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vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:46:00 - [1] RISE has come a long way in since it's inception July of 2006. We have seen hard times and have grown from these trials to "rise" to new hieghts. The new year presents us all with many opportunities and RISE looks forward to strengthening our relationships with our friends and making new contacts with our neighbors. As of January 1st, RISE and its affiliated corporations will be resetting our standings to all non-hostile parties. RISE operates on an NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) policy in our claimed space which those parts of Syndicate west of K5-JRD, Syndicate clusters only accessable by Outer Ring and of course Outer Ring. All corps/alliances who wish to remain on the "Friends list" for Rise or request to be added to this list, please contact a member of the Rise Foreign Affairs Department. Each request will be evaluated based on past relationships, proximity of operational areas (must be within 2 regions) and current allignments to other entities. Our contacts are... Vache - Minister of Foreign Affairs Kaylis Tzu - Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Semaj Valencia- Senior Diplomat of the Rise Alliance Camboon - Senior Diplomat of the Rise Alliance Public Channel: Rise-Open Forum: http://www.eve-rise.net/forums/ There will be a minor application process which will provide us with up to date contact information and your areas of operation to assist us in establishing proper open lines of communication. RISE will be lifting it recruitment freeze in January. If your corp/alliance is interested in becoming joining a strong PVP alliance with a 23/7 presence in our claimed space please review our charter and contact one of the officers listed above. Fly Safe Vache - Minister of Foreign Affairs ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Ikaro	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:18:00 - [2] Quote: strong PVP alliance ROFL jajajajajajaj lolololol
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.28 15:33:00 - [3] well, i've been in RISE in the time it was filled with carebearing ********... and i've made quite a name for myself there... well, good luck RISE... hope things will change for you... and that you'll finally be able to defend your terratory when it's attacked... and you don't lose carriers because the gang that gathered to protect it doesn't warp in... NOTE : this is my personal view, and has nothing to do with my corporation OR alliance views... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed... [orange
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.28 18:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Ikaro Quote: strong PVP alliance ROFL jajajajajajaj lolololol At least have the guts to post with your main character. Originally by: Sovereign533 well, i've been in RISE in the time it was filled with carebearing ********... and i've made quite a name for myself there... well, good luck RISE... hope things will change for you... and that you'll finally be able to defend your terratory when it's attacked... and you don't lose carriers because the gang that gathered to protect it doesn't warp in... Alot has changed for us since our return to OR, and it has been for the better. Despite what others who are clueless will tell you, we are now a firm alliance with many friends and foes that respect us as we do them. I thank you for your kind sentiments. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:41:00 - [5] o/ Vache
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.29 02:26:00 - [6] Howdy mate! ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Dakaris Zulu Red 42	Posted - 2006.12.29 02:55:00 - [7] Looking to Move Corp to Solitude in the new year, will have to give you guys a shout to keep the pleasantries well ... pleasant.
sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.29 03:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Sovereign533 well, i've been in RISE in the time it was filled with carebearing ********... and i've made quite a name for myself there... well, good luck RISE... hope things will change for you... and that you'll finally be able to defend your terratory when it's attacked... and you don't lose carriers because the gang that gathered to protect it doesn't warp in... NOTE : this is my personal view, and has nothing to do with my corporation OR alliance views... yer one kill and one loss for yourself and 33 kills for your corp in 2 months +, you certainly made a name for yourselves. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.29 09:22:00 - [9] Take it your not going to be silly enough to set CELES -10 are you?
