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Adooni H.O.M.E.W.O.R.L.D 1	Posted - 2015.10.16 05:59:58 - [1] - Quote I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die.
Paranoid Loyd 7196	Posted - 2015.10.16 06:14:46 - [2] - Quote Adooni wrote: My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. To run 3 accounts its cost me $1.08/day by paying 12 months at a time. Even if you pay by the month it still costs less than $2/day. If you cant afford to pay that, I can confidently say you should not be spending your time playing video games. Adooni wrote: PLEX price The market determines the price of plex. If you cant make enough in game to afford it, quite frankly you are not putting in enough effort or you are not very good at the game. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Adooni H.O.M.E.W.O.R.L.D 1	Posted - 2015.10.16 06:45:10 - [3] - Quote I see you are missing pint of my post but you and I have same rights we are at opposite site - I want this game to have a lot of players for example just now you have 13k online at beginning of 2015 was 22k+ at the same time. From 2014 about 100 of my colleagues left game because of PLEX price and as player that would like to EVE I am trying to find solution. In 2014 were often we seen 30k+ online now we can just dream about it and recall god times. I am still playing game and lvl up 2 chars in the same time but there is a lot of players that leaving game because of PLEX price. For sure not this year but maybe next year or year after EVE Online will be like a desert and I do not what this.
roberts dragon The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2015.10.16 07:31:41 - [4] - Quote would say plex has gone to high ccp needs new players so things will have to change the current state of play is not getting more new players so game they way it is has to change so like anything else out with the old and in with the new.
Do Little Red Frog Freight Red-Frog 200	Posted - 2015.10.16 07:54:45 - [5] - Quote The price CCP charges for PLEX hasn't changed in the time I have been playing the game. $19.95USD with volume discounts and occasional sales. Every PLEX in the game was originally purchased by someone for real world money and that isn't likely to change - CCP is a business and can't afford to give their product away. In game, the price is set by supply and demand. If more people want to use PLEX to pay for game time than want to sell PLEX for ISK, the price (measured in ISK) will increase.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9245	Posted - 2015.10.16 08:00:12 - [6] - Quote Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here. Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 1299	Posted - 2015.10.16 08:05:27 - [7] - Quote Adooni wrote: If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B. You may be being optimistic. CCP have just unveiled another new use for PLEX, tailored towards the sort of players who can buy at any price. The speculators will very soon be at work pumping up PLEX price again in anticipation of this change.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 376	Posted - 2015.10.16 08:22:05 - [8] - Quote Nobody is entitled to playing the game for no pay (Cash, is what I mean by that). Eve is not a Free2Play game. One month is 20 bucks at worst - that's a tad more expensive than some other games, that cost 15 bucks or so, but that's not too far out of the line in my book. 20 bucks a month - that's the baseline to go from. Are you willing to pay 20 bucks a month for the game or not? Buying PLEX with ISK is an option, sure, but it only changes who paid those 20 bucks - they are still being paid, just not by you, but by the player selling the PLEX on the market. You cannot expect another player to pay for your account with less of a compensation (ISK), and CCP cannot in the long term effectively lower the PLEX price without removing things you can do with PLEX (AUR/NES, Character Transfer) and by doing that, they'd also hurt their income.
Captain Awkward Republic University Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:23:03 - [9] - Quote So lets say CCP sets a limit of 500m for PLEX. Do you think you can play the game for free now ? In reality, PLEX for this cheap would be sold out very soon as many people could afford it. So you sit in the station and wait infront of a dry market that someone puts up a PLEX that gets bought within seconds. The only way that plex prices will go down is when ether less people want to buy plex from the market or more people buy a plex from CCP. So what can you do ? Stop consuming plex and buy some from CCP.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:24:31 - [10] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here. Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen I assume you're joking, but if PO continues to dwindle then CCP may get desperate and try something as stupid as this. At that time I'll begin unsubbing all my accounts because the game will then be garbage.
