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Salvos Rhoska 1481	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:32:53 - [1] - Quote This player's anecdotes and attempt at positivity, among the gloom and doom: 1) Skill points: Ive finally got some characters into a skill state where its slightly more about fine tuning, rather than building their basics. As a result I can do what I intended to do with them without it being an enormous arduous uphill struggle (which also was fun, but frankly frought with a lot of frustrations and inefficiency. Atleast that struggle prompted me to learn more and constantly adapt). Now I can start enjoying some degree of more reward compared to my effort output, with greater efficiency. Its not such a goddam arduous uphill struggle for a pittance. Its still difficult, but not nearly as effort/reward innefficient. This feels quite rewarding, for greater profits/effort, and because I put in the effort/time/learning to get here. I did this. I earned this. Furthermore my future options are now much wider, no only in terms of diversifying my options in my current activities off the same skill basis, but also in taking on new opportunities that were frankly impossible (or unfeasibly inefficient) till now. I think this is something quite understated in discussion on EVE. Some people think saying this straight out is counterproductive, in that it scares off potential newcomers. Some people think its false, because they themselves (by various expedient circumstances) did not have a hard time. But, my perspective is: -It takes a great deal of time and effort to build up a basis of knowledge, experience and raw skill stats in EVE, inorder to get good, efficient and reasonably comfortable in what you do. -It also is a threshold for what you CAN do, in that once you pass a certain (wide and rather steep) threshold on skilling/experience/knowledge, suddenly you find yourself much more capable of cross-training other hulls, deepening your involvement in a specific activity or diversifying into something completely different. Suddenly you find yourself capable of exploring activitied, and creating your own kind of content, that seemed impossible before. For me, passing this initial hurdle, has hugely re-invigorated my interest and excitement in EVE. Commuting on the bus, I now find myself staring aimlessly out the window, formulating all kinds of schemes and plans, sometimes jotting/mapping them out on a scrap of paper, for how to take advantage of this wonderful sandbox when I get home, with my characters now able to feasably atleast attempt them. I want everyone to feel this way, and for everyone to know that the more you put in the time/skills/experience/learning, the greater your opportunities and rewards are. Stick with it, and suddenly you will find EVE opening up to you in ways you never imagined. I think this needs to be stated more clearly anf often, particularly in this changing (i refuse to say evolved) gaming hobby environment. Stick with it, play hard and smart, and the rewards will come in ways you would not have even imagined possible. EVE is your oyster, but its gonna take some time/effort/risk to shuck open its shell to get at the meat, and perhaps, a pearl. 2) Multiple Accounts The benefit of running atleast two accounts simultaneosly cannot be understated. You multiply your opportunities immensely on either account in total, and quadratically again when the accounts synch together in concerted effort. You can enjoy EVE just fine on one, but once you try two, man, its a world of difference. In the current PLEX and RL economic situation globally, this can be hard to justify fiscally, but I guarantee you it is worth the investment, if you can spare it. Thought it seems counterintuitive against the cost for some people, especially initially, if you can make the investment now, it pays off enormously down the line, in isk, in what your opportunities in this sandbox are, finally, most importantly, your interest in the game. If you cant fly two accounts, for now, then the next best thing is FLY WITH OTHER PLAYERS. They can fulfill the same capacity as above, and then some. Certainly they will help you develop so that one day you can run 2 accounts for yourself., and then be in a position to contribute your doubled capacity and diversity to theirs, for even greater rewards and opportunities. 3) PLEX price The rise in PLEX prices (again, in a post seeking to be positive), is a challenge I accept. When I began EVE, I paid 6 month subs in total (I had IRL money to spend then and unrelated to PLEX price).. People have different motives and means, but for me, PLEXing my accounts is the bottomline concern for my accounts and actions. I want to exist in this EVE universe, as ingame entities, on ingame means. If I cant meet the PLEX price for my needs in my current activities, I am prompted to start looking for other ones. Last year at this time I had a sweet deal when, despite my noobness and ignorance, after missions boring me to death, I skilled appropriately to run HS combat sites. I researched the site details on the internets, wrote notes on them for reference. I researched Dotlan for activity, sec and system connections, to find an optimal system for my operation. That initial one was unfortunately **** (EVE UNI training hub, as I later found out.. Too much competition goddamit). So I went back, researched harder, and found an even better constellation, and relocated. I taped a piece of card with that system drawn on it , behind a pane of glass put of a picture frame. Bought a marker to write on it that I wipe with a q-tip dipped in a bottle cap of water (all of which now constant on my desk), so I could record the site codes I was not interested in, for better efficiency on my rounds. I learned excellent tricks from other players competing with me, and figured some of my own, which I use still to this day, and with which I defeat other competitors (available for 50mil upfront). PvE v PvP
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14448	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:33:41 - [2] - Quote How goes your space lawyer degree? You pass the space bar yet? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26234	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:36:29 - [3] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: How goes your space lawyer degree? You pass the space bar yet? Booo. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Paranoid Loyd 6966	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:36:53 - [4] - Quote That's interesting how you post positively with one alt and troll with the other. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Sal Marshall State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:46:11 - [5] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: That's interesting how you post positively with one alt and troll with the other. You're proof? If you know this, walk us through it, if not, begone troll.