Solwolf Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.29 19:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Kinsy Take it your not going to be silly enough to set CELES -10 are you? I'm silly enough to do that. It would be exciting, but no, we're not doing that. Recruitment
PoPa Gallente The Renegade Order	Posted - 2006.12.30 19:11:00 - [11] Strong PvP alliance... ehh.. thats fairly amusing.. coming from an alliance that while it was 1500 man large had to hire a 10-15 man PvP corp to help protect one system... And now your below 1000 men? In my opinion it signals poor leadership to claim a false reputation which most of the eve community already knows is wrong, and at the same time having lost more than 500 members... Just my own personal opinion.... - = Join The Renegade Order Now! = -
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:21:00 - [12] Originally by: PoPa Strong PvP alliance... ehh.. thats fairly amusing.. coming from an alliance that while it was 1500 man large had to hire a 10-15 man PvP corp to help protect one system... That does not even deserve dignification with a response. Come back to me with facts when you've actually done your homework. Originally by: PoPa And now your below 1000 men? Clearly you know nothing of Rise. If you were to actually take the time to do your homework you would see that we are above 1100 members at the timing of this post. Originally by: PoPa In my opinion it signals poor leadership to claim a false reputation which most of the eve community already knows is wrong, and at the same time having lost more than 500 members... Once again, you didn't do your homework. 500 members were not lost. Most were removed due to non participation during a war. The Rise of today is a strong PvP alliance, and you are more than welcome to take a trip up to OR if you want us to prove it to you. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Gerontiq Gallente Novastorm Inc	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:57:00 - [13] Originally by: vache Originally by: PoPa Strong PvP alliance... ehh.. thats fairly amusing.. coming from an alliance that while it was 1500 man large had to hire a 10-15 man PvP corp to help protect one system... That does not even deserve dignification with a response. Come back to me with facts when you've actually done your homework. Originally by: PoPa And now your below 1000 men? Clearly you know nothing of Rise. If you were to actually take the time to do your homework you would see that we are above 1100 members at the timing of this post. Originally by: PoPa In my opinion it signals poor leadership to claim a false reputation which most of the eve community already knows is wrong, and at the same time having lost more than 500 members... Once again, you didn't do your homework. 500 members were not lost. Most were removed due to non participation during a war. The Rise of today is a strong PvP alliance, and you are more than welcome to take a trip up to OR if you want us to prove it to you. that told em Gerontiq "The only thing certain about this life, is having to get up for work in the other one in the morning"
Kujin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:09:00 - [14] gl RISE ...nerf wcs...
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.02 00:32:00 - [15] Today we have removed upwards of 70 NAP's that are considered non-applicable and 23 entites from the Enemies list. Please check with an aforementioned diplomat in the "Opening Thread" to check your standings before entering our space if you have not already done so. Rise operates a "Not Blue Shoot It" policy in our claimed space. Thank you, and fly safe. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Ed Demakis The Greater Goon The OSS	Posted - 2007.01.02 07:44:00 - [16] Come on guys, don't be so hard on Rise. They are serious about PvP, just the other day 2 of them camped my Atron into a station with an interdictor and cruiser so off to the market I went. Today I head into system to get more ammo for my ratting stash and to drop off loot, and they camped my Mammoth into a station for 2 hours while I watched a movie. Now I'm in an actual combat ship and they are camping me into another station with a Bumpadominix and an Inty. Little do they know I'm going to sleep now and they can sit there waiting for me to undock. They really are trying, they just are not too good at it. Maybe more people should move up here to help them practice...
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:57:00 - [17] Originally by: vache Originally by: Ikaro Quote: strong PVP alliance ROFL jajajajajajaj lolololol At least have the guts to post with your main character. I quote with my maincharacter and can aggree to him. RISE is and JOKE but no STRONG PVP alliance! You think I smacktalking? Any strong PVP alliance should control the whole region, they let all think about they control it. That means that you need to kick out the BOB-Alt-Corp and take over the 10/10 complex and RONIN + their Friends like me out "your" region! An strong alliance don't need to tell everyone that they are strong, because everyone know it! Originally by: vache Strong PvP alliance... ehh.. thats fairly amusing.. coming from an alliance that while it was 1500 man large had to hire a 10-15 man PvP corp to help protect one system... And now your below 1000 men? In my opinion it signals poor leadership to claim a false reputation which most of the eve community already knows is wrong, and at the same time having lost more than 500 members... Just my own personal opinion.... Yes, thats funny... But you forget they got support from some more alliances like KNIGHTS OF THE SYNDICATE and VERTIGO COALITION. But both seems to give up their position right up here. Originally by: vache Once again, you didn't do your homework. 500 members were not lost. Most were removed due to non participation during a war. The Rise of today is a strong PvP alliance, and you are more than welcome to take a trip up to OR if you want us to prove it to you. Many corps proving RISE and I see much more losses to you then kills. Originally by: vache Today we have removed upwards of 70 NAP's that are considered non-applicable and 23 entites from the Enemies list. But, I like your decision. More action and more friends to myself! Good luck to you, RISE! GALLENTE KOMBINAT

Petwraith Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:20:00 - [18] Transmission cleaned of unknown material. --- If it ain't orange, it ain't offical! If it aint red it ain't important. - Hutch If it's blue, it's time to call the goat to fix it- Tirg

Kyguard Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:25:00 - [19] Good luck Rise, you guys never were the best of fighters, but you always did bring it. -
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:17:00 - [20] Shyra, i feel it my duty on behalf of the EvE community to inform you that you sound more intelligent with your mouth shut. Now, back to your broken corp. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
MilkyBar Kid EVE RADIO ARMY	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:23:00 - [21] I would like to see RISE grow. BUT!! You NAP people (Like YouWhat) who defeat you. (pushed you out of Cloud Ring) You make war with people (Like Ronin) who at the start wanted to help you. Your largest PvP corp is in a US time zone. You do have alot of good PvP'ers. Some of which do not know their full potential. But just think of the bad decisions that have been made and ask if they could/can be salvaged. You have a few members who shout loud enough who are guiding you in a direction that could cause RISE to be the laughing stock of Eve. I hope that does not happen and I do wish you all the best in the future. Good Luck Rise.
