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ZhaKha Nek Minmatar Psyballz	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:11:00 - [1] So, no Thread on the Rapier past Revelations. Here's what I'm messing around with atm. [Hi] Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Recon Probe Launcher Covert-Ops Cloaking Device II [Me] 10MN Afterburner II Faint Warp Prohibitor Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Remote Sensor Dampener II Remote Sensor Dampener II Remote Sensor Dampener II [Lo] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Mark I CPR Mark I CPR [Drones Idea 1 ( To kill even more Cap from the enemy )] Infiltrator EV-600 Infiltrator EV-600 Infiltrator EV-600 Infiltrator EV-600 [Drones Idea 2 ( To have some offensive power against enemy Drones, but normally they won't attack you if you dampen fast enough )] Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II [Rigs] Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II (-15% Scantime) Targeting System Subcontroller I (-10% Targetingtime) With Recon V it should fit if I did my maths right (still training recon to V :D). Just probe someone out and keep him where he is, until your support arrives. Ideas? Changes? Cheers Zhakha snip Please do not use profanity in your signature even if it is masked. -Eldo S* *a e k? W* m n** lle o m** rat * eyi* s **d?
M00dy Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:29:00 - [2] Cool.
Max Hardcase Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:31:00 - [3] This is so crazy it might just work.
ZhaKha Nek Minmatar Psyballz	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Max Hardcase This is so crazy it might just work. Fitting out-of-the-box 4tw ;) Anyway, alternative fittings anyone? snip Please do not use profanity in your signature even if it is masked. -Eldo S* *a e k? W* m n** lle o m** rat * eyi* s **d?
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:11:00 - [5] It looks ok, but what I see is litterally a Jack of all trades. Its attempting to do the job of an Arazu, Pilgrim and covert ops. Your friends may love you for being able to scan, dampen and scramble and enemy while draining it's cap, but what if your flying in a gang that has an Arazu, Pilgrim or a dedicated covert ops :P Nice off the wall setup, but its far to general for my liking. ----- OMG READ TUXFORD!!!1
Caletha	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:19:00 - [6] If its for a fleet, then I don't see how ignoring the bonuses of your ship makes it a good setup. Let an Arazu do the dampening and let covert op frigates do the scanning (they get a huge bonus to it). Do what you do best in fleets, and thats eat frigates up for breakfast: [Hi] 3x 720mm T2's (or 650mm T2's if you need the grid) 1x Covert-Ops Cloaking Device T2 [Mid] 3x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor 1x Scrambler 1x 10MN AB (seeing you want 1) 1x Sensor Booster T2 (helps when you get damped) [Low] Whatever fits That will eat up frigs really nicely, and in small-fleets (up to 20 people) I've ended up solo-killing 4-5 frigs in 1 fight. Which really helps the fight as their tacklers are dead, which means your BS can escape if their in trouble. Now, in some ways a Huginn is probably better for fleets though (more damage, so frigs / interdictors die even faster). Personally I use my Rapier for soloing / small gangs a lot, then the sensor dampening is nice and often run with this setup: [Hi] 3x 720mm T2 1x Covert-Ops cloak [Mid] 1x Sensor Booster 1x Faction scrambler 2x 90% Web 2x T2 Damps [Low] 1x SAR / MAR T2 (what fits) 1x Damage Control 2x Damage mods If they get within 20km, I'm usually toast anyway, fitting a hefty tank really has no use (as it'll never be enough). I'm usually pretty good at picking fights and if needed, running away I feel though that 1 90% doesnt have enough stopping power, frigs / vaga's / stabbers with MWD can still get away from you then. So even though a 3rd damp is nice, I'd rather run with 2 webs.
