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Estevan Andrard
World Traders Guild Channel
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:00:44 -
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There was once ...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4978965#post4978965
Now they are even wardeccing by checking lists of new corporations, stalking tradehubs and so on exactly as they said they would not.
Regardless, old story, you pay 50mil to concord look the other way, we pay 2mil to SCC to make a fake front corp. Business is business.
But hey, dont miss all the fun. I still here managing this band, and I opened this war for anyone wanting to make Allibaitors fair game.
If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
3867
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:07:27 -
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+1 for making corp rolling cost 100m.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Estevan Andrard
World Traders Guild Channel
166
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:17:35 -
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Dont need to stop there, it will take like 25 hops to effectivelly cost for me the same as one wardec. Until there, I dubt all others will still being decced, so it is just go back to the one the wardec expired or they didnt wanted to keep decced.
As I dont need to close any of them. I already have 12+ accounts for blobbing, can have 24 ceos for roughly 500 000 ISK.
There are lots of ways of civil disobedience in the face of war. People just gotta learn that balance is there, you just need to seek it. They try to use terror on the space, I use terror on the office. Until such time when CCP shamefully make us have no way to fight them in our territory, that is what we do.
If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
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Paranoid Loyd
7210
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:26:59 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote: I already have 12+ accounts for blobbing Was wondering where those likes came from. 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Estevan Andrard
World Traders Guild Channel
166
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Posted - 2015.10.16 23:30:39 -
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I would not put them out to make 8 likes.
But from the 166 total I have, only 50 I did, just to prove a point in another topic.
The point was: Once you made something easy to be acquired, it becomes meaningless.
That is true for likes in the forum, wardecs in hisec, and for Skill points in that new proposal of Skill Pill.
Being wardec meaningless as it is easy to make and just a tool of cheap sanctioned harassment, so it is to corp hop for 2mil.
The perfect ballance of meaninglessness.
If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
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Spruillo
Spruillo Corp
28
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:18:48 -
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COOL STORY BRO
PLAYIN SPACE TRUCKS VROOM VROOM
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Estevan Andrard
World Traders Guild Channel
168
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:26:53 -
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Cool blocked bro.
If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2621
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Posted - 2015.10.17 05:48:56 -
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Leto Thule wrote:+1 for making corp rolling cost 100m.
While I get where you're coming from with this, I think it may be a bit much.
Honestly I think that the cost of forming a corp being the same as a one week wardec would be pretty fair, 50mil.
Assuming you survive even one wardec without losing anything you've already come out ahead.
As it stands things are pretty well skewed in the favor of the defender when it comes to high sec wars.
They only lose what they risk, same as the attackers, and in the case of many corps that's not very much.
Aside from increasing the fee to form a corp to the point where it encourages the owners to defend it, I would like to see more things worth fighting for in space.
Back before the industry changes and my trip over to the dark side I did a lot of indy stuff with my little one man corp.
I had my shiny stick in space and my laboratories in which to conduct my mad science and stuff. It was kind of neat. It was mine. The moon was mine!  It also turned out to be a great deal of effort for a casual player like myself to upkeep. My point is that I had something worth having and something worth picking up a gun to defend, despite being a crusty old bear at the time.
I know changes have happened since then and more are in the works. I'm just hoping to see more things worth having and fighting over appear in the future.
And no... I'm not just looking for easy kills. I don't need war for that, nor do I need miners or haulers... there are plenty of ill tempered mission runners in battleships out there to provide for my needs. I'd just like to see more folks striving for goals beyond harvesting ISK and less of this 'can't win, don't try' attitude that seems to be pervasive in the pacifist wing of the PVE populace.
Setting your goals so low that you don't have anything worth taking from you doesn't make you a winner, it makes you the McDonalds employee of the month in New Eden. 
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Mag's
the united
20517
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Posted - 2015.10.17 07:26:22 -
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What, no comparison to RL crime? You sir, are slacking.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
755
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Posted - 2015.10.17 08:26:58 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote:I would not put them out to make 8 likes.
Righto.