Captain Awkward Republic University Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:27:33 - [11] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here. Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen I assume you're joking, but if PO continues to dwindle then CCP may get desperate and try something as stupid as this. At that time I'll begin unsubbing all my accounts because the game will then be garbage. Can I have your stuff ? This
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:33:23 - [12] - Quote Adooni wrote: I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die. If you go to account manager from the eve launcher you can purchase game packages from 12.95 down to only 10.95 a month. Idk why people still insist on complaining about plex prices when they can easily pay for game time at a much cheaper price using this method. Still I would like plex prices to stabilize at 1 bill isk for an alternative method of paying for plex within game.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 355	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:37:41 - [13] - Quote I love how people juggle figures to support their preferred outcomes. It's absurd to claim something that at one time cost 350 million ISK, that now costs 1 billion ISK is a no harm, no foul non-event noticed only by the naive, ill-informed or lazy. I love how people who have a virtual economic interest in prices soaring claim it's not a bad thing, or something that begs notice and for the good of the "game" everyone should just pretend it's normal and go on with your business. I love how people often claim the amount of time it takes to obtain items with in-game currency is so insignificant if you think it is significant you must suck at the game. BUT, what brings the most joy to my heart is for whom the game is being tailored! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=450957&find=unread It's all truly inspiring! Fear of death follows from fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time. -Mark Twain -
Irya Boone Never Surrender. 468	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:44:58 - [14] - Quote Open the f... door and let people explore structures ( stations, ruines , mining platform, and PLANETS !!) Make the asteroids BIGGER AND when i say Bigger i mean bigger ... Make stars explode ( so stellar systems disapear... ) would be nice to see jita disapear. ( Dynamic environnement) CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !! you shall all bow and pray BoB
Teinyhr Ourumur 486	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:46:00 - [15] - Quote Well for one we could stop peddling the idea that alts are mandatory. Frankly I've found that people who take this game too serious tend to burn out faster. If I had the same whinyass bittervet attitude how new players have it too easy that oozes from every other post these days I'd had quit years ago.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25332	Posted - 2015.10.16 09:46:30 - [16] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Adooni wrote: I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die. If you go to account manager from the eve launcher you can purchase game packages from 12.95 down to only 10.95 a month. Idk why people still insist on complaining about plex prices when they can easily pay for game time at a much cheaper price using this method. Still I would like plex prices to stabilize at 1 bill isk for an alternative method of paying for plex within game. Some people obviously like to work a second job that pays peanuts. When PLEX hit 500M I stopped using it to pay for my game time every month, it's far quicker for me to do some RL work for an hour and pay with RL cash. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1673	Posted - 2015.10.16 10:47:19 - [17] - Quote if plex price was 200m id need to buy 10 just to fit my panther, no thanks Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Carrie-Anne Moss The Scope Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2015.10.16 10:52:41 - [18] - Quote Captain Awkward wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here. Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen I assume you're joking, but if PO continues to dwindle then CCP may get desperate and try something as stupid as this. At that time I'll begin unsubbing all my accounts because the game will then be garbage. Can I have your stuff ? This Its now... CAN I HAVE YOUR SP?
Deck Cadelanne CAStabouts 235	Posted - 2015.10.16 11:01:17 - [19] - Quote Another "make EVE f2p" thread. *"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."* - Hunter S. Thompson
David Therman University of Caille Gallente Federation 95	Posted - 2015.10.16 11:25:31 - [20] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here. Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen I assume you're joking, but if PO continues to dwindle then CCP may get desperate and try something as stupid as this. At that time I'll begin unsubbing all my accounts because the game will then be garbage. Prepare yourself; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=450912&find=unread
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2015.10.16 11:55:00 - [21] - Quote Captain Awkward wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here. Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen I assume you're joking, but if PO continues to dwindle then CCP may get desperate and try something as stupid as this. At that time I'll begin unsubbing all my accounts because the game will then be garbage. Can I have your stuff ? This I'm at total loss for words. I mean I really can't believe it. I thought Mr. Epeen was just trolling, but to my dumbfounded shock, he was actually serious. And like I thought, Eve is starting to lose it's REALNESS appeal for me. If this stupid crap sticks, then I may end up biomassing all my chars on all my accounts within the next 3 months when my subs run out. With this stupidity, the Hour Glass on Eve has been flipped and Eve's time is officially starting to die out now.
