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Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2006.12.24 16:10:00 -
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Hi,
Does anybody have one of those charts which shows the damage at different ranges with different ammo types for a Torp Raven and Blasterthron.
Thnx
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.24 17:12:00 -
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quickfit shows a T2 Torp raven with all support at lvl4 doing about 475 dps, a T2 blasterthron with all gunnery support at lvl4 doing 850 dps. Both are using T2 drones with identical Drone skills. Both were tested with battleship 4.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2006.12.24 17:16:00 -
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best is you download the dps spreadsheet.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.12.24 17:23:00 -
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Raw DPS comparisons between guns and missiles are silly, because in an acctual fight guns tend to loose more damage to tracking and range factors then missiles ever will...
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Roflberry Pwncakes
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Posted - 2006.12.24 17:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Noriath
Raw DPS comparisons between guns and missiles are silly, because in an acctual fight guns tend to loose more damage to tracking and range factors then missiles ever will...
And of course, to not be horribly biased, let's remember that missiles don't get well aimed, excellent or wrecking hits. Thanks 
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Dr Einkeisel
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.24 18:15:00 -
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and they dont deal direct damage, so depending on range also.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.24 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Roflberry Pwncakes
Originally by: Noriath
Raw DPS comparisons between guns and missiles are silly, because in an acctual fight guns tend to loose more damage to tracking and range factors then missiles ever will...
And of course, to not be horribly biased, let's remember that missiles don't get well aimed, excellent or wrecking hits. Thanks
Nor do they get lightly hits, barely scratches... You know in the interest of not being biased, you would have to agree that the fact that guns can get various types of hits, doesn't make a nats-arse of differance in the final calculation.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.24 18:21:00 -
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Naughty boy made a graph in which tracking was taken into account. The thing that struck me as amazing in that graph was that the torp raven did more damage then any other weapon system out there. Save for blasters, in about a 1km range, oh whoopty do da.
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Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2006.12.24 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Naughty boy made a graph in which tracking was taken into account. The thing that struck me as amazing in that graph was that the torp raven did more damage then any other weapon system out there. Save for blasters, in about a 1km range, oh whoopty do da.
Could I see this graph?
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Kenneys
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Posted - 2006.12.24 19:23:00 -
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Torp ravens are only good in a gang fight. Even then, a blasterthron is still better.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.24 20:30:00 -
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How many people are target painting for the raven?
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2006.12.24 20:35:00 -
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probably thats why im always getting shot in pieces by a mega.. my ueber torp damage oO
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Razin
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Posted - 2006.12.24 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Raw DPS comparisons between guns and missiles are silly, because in an acctual fight guns tend to loose more damage to tracking and range factors then missiles ever will...
Another variant of comparison should be calculated based on the Raven pilot directing his drones at Mega's drones first.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: d026
probably thats why im always getting shot in pieces by a mega.. my ueber torp damage oO
No, you're dying because the Mara camping squad isn't up to snuff with Outbreak. That has very little to do with Torpedos.
Firing T1 torps, sans T2 rig (which would make an extra 5% possible) - maxed out torpraven does 688 dps without drones. All Kali has changed in that regard is that it does so at 400m explosion radius now, as opposed to the old 300m and without the former 250km range.
On the upside, it gets to do 825.6 to Battleships with a maximum of 2 painters now. 1 painter with skills really for everything except Minmatar and low-tier Amarr.
Anyway, nasty doesn't quite describe how good missiles still are. Completely incompetent doesn't quite describe how bad most users are either.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:12:00 -
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Back when Tuxford reduced the fitting needs for Neutron blasters he posted a graph showing the DPS against range for the four weapon types - a torp Raven (for comparison), a Blasterthron, Pulse 'geddon and an AC Pest.
The Megathron only outdamaged the Raven at very short range, IIRC between five and seven km and it was the only ship which did. Needless to say the idea that their AC'pests and Pulse 'geddons were being universally outdamaged by a "short range weapon" which also significantly outranged and that "the highest DPS weapon in game" only barely outdamaged what was supposed to be the lowest infuriated some pilots.
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Levin Milraco
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:17:00 -
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Raven with MWD, Torps and kiting vs Mega with MWD, neutron blaster and chasing...
= Raven win and one very annoyed mega pilot...