Paranoid Loyd 6966	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:49:18 - [6] - Quote Oh look another alt. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11947	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:49:22 - [7] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: That's interesting how you post positively with one alt and troll with the other. Would not be the first one to do so, remember serene(o7)? Could also be confidential ballgag removal. They did both get rather stuck into the E1 scandal That said I quite like this thread. +1 forum candy for salvos (now get in the sigil, no that's "fun" rope) Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Paranoid Loyd 6966	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:53:50 - [8] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: That's interesting how you post positively with one alt and troll with the other. Would not be the first one to do so, remember serene(o7)? I do indeed, what you probably don't know is he was back with a different toon a few days after he put up his "leaving thread." He did a pretty good job of hiding his posting style until I said something that set him off and he started passively baiting me like he did with Serene. Then I called him out and he mysteriously disappeared again. Haven't notice his new toon yet but something tells me he is still lurking about. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Salvos Rhoska 1482	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:56:05 - [9] - Quote Continued-----> But, after my return, the value of the loot I sourced has dropped, and the constellation I used to roam has too many people running it. I laughed, and cried, when I competed with a guy running in exactly the the same hull and the same fit, as I had thought was my ingenious solution a year earlier, a year later. This guy was my brother from another mother. I still had one trick he didnt know, and won the loot, but I realised this endevour had run its course. And after a fond gf (of sorts, as no ship destruction involved), I set my sights elsewhere. This guy was doing it as well as I did before. He was my successor. Good for him. He can have it, and he deserves it. I will instead move on and outwards to greater adventures. To NS. Were I am now asshatting around in all kinds of noobish ways, but enjoying every single goddam second of it. So, PLEX price increase, (and HS saturation, which is a matter for another thread) is a double edged sword. Yes, it reduces the capacity of some players, with limited skill/experience/knowledge to make enough Isk inorder to PLEX. On the otherhand, its a very strong impetus to play smarter and try/figure things you otherwise would not have. Or atleast o make a plan to make those potentials possible for you. Roll with the punches. Adapt. Keep pushing your own comfort limits. STICK WITH IT. The potential of this game, and your participation in it, opens up on orders of magnitude the longer you participate in it. DO NOT STAGNATE. ADAPT. The opportunities are countless. Do not be afraid to try something new and different. The nature of this game, as PvP, is sooner or later someone is going to start pushing your corner. Outfight or outhink them, or go somewhere else. Or, to quote Monty Python "now for something completely different"! PvE v PvP
Sal Marshall State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:58:17 - [10] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Oh look another alt. As I thought.. a conspiracist. Think as you wish.. I"m certainly not the OPs alt. I'm an on-again/off-again player from southern california who sometimes subs when I've grown bored with other games.. something about this game appeals.. Just so you and I understand each other: the burden of proof for claims is on the claimant (YOU). No proof = your full of it. I pretty much knew you were before asking the question.. so this back and forth was a formality for me to really see if you had proof. You don't, so QED.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8613	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:01:53 - [11] - Quote Sal Marshall wrote: No proof = your full of it. However, your grammar is appalling, therefore I condemn whatever you say to the realms of rubbish. Begone, insignificant NPC alt. [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Sal Marshall State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:02:55 - [12] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Sal Marshall wrote: No proof = your full of it. However, your grammar is appalling, therefore I condemn whatever you say to the realms of rubbish. Begone, insignificant NPC alt. LOL.. at least your judgement is using positive fact rather than a LACK of fact. Bravo for that.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11948	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:03:15 - [13] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: That's interesting how you post positively with one alt and troll with the other. Would not be the first one to do so, remember serene(o7)? I do indeed, what you probably don't know is he was back with a different toon a few days after he put up his "leaving thread." He did a pretty good job of hiding his posting style until I said something that set him off and he started passively baiting me like he did with Serene. Then I called him out and he mysteriously disappeared again. Haven't noticed his new toon yet but something tells me he is still lurking about. Can't honestly say I paid him enough heed to pick up on that but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Sal Marshall wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Oh look another alt. As I thought.. a conspiracist.. Dude look at his name... Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Salvos Rhoska 1482	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:03:29 - [14] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: How goes your space lawyer degree? You pass the space bar yet? Im a failed lawyer. 3rd year dropout. (Ive never claimed to be a lawyer). On the upside, Im now a 3rd year nurse student, and finally found work that I enjoy and is fulfilling to me. PvE v PvP
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 352	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:03:32 - [15] - Quote You are sad too and in denial about it.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8613	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:04:40 - [16] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: You are sad too and in denial about it. I thought that we were in the Amazon... [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Paranoid Loyd 6968	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:04:59 - [17] - Quote Sal Marshall wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Oh look another alt. As I thought.. a conspiracist. Think as you wish.. I"m certainly not the OPs alt. I'm an on-again/off-again player from southern california who sometimes subs when I've grown bored with other games.. something about this game appeals.. Just so you and I understand each other: the burden of proof for claims is on the claimant (YOU). No proof = your full of it. I pretty much knew you were before asking the question.. so this back and forth was a formality for me to really see if you had proof. You don't, so QED. OK, random passerby "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Sal Marshall State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:07:10 - [18] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dude look at his name... Heh heh.. indeed.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 352	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:07:37 - [19] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Neuntausend wrote: You are sad too and in denial about it. I thought that we were in the Amazon... Boo!