Eternal Bob Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 43	Posted - 2015.10.16 12:03:47 - [22] - Quote I honestly don't think there is much CCP can do at this point. EVE was always a niche game, but look at the MMO market now compared to when EVE began. It's even more niche than ever. Gamers are less receptive to the idea of long-term investment for their rewards. Unless something drastic occurs I believe it's going to be a case of downsizing and milking the players whilst they can from hereon in.
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 1286	Posted - 2015.10.16 12:10:20 - [23] - Quote Adooni wrote: I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die. its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1674	Posted - 2015.10.16 12:39:22 - [24] - Quote Harry Forever wrote: Adooni wrote: I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die. its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead This is the best thing i have heard all month i like the plex price as it is, means i dont need to buy 4 plex just to buy and fit my blops Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Adooni H.O.M.E.W.O.R.L.D 1	Posted - 2015.10.17 23:58:04 - [25] - Quote I see there is several very similar topic at forum made by players this week. Mainly there are about PLEX prices or new ideas for new PLEX use to make game P2W :( Please CCP do not kill game that with success is with us for 12 years.
MeestaPenni Mercantile and Stuff 328	Posted - 2015.10.18 00:26:01 - [26] - Quote This game started its slide down the hill the moment they introduced PLEX. It didn't take long before people realized they could buy game time for a few bucks, sell the PLEX on the market, and replenish their ship hangar. Aside from the skill queue, having the isk to buy a new battleship was something to work towards in game. I remember getting an officer drop in 0.0 with a corpmate....holy **** were we excited for the windfall. I lived off that income for years. Now, if I want to buy some stuff....buy some game time, sell the PLEX, and bingo...I've got a bunch of throwaway frigates and dessies. I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
MeestaPenni Mercantile and Stuff 328	Posted - 2015.10.18 00:27:25 - [27] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Harry Forever wrote: Adooni wrote: I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die. its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead This is the best thing i have heard all month i like the plex price as it is, means i dont need to buy 4 plex just to buy and fit my blops This ^. This player has no intent to achieve the blops....they're going to simply buy the blop. I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1582	Posted - 2015.10.18 05:38:46 - [28] - Quote MeestaPenni wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Harry Forever wrote: Adooni wrote: I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die. its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead This is the best thing i have heard all month i like the plex price as it is, means i dont need to buy 4 plex just to buy and fit my blops This ^. This player has no intent to achieve the blops....they're going to simply buy the blop. You can buy the tools, but not the Skillpoints for it ... oh wait. I'm my own NPC alt.
Demolishar United Aggression 1059	Posted - 2015.10.18 11:34:44 - [29] - Quote PLEX price is a symptom, not a cause.
ArmyOfMe Hull Breach. Outnumbered. 485	Posted - 2015.10.18 11:47:58 - [30] - Quote Deck Cadelanne wrote: Another "make EVE f2p" thread. I suggest you use some of those new sp's you can soon buy to train up reading comprehension QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
Hal Morsh Aliastra Gallente Federation 422	Posted - 2015.10.18 12:08:13 - [31] - Quote MeestaPenni wrote: This game started its slide down the hill the moment they introduced PLEX. It didn't take long before people realized they could buy game time for a few bucks, sell the PLEX on the market, and replenish their ship hangar. Aside from the skill queue, having the isk to buy a new battleship was something to work towards in game. I remember getting an officer drop in 0.0 with a corpmate....holy **** were we excited for the windfall. I lived off that income for years. Now, if I want to buy some stuff....buy some game time, sell the PLEX, and bingo...I've got a bunch of throwaway frigates and dessies. I get excited for even C-type drops. Burning out those armor reps on a brutix just to tank the room and grab that overseer quick before a gila warps in. I've had min/max farmers steal my loots. Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
