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Dillius Archania	Posted - 2006.12.22 05:47:00 - [1] Haven't been playing this game for terribly long but I want to get to the point where I can spend time in 0.0. Bout to get to the point where I can handle L4 missions for money in empire, at which point I'm gonna save up a chunk and start learning the ropes. Now I'm a heck of a forum lurker, and I keep hearing a ton of complaints about Amarr in general. Well I'm stubborn, so I'm not changing my race of choice. What I'd like is general opinions on good Amarr ships for ratting in 0.0 and/or holding their own in PvP, preferably solo if possible. I haven't chosen much of a route outside of heading towards battleships, and there are a ton of posts on individual ships and their module settings, many of which I've read through. I would just like an overall assessment of which ships are 0.0 and PvP friendly.
jbob2000 Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.22 06:13:00 - [2] The apoc is/used to be the king of 0.0 ratting. Dunno about it now, but it's probably pretty good against everything except for angels. And there's no such thing as solo pvp anymore... well only in ceptors, but then it's just ganking haulers and noob npcers.
Dillius Archania	Posted - 2006.12.22 06:24:00 - [3] Originally by: jbob2000 The apoc is/used to be the king of 0.0 ratting. Dunno about it now, but it's probably pretty good against everything except for angels. And there's no such thing as solo pvp anymore... well only in ceptors, but then it's just ganking haulers and noob npcers. Well lets not say "Solo PvP", more like the ability to keep myself from getting killed if I get in a 1v1 situation if one were to arise.
jbob2000 Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.22 06:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Dillius Archania Originally by: jbob2000 The apoc is/used to be the king of 0.0 ratting. Dunno about it now, but it's probably pretty good against everything except for angels. And there's no such thing as solo pvp anymore... well only in ceptors, but then it's just ganking haulers and noob npcers. Well lets not say "Solo PvP", more like the ability to keep myself from getting killed if I get in a 1v1 situation if one were to arise. In that case then, you want lots of nos, and an apoc can do that too! In all honesty, you will rarely ever find a 1v1 in 0.0 space, as nobody travels alone these days, they always have backup. For ratting, apoc is great cause it's got a solid cap for a solid tank. If you're fighting angels your best bet is to ditch the ship for a raven (unfortunately) or stick ACs on.
Dillius Archania	Posted - 2006.12.22 06:55:00 - [5] Fair enough. I definitely like the Apoc, but I'd like to hear opinions on basically all of the ships from BS through T2 levels, people's opinions who have flown these many Amarr ships, and how they stand in terms of lowsec usefulness.
Captain Dragotahl	Posted - 2006.12.22 07:30:00 - [6] I flew an apoc for over a year solely for 0.0 ratting of Sanshas and its really good. The ship can deal great damage and run a great tank indefinately which makes it a lot easier and stupidproof. Granted this is before tech2 ships, but since you say you havent been around to terribly wrong the apoc still sounds best. If I remember correctly it was 8 mega beams with multifreqs, 2 large reps with three hardners (depending on who your fighting), fill the rest of your low slots with cap power relays, and your medium slots with cap rechargers. What you need to do is make sure you get close to the best named or tech 2 version of pretty much everything and you can run your tank and guns nonstop. If you cant at first switch one of your large reps out for a medium one until you get better named items. To test it out use quickfit or go out and shoot at a corp member with your tank running until it works right. I was able to tank and kill any spawn, including true sansha spawns, with that setup no problem. Oh, and make sure your carrying drones for frigs.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.12.22 07:32:00 - [7] Retribution With good skills more than capable of taking on upto 1.8mill NPC's with ease. Though killing the larger isk ones proves time consuming. IT is however cheap, and manouverable should you suddenly need to leg it. Zealot In my opinion the best 0.0 ratting platform if your NOT in friendly space, manouverable and with enough dps to quickly take out allmost ANY Npc in a decent timeframe. Also most setups have enough spair CPU for a proto cloak up top enabling you to go for pee breaks without fear of being pwnd. Geddon/Apoc Low skills : Go apoc, good npc'er and tanks well. Good gunnery skills : Go Armageddon, Doesn't tank quite as well (over time) but with more dps you can simply gank the NPC's faster, and have more room for drones. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.22 07:44:00 - [8] Armageddon, it can do anything, and do it well. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Sheraad	Posted - 2006.12.22 09:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii pros and cons I think this nails it, the only thing I would add is a rather obvious point... zealot is fantastic for it, but then again you're risking a zealot. The worst case scenario is a lot worse in a zealot than if you're in a geddon, even if that scenario is less likely to actually come about.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.12.22 09:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Sheraad Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii pros and cons I think this nails it, the only thing I would add is a rather obvious point... zealot is fantastic for it, but then again you're risking a zealot. The worst case scenario is a lot worse in a zealot than if you're in a geddon, even if that scenario is less likely to actually come about. Fair point, but in my case if a Geddon goes down it costs me allmost the same as my Zealot The tech II crystals account for most of that loss Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.22 09:37:00 - [11] Absolution... fast, heavy firepower, insane tank, the best part is that actually you can npc in a pvp setup wich is always nice
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:11:00 - [12] Originally by: DeadDuck Absolution... fast, heavy firepower, insane tank, the best part is that actually you can npc in a pvp setup wich is always nice I always npc in a pvp setup...spose though that is why I dont really npc. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
jbob2000 Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.22 16:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Originally by: Sheraad Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii pros and cons I think this nails it, the only thing I would add is a rather obvious point... zealot is fantastic for it, but then again you're risking a zealot. The worst case scenario is a lot worse in a zealot than if you're in a geddon, even if that scenario is less likely to actually come about. Fair point, but in my case if a Geddon goes down it costs me allmost the same as my Zealot The tech II crystals account for most of that loss Alliaanna you use t2 ammo for pve???