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CrestoftheStars
Deviance Inc
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Raw DPS comparisons between guns and missiles are silly, because in an acctual fight guns tend to loose more damage to tracking and range factors then missiles ever will...
yep.. its silly that guns can totally miss.. but a missile moving so much slower can't:P
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CrestoftheStars
Deviance Inc
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kenneys
Torp ravens are only good in a gang fight. Even then, a blasterthron is still better.
what?! lol a jav torp raven will rip anything apart 1v1 ;)
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars
what?! lol a jav torp raven will rip anything apart 1v1 ;)
Um...you are aware that javs got nerfed to hell with Kali, right?
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Takahashi Chiaki
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
Firing T1 torps, sans T2 rig (which would make an extra 5% possible) - maxed out torpraven does 688 dps without drones. All Kali has changed in that regard is that it does so at 400m explosion radius now, as opposed to the old 300m and without the former 250km range.
I'd like to stress that this is *damage of the damage type he wants*.
For example, against a typical armour tank, this means you hit a 60-75% resistance (expl or em) instead of being forced to go against the kin/thermal resists.
On top of that, you can make any blaster user very ****ed if you play with range. Aproach him and stay at 0m, and he'll never hit. Move away from him from early on, and he'll burn a lot of cap.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.25 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/12/2006 00:40:00
Originally by: Kenneys
Torp ravens are only good in a gang fight. Even then, a blasterthron is still better.
One by one, people are coming back to realize the obvious truth.
Cast aside your ignorance and denial!
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Naughty Boy
Chronics of ordinary hate
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Posted - 2006.12.25 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/12/2006 00:59:52
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Cast aside your ignorance and denial!
There is no denial in this thread 
The spreadsheet is linked in the thread you can access through my sig. Marn Prestoc is maintaining it and keeping it up-to-date for a little while. Graphs can be found in my post history at the very least...
NB.
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Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2006.12.25 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/12/2006 00:59:52
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Cast aside your ignorance and denial!
There is no denial in this thread
The spreadsheet is linked in the thread you can access through my sig. Marn Prestoc is maintaining it and keeping it up-to-date for a little while. Graphs can be found in my post history at the very least...
NB.
That is very nice. Thnx just what I was looking for.
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2006.12.25 02:09:00 -
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Blaster mega do 0 dps while mwding toward the raven
all the while raven pound mega with rage torps
calculate dps then.
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J Frost
Gallente
The Silent Rage
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.25 02:23:00 -
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Did anyone mention the optimal range of torps and blasters? Try to calculate that again!
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.25 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/12/2006 00:59:52
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Cast aside your ignorance and denial!
There is no denial in this thread
Hmm. I guess, maybe you're right... 
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2006.12.25 07:04:00 -
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mega does WAY more damage, dont listen to teh forum whiners, they are alwasy jealous of every other gun system than their own
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Kayden Drake
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.25 08:37:00 -
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Lol, one thing no one has mentioned, is that torps wont hit for full damage unless there is a target painter of some sort invovled, and even then only against battleships. They can be webbed to a standstill and torps will only hit frigs for like 1/10th damage w/o a painter. Blasters on the other hand will hit for full damage no matter the target if conditions allow. Thus a torp raven might beat a blasterthron 1 v 1 by the nature of torps, but against anythign smaller the blasterthron is more usefull. Hence why its more usefull in gangs, because someone ALWAYS webs the target, but someone doesnt always paint it.
Id put my money on a Blasterthron doing better against an HAC or command ship than a torp raven.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.25 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/12/2006 09:52:07
Originally by: Kate Nexus
mega does WAY more damage, dont listen to teh forum whiners, they are alwasy jealous of every other gun system than their own
Don't listen to these people!
They just don't want to admit that their weapons are better than everyone else's, for fear that CCP will dust off the ol' nerf bat!
edit: blatant troll. if you reply to this, you're an idiot.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap... |
Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.25 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 25/12/2006 09:51:36
Originally by: Kayden Drake
Torps are designed to be battleship killers, they SHOULD be the best at that when they are severely hindered in all other aspects. (and no, Im not a raven-*****, Im an amarr pilot)
But - when fired at 5-10km, should they be comparable to the DPS of a weapon system that is supposed to be the HIGHEST DPS in the game?
... while using no cap?
... while never missing?
... with their range? (which, granted, means nothing for solo... but who gives a **** about solo anyway?)
I think not.
Take note: ACs using no cap and their range ( ) is the "justification" for ACs far inferior damage. WTF? When another weapon system can choose its damage, use no cap, have far better range, no tracking issues, etc... oh puhhleeze.
But that's just my crazy delusions.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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