Carrie-Anne Moss The Scope Gallente Federation 479	Posted - 2015.10.18 12:28:35 - [32] - Quote I QUIT DURING INCARNIA. QUIT. SPACEBARBIES AND GREED IS GOOD CAN GO TO HELL FOR REAL. I set a long skill queue with several cruiser 5s and some other good 5s. SEE YOU IN A WHILE CCP IF YOU EVER GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSES. ILL BE FREAKING PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS FOR THE TWITCH-PVP-NO-1-SEC-SERVER-TICK-TWOTCHY PVP GOT 5MONTHS LEFT ON SUB. ILL PLAY WARSHIPS TIL XMAS THEN CHECK BACK TO SEE HOW PAY2WIN HAS RUINED GAME AND IM SICK OF YOU CODDLING CAREBEARS AND NERFING CONTENT CREATORS. (DO NOT WORRY EVE-O JUST CUZ PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS AND SKILLQUEUE ONLINE I WILL STILL LONG IN TO POST ON FORUMS)
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17165	Posted - 2015.10.18 13:27:42 - [33] - Quote Adooni wrote: I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play. Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game. We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time. I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested. If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die. OK then when I buy PLEX from Markee Dragon I can sell them on the market for 500M or station trade them privately to someone for 1.1B Obvious end result: zero plex on the market. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17165	Posted - 2015.10.18 13:30:49 - [34] - Quote Eternal Bob wrote: I honestly don't think there is much CCP can do at this point. EVE was always a niche game, but look at the MMO market now compared to when EVE began. It's even more niche than ever. Gamers are less receptive to the idea of long-term investment for their rewards. Unless something drastic occurs I believe it's going to be a case of downsizing and milking the players whilst they can from hereon in. To the contrary, there are several effective options they could choose. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Robert Sawyer The Vendunari End of Life 75	Posted - 2015.10.18 13:37:55 - [35] - Quote Real-life PLEX prices did not change, and the in-game ones didn't change because of CCP, but because of inflation - you see, you THINK that 1.2 billion ISK is a shtload of money, but what's really happening is ISK is losing it's value and slowly becoming worthless. This is because everybody nowadays is buying ISK to control the market. However, you'd think that since PLEX is in abundance, the price should go down. No, PLEX has an insanely high demand on the market and the prices will continue going up. I know a guy who bought 10 PLEX when they were 200 million and now he's swimming in ISK - however, I don't recommend investing in PLEX as it is a risky business and the prices can crash anytime now. Oh, and CCP can't do anything about the prices - EVE's market is a capitalistic one, and the "state" (CCP) cannot intervene. "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."*
Gaellia Bonaventure EVE University Ivy League 4437	Posted - 2015.10.18 16:01:59 - [36] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Adooni wrote: If you have different idea please post them here. Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players. Mr Epeen That's a crazy idea it will obvs never happen. Bring your possibles.
Tronity Neutronux Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2015.10.18 17:13:46 - [37] - Quote Harry Forever wrote: its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead If EVE would be the one and only thing in the hole world you could get for your 15Gé¼ I would agree. I baked a game for 65Gé¼ which became crap so I got less fun/h for my money. I paid 15Gé¼ for another one once and played it over 400 hours ... so I got many fun/h from that one. I paid for a F2P game (I did not have to but as you said you might pay for your hobby) and got many hundrets of hour for well a few hundrets of Gé¼. So might be not the most efficient but I could login anytime to this accounts and could pick up if I feel I have to. I just paid as long as I used it and I may come back without coins. So it's not just the question if I have the money for my hobby but if I would pay money for that game. Why should I pay for EVE? If I login every day and play it many hours it would be worth it for sure. If I login just once a week or even less then it's pretty much pay for SP and that 2% more damage for 10Gé¼ could be pretty expensive in that case especially if you don't use it soon anyway.
Divine Entervention Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic 702	Posted - 2015.10.18 17:29:58 - [38] - Quote Like a week ago some glowy dude wearing nothing but a sheet surrounded by vape smoke or clouds and told me there would be a great flood. That I should build a Tayra and load it with 2 of every commodity and the provisions to last for 40 days. Looks like dude was right cuz man some of these kids are crying up biblical floods. As time goes on it becomes more and more apparent that eventually we're going to have to repeal the right to freedom of speech. It coupled with the internet and other forms of mass media is too disastrous.