hangnoose Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:21:00 - [7] You are trying to the job of every other race's recon besides the one you are actually flying. Go watch DaMiGe's lock n load videos 5 and 6 for a better rapier setup. Except maybe drop a gun for the recon probe launcher if you have good skills for it. If you can't scan in under a minute don't put it on =P
ZhaKha Nek Minmatar Psyballz	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Caletha If its for a fleet, then I don't see how ignoring the bonuses of your ship makes it a good setup. Ok, got me on that point, maybe i should specify my "fleet" a bit better... it's more of a gang I'm flying with, so picked the wrong word when setting up the thread ;) (around 4 - 10 ppl in gang, most HAC/Ceptor/Command Ship pilots) So I'm the one that has to find the targets if they try to hide & I'm the one that has to hold them at place till the rest warps to me. Originally by: Caletha and let covert op frigates do the scanning (they get a huge bonus to it). While they get a descent bonus on Scantime, the lowest possible time is 120secs if I'm Right. (Basetime: 600secs. Covert V, signal Acq. V & 2 T1 Rigs) Recon Probe Launcher have a Basetime of 120secs but get no ship bonus, so only the Signal Acq. skill and the Rig will count (so s.th. like 48secs with Signal Acq. V & 2 T1 Rigs) Originally by: hangnoose Go watch DaMiGe's lock n load videos 5 and 6 for a better rapier setup. Except maybe drop a gun for the recon probe launcher if you have good skills for it. If you can't scan in under a minute don't put it on =P Will look into that Videos, thx. But under 1 minute scan time, erm do I miss s.th. or is it only possible with Signal Acq. (Rank 8 -.-) V ? Nothing else except Rigs gets the time down, right? Anyway, thx for the input, and yeah, prolly not for FLEET use, but as stated now, it's a small gang, sry for that typo ;) And if I ever join a big fleet, will try those frigate-pop fittings. o/ Zhakha snip Please do not use profanity in your signature even if it is masked. -Eldo S* *a e k? W* m n** lle o m** rat * eyi* s **d?
hangnoose Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:32:00 - [9] Originally by: ZhaKha Nek Originally by: Caletha If its for a fleet, then I don't see how ignoring the bonuses of your ship makes it a good setup. Ok, got me on that point, maybe i should specify my "fleet" a bit better... it's more of a gang I'm flying with, so picked the wrong word when setting up the thread ;) (around 4 - 10 ppl in gang, most HAC/Ceptor/Command Ship pilots) So I'm the one that has to find the targets if they try to hide & I'm the one that has to hold them at place till the rest warps to me. Originally by: Caletha and let covert op frigates do the scanning (they get a huge bonus to it). While they get a descent bonus on Scantime, the lowest possible time is 120secs if I'm Right. (Basetime: 600secs. Covert V, signal Acq. V & 2 T1 Rigs) Recon Probe Launcher have a Basetime of 120secs but get no ship bonus, so only the Signal Acq. skill and the Rig will count (so s.th. like 48secs with Signal Acq. V & 2 T1 Rigs) Originally by: hangnoose Go watch DaMiGe's lock n load videos 5 and 6 for a better rapier setup. Except maybe drop a gun for the recon probe launcher if you have good skills for it. If you can't scan in under a minute don't put it on =P Will look into that Videos, thx. But under 1 minute scan time, erm do I miss s.th. or is it only possible with Signal Acq. (Rank 8 -.-) V ? Nothing else except Rigs gets the time down, right? Anyway, thx for the input, and yeah, prolly not for FLEET use, but as stated now, it's a small gang, sry for that typo ;) And if I ever join a big fleet, will try those frigate-pop fittings. o/ Zhakha Well I know someone who can scan probe people in under a minute.... might just be due to the cov ops bonus...
Private Iron Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:37:00 - [10] Why not fit the ship to do what its designed to do or get a ship that is designed to do what you want to do. In this case it seems you will be better off with an arazu Although your setup isn't particularly bad, an arazu will do a better job. -----
ZhaKha Nek Minmatar Psyballz	Posted - 2006.12.28 00:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Private Iron Why not fit the ship to do what its designed to do or get a ship that is designed to do what you want to do. In this case it seems you will be better off with an arazu Although your setup isn't particularly bad, an arazu will do a better job. WTB: Instant Gallente Training! ;) But will think about the arazu, sounds like an option when I'm finished with my actual skillplan. snip Please do not use profanity in your signature even if it is masked. -Eldo S* *a e k? W* m n** lle o m** rat * eyi* s **d?

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