Lucci Caldari Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:03:00 - [22] Finally a step into the right direction, good luck RISE. Removing NAPs is always a good thing - trust me, after NORAD and RISE, I know. To Sovereign533 I have to say, all you've made a name for is being a major arse. In RISE your corp and especially you personally did bugger all - apart from the daily whines of course.
Galum Arfamon Red 42	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:53:00 - [23] GL RISE
Ban Tier Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:38:00 - [24] Originally by: MilkyBar Kid I would like to see RISE grow. BUT!! You NAP people (Like YouWhat) who defeat you. (pushed you out of Cloud Ring) You make war with people (Like Ronin) who at the start wanted to help you. Your largest PvP corp is in a US time zone. You do have alot of good PvP'ers. Some of which do not know their full potential. But just think of the bad decisions that have been made and ask if they could/can be salvaged. You have a few members who shout loud enough who are guiding you in a direction that could cause RISE to be the laughing stock of Eve. I hope that does not happen and I do wish you all the best in the future. Good Luck Rise. QFT. Excellent analysis of the current situation and the past. Good to see it from a neutral person. And to EU-timezone based corps, who really want to join a strong PvP-Alliance: Contact R0NIN - you will not be able to join us, but you can fly as with us as friends if you proofe to be worth it. You will have a lot more fun and surely learn some new aspects of real PvP ... Ban CEO Times of Ancar
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:22:00 - [25] Excellent rebuttal Ban Tier. Indeed fly with The Ronin if you wish to see a strong PVP alliance. They will have daily engagements where they fight a strong PvP alliance and go home sobbing. I'm glad to see you are promoting us Ban Tier. Thank you for your kind words. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Falconetta Times of Ancar	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:57:00 - [26] Quote: They will have daily engagements where they fight a strong PvP alliance and go home sobbing. And 24 hours later RISE lose 17 ships while killing 3 Ronin in a little battle in COT. But maybe we just mean different things when we use the term "strong pvp alliance"? I can only assume "They" in the quote above refers to the new RISE recruits Anyway, good luck and see you around.
Kobeayashimaru	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Falconetta Quote: They will have daily engagements where they fight a strong PvP alliance and go home sobbing. And 24 hours later RISE lose 17 ships while killing 3 Ronin in a little battle in COT. But maybe we just mean different things when we use the term "strong pvp alliance"? I can only assume "They" in the quote above refers to the new RISE recruits Anyway, good luck and see you around. Just like them time we took down your 15 man fleet with 4 interceptors? Blah, blah, blah. Have fun in your new home.
Bror Jace Gallente Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Kobeayashimaru Just like them time we took down your 15 man fleet with 4 interceptors? Funny guy
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2007.01.04 09:00:00 - [29] Originally by: KobeayashimaruJust like them time we took down your 15 man fleet with 4 interceptors? Blah, blah, blah. Have fun in your new home. [:D Please correct me if I got wrong, but it's true that RISE lost much more ships (and ISK) to RONIN and their friends as RISE, right? GALLENTE KOMBINAT
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.04 10:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Shyra Storm Originally by: KobeayashimaruJust like them time we took down your 15 man fleet with 4 interceptors? Blah, blah, blah. Have fun in your new home. [:D Please correct me if I got wrong, but it's true that RISE lost much more ships (and ISK) to RONIN and their friends as RISE, right? Ok, ill correct you because you're very wrong. Ronin are not, nor have ever been a match for us. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Manc Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.05 08:18:00 - [31] I've been trying my hardest not to post but I've never read so much bull in all my life !! What I can't understand is how you can post the things you do about your alliance Vache, or endorse those posts made by complete idiots. If you truly are turning the corner then just stop the bull & prove your worth on the kill boards. Both alliances know what really happens when we engage each other, or when you don't as is often the case, so why do you all insist on creating fictitious events ? It isn't even propaganda because anybody with half a brain cell won't fall for it. So please, to save any further embarrassment, impose the same rules on forum posting as you do for local chat & STFU !!