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1682	Posted - 2015.10.18 18:54:18 - [39] - Quote Tronity Neutronux wrote: Harry Forever wrote: its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead If EVE would be the one and only thing in the hole world you could get for your 15Gé¼ I would agree. I baked a game for 65Gé¼ which became crap so I got less fun/h for my money. I paid 15Gé¼ for another one once and played it over 400 hours ... so I got many fun/h from that one. I paid for a F2P game (I did not have to but as you said you might pay for your hobby) and got many hundrets of hour for well a few hundrets of Gé¼. So might be not the most efficient but I could login anytime to this accounts and could pick up if I feel I have to. I just paid as long as I used it and I may come back without coins. So it's not just the question if I have the money for my hobby but if I would pay money for that game. Why should I pay for EVE? If I login every day and play it many hours it would be worth it for sure. If I login just once a week or even less then it's pretty much pay for SP and that 2% more damage for 10Gé¼ could be pretty expensive in that case especially if you don't use it soon anyway. a hobby is something which you enjoy, if you are not enjoying it then its no longer a hobby, you should leave if you dont think the game is worth it Recruiting V I R I I Small Gang Nullsec PVP Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
admiral root Red Galaxy 3474	Posted - 2015.10.18 19:48:52 - [40] - Quote There's a huge disconnect between the thread title and the content of the OP. The latter is just another whine about PLEx prices, and the answer to the former is: kill them. Kill them all (in-game). No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Opertone The Poverty Line 330	Posted - 2015.10.18 20:01:38 - [41] - Quote PLEX price has nothing to do with the number of active players Only inflation from effortless 0.0 anomalies and incursions blitz causes plex price to rise. Eve started more than 12 years ago, most of the player base was made of students and people above 18 with extra spare time on their hands. Social status changes, people have more responsibilities, jobs, families, etc. Time forces people to quit. Eve gameplay does not reward solo play. It drives some people away too. You can not win 2v1 easily, this also disturbs some players. This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.
BirdStrike State War Academy Caldari State 74	Posted - 2015.10.18 20:16:52 - [42] - Quote As a business CCP should focus on retaining paying subscribers, not appeasing freetards who think grinding a few rocks afk entitles them to a free lunch. You can afford a PC, you can afford the electricity for that PC, you can afford the internet for that PC. You pay for all these things, why should CCP give you its product for free. Do you expect to go to the Cinema for free? If you are plexing your account you are the hired minion of a player who is prepared to pay for your gametime in return for your game resources, how much they expect for that exchange is down to what the funder is willing to sell for, not CCP and not the magic plex fairy.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1102	Posted - 2015.10.18 20:54:53 - [43] - Quote T1 Battleships prices have increased more than PLEX has. CCP should put a stop to that. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Azazel The Misanthrope Proioxis Assault Force Exodus. 109	Posted - 2015.10.19 07:03:39 - [44] - Quote I do see where you are coming from where the connection of PLEX to the ingame economy creates a very real tangent to the financial class distinctions of the real world; where the ultra wealthy (that have some sense) can manipulate the economy in EVE in an artificial way by using mass amounts of their disposable economy to monopolize objects in game. In this same field of competition there is little hope for players with less income rates because more disposable income can just be pumped into the game offsetting whatever wealth you gain by using your own wealth. PLEX prices in EVE work very much like oil prices, being that they are both commodity items with universal value. The problem with PLEX getting more expensive is that players are becoming wealthier and wealthier and can afford to pay more ISK for them. All in All, I can see OPs concern. PLEX prices can be very oppressive to people who have neither the time nor the funds to afford playing the game for much time, and that is not fair. This could lead to an odd distinction where players in countries (or states) with better economic conditions have a blatantly more privileged game experience, and suddenly there becomes a social gap between the wealthy and impoverished in the game where the impoverished just can't afford to do anything in game; largely because the wealthier not only have more time to play and then proceed to destroy the wealth of those with less time and funds, but also because they have better equipment and social connections to do so. I am not an economic analyst, but I can see EVE devolving into generating a series of misfortunate real world parallels largely to the economies connection to PLEX. On the other hand, unlike the real world, EVE doesn't have implicitly placed glass ceilings or awkward social barriers that hinder progress in game, does it? Ultimately, noblesse oblige solves all of these problems, (albeit while creating dozens more) but that is as likely to occur as it does in person. Right?
Azazel The Misanthrope Proioxis Assault Force Exodus. 109	Posted - 2015.10.19 07:06:23 - [45] - Quote Also, MMO style games that rely on a subscription based payment method are in decline in general. Not just EVE. Free-To-Play games are trendy in the gaming world, currently.

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