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.22 16:26:00 - [14] A gankageddon with a weak EM/therm tank is an extremely fast ratter if you're in Sansha or Blood Raider space. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Dupac Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.22 17:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Retribution With good skills more than capable of taking on upto 1.8mill NPC's with ease. Though killing the larger isk ones proves time consuming. IT is however cheap, and manouverable should you suddenly need to leg it. Zealot In my opinion the best 0.0 ratting platform if your NOT in friendly space, manouverable and with enough dps to quickly take out allmost ANY Npc in a decent timeframe. Also most setups have enough spair CPU for a proto cloak up top enabling you to go for pee breaks without fear of being pwnd. Geddon/Apoc Low skills : Go apoc, good npc'er and tanks well. Good gunnery skills : Go Armageddon, Doesn't tank quite as well (over time) but with more dps you can simply gank the NPC's faster, and have more room for drones. Alliaanna agreed - but if you want to kill angels at a reasonable pace and are determined to use amarr ships try a curse 1 med nos - 4 arby heavy launchers (havoc) 10mn mwd - large shield extenders - hardeners inertia stab - nano - 2 BCS II 2 beserker - 2 valk - 1 warrior just orbit at 15km at about 2.5 km/s and kill them all - stick in a shield boost if you want but there's no need - I've killed plenty of triple bs spawns in this with no problems. With the curse resists I usually fit the hardeners for em and therm in case I get jumped - explosive resist is already very high - the nos will keep your mwd running all the time.
Borasao	Posted - 2006.12.22 17:25:00 - [16] Quote: In that case then, you want lots of nos, and an apoc can do that too! In all honesty, you will rarely ever find a 1v1 in 0.0 space, as nobody travels alone these days, they always have backup. ...or six or eight.
O'Sirius Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.22 17:28:00 - [17] Apoc is what I use for PvE. For solo PvP only thing I would advise is Pilgrim... Maybe Curse, but easier to lose a Curse cause you're not hidden all the time.
Atomic Mayhem Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2006.12.22 17:29:00 - [18] Originally by: DeadDuck Absolution... fast, heavy firepower, insane tank, the best part is that actually you can npc in a pvp setup wich is always nice /signed
Dillius Archania	Posted - 2006.12.22 19:31:00 - [19] Sounds great to me. Maybe this will help some other starting Amarr players as well.
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.12.22 21:04:00 - [20] Good advice here...thanks to all the experts who contributed. Looking at my budget/skill training ladder i think i'll aim for a Arbitrator and then for a Curse (i like drones ). One Empire, One People, One Emperor, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
Carzaro Merious Amarr KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.23 05:14:00 - [21] Once you get your tanking and gunnery skills up some, the harbinger is turning out to be a real nice ship for a great, all around alternative... and cheaper!
Lubricity Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.12.23 05:26:00 - [22] A cap rigged Abaddon might be worthwhile... anyone used one in PvE yet? ========== Insert witty quote here
DrEiak Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.23 06:36:00 - [23] Geddon/harbringer
Dillius Archania	Posted - 2006.12.24 06:33:00 - [24] Originally by: DrEiak Geddon/harbringer That does have my curiosity peaked. I haven't heard much first hand testing of the Harbinger in PvP situations, either gang or solo. Anyone care to share some?
BlackHorizon Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.24 07:36:00 - [25] Launcher Curse.

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