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:34:00 - [32] Originally by: vache Originally by: Shyra Storm Originally by: KobeayashimaruJust like them time we took down your 15 man fleet with 4 interceptors? Blah, blah, blah. Have fun in your new home. [:D Please correct me if I got wrong, but it's true that RISE lost much more ships (and ISK) to RONIN and their friends as RISE, right? Ok, ill correct you because you're very wrong. Ronin are not, nor have ever been a match for us. Okay, then explain me, why I see in the ronin kb much more losses to RISE (and friends) as ronin? My corp killed much more of RISE and friends as we lost, but we are small part of all your enemies only. If you don't know the links to the killboard, then ask someone. I think the rise killboard don't work correctly... GALLENTE KOMBINAT
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:34:00 - [33] I can understand that it must be hard for you to admitt that you've been beaten. But, take it on the chin and grow up. ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Bror Jace Gallente Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:04:00 - [34] Originally by: vache I can understand that it must be hard for you to admitt that you've been beaten. But, take it on the chin and grow up. http://www.epinions.com/images/opti/92/06/205715-movie.jpg-movie-resized200.jpg
MilkyBar Kid EVE RADIO ARMY	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:51:00 - [35] I posted earlier wishing RISE some good luck on their new adventures. (sounds like a TV series) I did not expect the topic to turn into a slaggin match between the two alliences. As I see it. We have two allences with two time zones. Ronin are a PvP allience based in the EU time zone. 90-95% of all Ronin members are PvP orientated and have +2 years of SP. Rise have corps in all the time zones and maybe 60% industrial, BUT their 'main' PvP corps are US based. This means at EU Peak time. Ronin Rule. 6-8 hrs later it is time for Rise to roam the systems of Syndicate and OuterRing shouting 'We own these systems. BOTH ARE TRUE. While Rise are at work/school, Ronin are online. While Ronin are sleeping, Rise are online. Both Rise and Ronin must stop the propaganda wars. This is going to be an exciting year ahead for EVERY ONE IN EVE. North, South, East, West and even Jita. pew pew sounds will be made every where. And in 6 months, Rise can join the Allience Torny. And show how they have grown.
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.07 15:00:00 - [36] so how will life possibly be in a new region for you, what do you guys think?
Psionicinversion	Posted - 2007.01.07 16:15:00 - [37] hey vache why do you always come on here spitting out bull** think i talked to you in local once not sure was probably drunk. you keep saying you woop our ass but ya dont. just give it a rest will ya. losses are made on both sides moreso yours cus most of the ppl in your alliance prolly like sucking on asteroids more than fighting so there crap. Anyway shut up personally goes to everyone, who cares its a game and if your one of them deluded ppl who take games really seriously and gets really deeply involved do us a favour and ** off back to losers ville, dont want it here --------------------------------------- http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload1/psi.jpg
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.07 17:22:00 - [38] Want a cookie? ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.07 17:51:00 - [39] cookies are for pets only, to keep them happy, so hand out some to yourself.
Daelmon Minmatar Ascent of Ages R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:41:00 - [40] I'd prefer some cake.
Kobeayashimaru Dominion Holdings R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Schneiderr cookies are for pets only, to keep them happy, so hand out some to yourself. And what do lapdogs like yourself get? Carrot soup?
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:58:00 - [42] you better delete your post like the other nice guy did before... if you dont want to look stupid in your own thread mr alt.
