place) I'm asking them to have the common courtesy to at least comment on ideas/discussions/posts that players have taken their time in making.
"There are many posts by Tomb for example, in the sticky threads in the Ships forum."
Those sticky threads in which TomB posted are the posts started by TomB. I'm talking of all of the good non-CCP posts that have been ignored.
"As for the frigate issue, I don't see that neglected. Consider the signature targeting changes. Consider the addition of Elite and Tech 2 frigates. Other changes might come like cloaking and stuff."
The signature targeting changes will mean nothing if battleships or cruisers can be faster than frigates, as I have said in a post above. Tech2 and Elite frigates will only help balance it if Elite frigates are Tech1. This is because it should be possible for tech1 frigates to be a threat (as I assume elite frigates will be) to bigger tech1 ships. As someone said on another thread: the rock > paper > scissors idea of balance.
I shall not let this thread go ignored.
Tyria.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.11.26 19:21:00 -
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Everyone thinks that their idea is so innovative and a gift from god everyone must hear of it. Fact is, there is nothing new there. We've been discussing ship balance along the same lines since before the game existed. And I dont think anyone knows a hoot more now about ship balancing since hardly anyone manages to get a decent PvP fight going in the first place.
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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2003.11.26 20:01:00 -
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Read: This is not a f*cking frigate or ship-balancing post. It was an example of a discussion that has not had any input or feedback from CCP. As have many, many other posts not had any feedback.
Whether or not the ideas in these posts are valid or not, we never find out because we never get any feedback on them.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.11.27 06:58:00 -
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The post you refered to was about frigates and ship balancing, which wasnt particularly stunning in 'intelligence'. This post is a plz 'hear me whine' post.
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xeno calligan
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Posted - 2003.11.27 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: xeno calligan on 27/11/2003 09:47:07
Let's try not to allow this thread to go OT (look at the titles for reference) or become a flamewar.
Sadly, I have always had the impression that the ideas forum was just a place for players to let off steam about all the nice things that "easily" could be implemented. As you say, dev posts there are very rare. I also find it quite odd that TomB post threads on fine-tuning in ships and modules rather than in patch review. To me that suggests that even patch review is place to side-track players so they don't go on a rampage when the devs don't listen.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.27 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 27/11/2003 11:52:17
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oo. long posts.
I'll try and grab some time to read it all through.
My initial reaction would be that the first post has missed the dev blog on Signature Radius
and the inclusion of elite frigates when they're ready.
Those two things in combination may make it much less practical to go around without some sort of frigate protection.
lol. red, you know NOTHING!!!
sad.
ps and, no, elite-frigates soon (TM) doesn t change anything!!!
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