Sal Marshall State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:09:26 - [20] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Sal Marshall wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Oh look another alt. As I thought.. a conspiracist. Think as you wish.. I"m certainly not the OPs alt. I'm an on-again/off-again player from southern california who sometimes subs when I've grown bored with other games.. something about this game appeals.. Just so you and I understand each other: the burden of proof for claims is on the claimant (YOU). No proof = your full of it. I pretty much knew you were before asking the question.. so this back and forth was a formality for me to really see if you had proof. You don't, so QED. OK, random passerby Passerby? Certainly! Random? Never.
Salvos Rhoska 1482	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:28:22 - [21] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: That's interesting how you post positively with one alt and troll with the other. Are you referring to me? Ive no interest in leaving, though I had to take a years break due to IRL, nothing to do with the game itself. You are being, well, paranoid, loyd. PvE v PvP
Paranoid Loyd 6970	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:32:24 - [22] - Quote The leaving and return of you and another big mouth coincides a little too closely to simply be coincidence. But go ahead and continue to deny it. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26240	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:41:32 - [23] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: The leaving and return of you and another big mouth coincides a little too closely to simply be coincidence. But go ahead and continue to deny it. I'm getting curious now. Who else is he supposed to be? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Cancel Align NOW Maas Industries 592	Posted - 2015.09.22 21:59:23 - [24] - Quote Tippia wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: The leaving and return of you and another big mouth coincides a little too closely to simply be coincidence. But go ahead and continue to deny it. I'm getting curious now. Who else is he supposed to be? This sounds like a fun game. Lucas Kell?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11952	Posted - 2015.09.22 22:15:06 - [25] - Quote Tippia wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: The leaving and return of you and another big mouth coincides a little too closely to simply be coincidence. But go ahead and continue to deny it. I'm getting curious now. Who else is he supposed to be? I said of him "you are so thoroughly concussed by the wrong end of this particular stick that explaining it further would be waste of both our time" bonus points if you remember why i said it Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Salvos Rhoska 1486	Posted - 2015.09.22 22:16:15 - [26] - Quote I even look like my main avatar (or alteast try to): http://oi59.tinypic.com/5fp7yv.jpg Im quite big on internet transparency, and where this any other game and community, Id readily give out my name and address. In EVE, though, this is somewhat problematic, for reasons understandable (and yet ironic, since so many meet each other at fests (which I hope to attend some year) and are public figures). One example being a particular person in this very thread who tried threatening a year ago to report me to local authorities for impersonating a qualified lawyer, which was false, as I never did so. Thats how deep some of the cancer has set here, unfortunately. Think of that what you will. I dont expect the same transparency from others. My ethics related to that only apply to myself. I assure you, Im the real deal. I do not, and have not, posted here with any other account. Now can we return to my topic, please? PvE v PvP
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11952	Posted - 2015.09.22 22:24:28 - [27] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: I even look like my main avatar (or alteast try to): http://oi59.tinypic.com/5fp7yv.jpg Im quite big on internet transparency, and where this any other game and community, Id readily give out my name and address. In EVE, though, this is somewhat problematic, for reasons understandable (and yet ironic, since so many meet each other at fests (which I hope to attend some year) and are public figures). I dont expect the same transparency from others. My ethics related to that only apply to myself. I assure you, Im the real deal. I do not, and have not, posted here with any other account. Now can we return to my topic, please? fair point, i supose we are being a tad harsh . show of faith, here i am at the eve-dublin meet recently (hint, i look absolutly nothing like my portrait) not touching that e1 topic again nope nope nope. i do rather like the op you put up though, echoes my own feelings somewhat (barr the plex bit). Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26244	Posted - 2015.09.22 22:24:45 - [28] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: I said of him "you are so thoroughly concussed by the wrong end of this particular stick that explaining it further would be waste of both our time" bonus points if you remember why i said it Remembering things? Pff. That's what eve-search is for. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11952	Posted - 2015.09.22 22:29:03 - [29] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: I said of him "you are so thoroughly concussed by the wrong end of this particular stick that explaining it further would be waste of both our time" bonus points if you remember why i said it Remembering things? Pff. That's what eve-search is for. La nariz, yourself and myself were labouring the point of afk cloaking (i think) with the person in question, isd Ezwal incinerated the thread a couple of time if i recollect Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Sal Marshall State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.09.22 22:29:06 - [30] - Quote Tippia wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: The leaving and return of you and another big mouth coincides a little too closely to simply be coincidence. But go ahead and continue to deny it. I'm getting curious now. Who else is he supposed to be? Honestly, does it really matter? Anything said at this point is just more grist for an already impossibly congested mill.

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