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Chris Slayter
Perdition
Allibaitors
60
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Posted - 2015.10.17 10:09:45 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote:There was once ... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4978965#post4978965
Now they are even wardeccing by checking lists of new corporations, stalking tradehubs and so on exactly as they said they would not. Regardless, old story, you pay 50mil to concord look the other way, we pay 2mil to SCC to make a fake front corp. Business is business. But hey, dont miss all the fun. I still here managing this band, and I opened this war for anyone wanting to make Allibaitors fair game.
It's been a while since I last played EvE actively but Ive been lurking around the forums to keep up with changes/drama/etc.
Nice to see people still go out of their way to cry on the forums just to get laughed at and/or expose themselves as a great opportunity to harvest tears.
Anyway I doubt we will ever meet in space due to your 'superior wardec dodging' and me being practically inactive but I look forward to see you rambling on about ISK efficieny, winning by hopping and so forth in this thread.
Also thanks for bringing up my old ad-post. Publicity! Excitement!  |
Estevan Andrard
World Traders Guild Channel
177
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Posted - 2015.10.17 10:49:55 -
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Yeah, bla bla, tears and other points of orders kids say this days.
The objective being achieved, it means little what you or anyone says.
In other news, answering what worth answering:
I dont think the mechanics of wardec is wrong. I think it is really the right way to do it. It must be possible to do stupid things like wardec random corps you wont benefit anything from. People must be put in the position to take stupid decisions on their own and live with it.
Asking for CCP to make wardec fulfill mechanically the meaning of a war is the same as to ask autopilot to warp 0m of the gates or Cloak devices to auto activate in Covert Ops ship.
People must be accountable for idiotic decisions, and there must be field for it. Some lose ships, some lose money, some lose both.
If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
2127
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Posted - 2015.10.17 11:14:10 -
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I read this thread but I still don't get it... I mean maybe I should take the Mo approach and take the e out of the other linked thread and see where it matches up here to get the message?
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
756
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Posted - 2015.10.17 11:37:16 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I read this thread but I still don't get it... I mean maybe I should take the Mo approach and take the e out of the other linked thread and see where it matches up here to get the message?
Have you tried removing all the vowels? I think it's a recipe for salt dough but I can't be sure. |
Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
74
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Posted - 2015.10.17 12:46:25 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I read this thread but I still don't get it... I mean maybe I should take the Mo approach and take the e out of the other linked thread and see where it matches up here to get the message?
As best as I can figure this thread is about OP being butthurt because he was wardecced.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
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Xorphix
Deadly Fingertips
The Marmite Collective
124
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Posted - 2015.10.17 13:31:19 -
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Allibaitors are a good bunch of guys, the majority are on vacation right now I believe... |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3419
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:35:06 -
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Allibators are pretty awful, actually. They're reasonable human beings of course, they're just terrible quality mercenaries. If you're having trouble dealing with a wardec from them the only possible explanation is that you're horribly incompetent.
It's even not worth allying in to their wars because of how inactive they are. |
Chris Slayter
Perdition
Allibaitors
63
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:38:20 -
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Xorphix wrote:Allibaitors are a good bunch of guys, the majority are on vacation right now I believe...
Not exactly vacation but yeah some of us don't have time for EvE sadly :( |
Chris Slayter
Perdition
Allibaitors
63
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:48:05 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Allibators are pretty awful, actually. They're reasonable human beings of course, they're just terrible quality mercenaries. If you're having trouble dealing with a wardec from them the only possible explanation is that you're horribly incompetent.
It's even not worth allying in to their wars because of how inactive they are.
As far as I understood his message OP is not even complaining about the dec. He just started a thread on how amazingly he escaped the dec by corphopping and how that mechanic is giving him an ISK advantage due to dec fee vs. corp founding fee.
Also casually avoiding to comment on your first sentence |
Saskia Laru
the 57th Overlanders Brigade
Cede Nullis
47
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:57:32 -
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TL;DR |
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
124
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:07:27 -
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Op spouted a load of rubbish in another thread which earned him a wardec.
This thread is to tell everyone how efficient he is at dodging wardecs.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Saskia Laru
the 57th Overlanders Brigade
Cede Nullis
47
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:37:24 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote:Op spouted a load of rubbish in another thread which earned him a wardec.
This thread is to tell everyone how efficient he is at dodging wardecs.
Ahhh...
Thanks for the summary. I lost interest after the first sentace in the OP.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
The Pursuit of Happiness
1165
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Posted - 2015.10.17 16:23:06 -
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Chris Slayter wrote:Xorphix wrote:Allibaitors are a good bunch of guys, the majority are on vacation right now I believe... Not exactly vacation but yeah some of us don't have time for EvE sadly :(
Beware xorphix is hiding in your bushes and your trees stalking you to see where you are. |
Estevan Andrard
World Traders Guild Channel
178
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Posted - 2015.10.17 17:38:59 -
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Again, and thanks, for the one who actually know what it is about. LoL
I have no problems with wardecs, and thanks for asking to repeat again.
They pay 50mil to wardec, I pay 2mil to make a front corp. All the operation of the main corp still rolling as intended. Trade do not require people in a corp to undock. Taxes from trading are not paid to a corp, and usually I rely on third parties to haul product. So, again, business as usual.
The intent of the thread is not enlist help, which I probably wont bother.
The intent of the thread is not say I am against the status quo of wardec system, because I am not.
The intent of the thread is to show people that this is exactly the opposite. As it is today, all the mechanics do anything but help mercs and general criminals to disrupt trading and industry operations.
Those complaining about it, just are bad at it.
If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
3874
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Posted - 2015.10.17 17:44:35 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote:Again, and thanks, for the one who actually know what it is about. LoL
I have no problems with wardecs, and thanks for asking to repeat again.
They pay 50mil to wardec, I pay 2mil to make a front corp. All the operation of the main corp still rolling as intended. Trade do not require people in a corp to undock. Taxes from trading are not paid to a corp, and usually I rely on third parties to haul product. So, again, business as usual.
The intent of the thread is not enlist help, which I probably wont bother.
The intent of the thread is not say I am against the status quo of wardec system, because I am not.
The intent of the thread is to show people that this is exactly the opposite. As it is today, all the mechanics do anything but help mercs and general criminals to disrupt trading and industry operations.
Those complaining about it, just are bad at it.
Roll corp if you like. Ill just dec the next one too. Loudmouth assholes get stitches.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
126
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:29:23 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote:Again, and thanks, for the one who actually know what it is about. LoL
I have no problems with wardecs, and thanks for asking to repeat again.
They pay 50mil to wardec, I pay 2mil to make a front corp. All the operation of the main corp still rolling as intended. Trade do not require people in a corp to undock. Taxes from trading are not paid to a corp, and usually I rely on third parties to haul product. So, again, business as usual.
The intent of the thread is not enlist help, which I probably wont bother.
The intent of the thread is not say I am against the status quo of wardec system, because I am not.
The intent of the thread is to show people that this is exactly the opposite. As it is today, all the mechanics do anything but help mercs and general criminals to disrupt trading and industry operations.
Those complaining about it, just are bad at it.
Hmmm... I think I get what you're trying to say, but if you could possibly describe wardec dodging mechanics one more time in an additional post then I'm sure I'll still not fully understand what you're trying to say.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12502
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:51:54 -
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this reminds me of veers, but after a moderately serious stroke.
Better the Devil you know.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2622
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Posted - 2015.10.19 23:36:59 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:this reminds me of veers, but after a moderately serious stroke.
I hate to say it, but I miss that guy.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Ju0ZaS
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
98
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Posted - 2015.10.20 09:45:59 -
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I suppose you can always set up a suicide gank on little shitheads that mouth off that you can't touch them... No wardec warning notification, do it when they fly something nice with out a care, harvest the tears. :)
Are you going to fight me or do you expect to bore me to death with your forum pvp?
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Estevan Andrard
World Traders Guild Channel
181
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Posted - 2015.10.21 06:23:59 -
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CONCORD invalidates war declared by Allibaitors against World Traders Guild Channel
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2015.10.21 04:32
CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
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And that is some weird turn of events.
If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
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