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:22:00 - [43] Originally by: Schneiderr you better delete your post like the other nice guy did before... if you dont want to look stupid in your own thread mr alt. Hugs and kisses ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:29:00 - [44] now this is what i want, <3 you
Ilmonstre Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:15:00 - [45] i am guessing new standings will coem into effect really soon
Warsyn Caldari Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:57:00 - [46] Edited by: Warsyn on 09/01/2007 17:00:19 Okay, then explain me, why I see in the ronin kb much more losses to RISE (and friends) as ronin? My corp killed much more of RISE and friends as we lost, but we are small part of all your enemies only. If you don't know the links to the killboard, then ask someone. I think the rise killboard don't work correctly... Maybe they should try posting all their loss mails as well? Might be a step in the right direction. Orrr they can gimme the pword and i'll post em for em :D. By the way...yes I know both sides are guilty of it o.0. Was fun fighting Ronin they have some excellent pilots. Would have been a lot more fun had they actually defended their POS's so we could have had more fleet fights ;). Time zone differences suck unfortunately. Good luck Ronin! cheers to a fun opponent. Warsyn null
KOTH Fluf Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:58:00 - [47] No need to contact you ingame. Rise are now KOS to Morsus Mihi. Good luck gentlemen with your new masters. Sorry to see you throw all dignity and honor away like this. Will be seeing you soon. Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
TigCobra Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:43:00 - [48] GL gentlemen, I hope you know what your getting yourselfs into.
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:33:00 - [49] ôHorrid death to BoB, Xelas, Fix à.ö à and now they are BoB lapdogs ... BIG and BIGAA left RISE and they were in upper half of RISE killboards. Beside that BIG was logistic backbone for RISE with cheap T2 ships and equipment. Obliteration Unlimited, the best PvP corp in RISE now (more kills per member than any other RISE corp), stated that they joined RISE because they have big admiration of what BIG achieved in EVE world. PROMO corp (~110 members) left RISE. They were 4th best PvP corp as per RISE killboards. I just found out that main SturmgrenadierÆs chief recruiting officer Kraven Kor left them so there is something else I want to say about SG... Some 3 months ago when I joined RISE, there was a war in CR (Cloud Ring region) and few days after that TOXIN invaded. Do you know what was the only corp that was 100% sitting in D5I NPC station (Outer Ring region) and did not participate in CR war efforts? SG. They moved in CR only 1 week before shameful capitulation in 9-4 system. Then SG internally announced that this famous ôvictoryö (permission to take POSÆs down in 3 days) was possible only because of SG. Yes, SG officials called it victory. They used CR conflict to eliminate CHON, Grey Council and TOA from RISE alliance to be in almost absolute control of RISE today, and especially today after eliminating BIG/BIGAA and PROMO. Other RISE corps just bend with the wind or have no right to say anything yet (former GA corps). SG PVPers? Beside excellent FC (Sobic) and few selected officers, general membership has fewer than 15M SPs. AVES (CEO of JAZZ corporation) stated several times in past 3-4 weeks that Jazz would never follow any kind of allegiance with BoB. It looks like he changed his word of steel and stone quickly. Anyway, Jazz was poor PvP corpà Resurrection in this process has lost or will lose roughly 25-50% of active PvPers. Rilewedge (Resurection CEO) can throw away 2+ years of his reputation and dignity. He is going to bend over just because 18 years old Vache sold him ton of beep. /cheers GG P.S. MilkyBar Kid you are wrong. Recently RISE has absorbed GA. After that RISE was more than capable to parry RONIN in EU TZ also. RONIN lost 10 out of 12 POSÆs in this conflict and at least one carrier. As of 3-4 weeks ago, RONIN presence in 4c-, d5i and nm- (OR systems with stations) was zero. RONIN was pushed in 3knk (Syndicate)à I may not like RISE anymore, but old RISE was clearly winning in conflict against RONIN. " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Buxaroo on 11/01/2007 00:24:07 Originally by: Great Guardian ôHorrid death to BoB, Xelas, Fix à.ö à and now they are BoB lapdogs ... BIG and BIGAA left RISE and they were in upper half of RISE killboards. Beside that BIG was logistic backbone for RISE with cheap T2 ships and equipment. Obliteration Unlimited, the best PvP corp in RISE now (more kills per member than any other RISE corp), stated that they joined RISE because they have big admiration of what BIG achieved in EVE world. PROMO corp (~110 members) left RISE. They were 4th best PvP corp as per RISE killboards. I just found out that main SturmgrenadierÆs chief recruiting officer Kraven Kor left them so there is something else I want to say about SG... Some 3 months ago when I joined RISE, there was a war in CR (Cloud Ring region) and few days after that TOXIN invaded. Do you know what was the only corp that was 100% sitting in D5I NPC station (Outer Ring region) and did not participate in CR war efforts? SG. They moved in CR only 1 week before shameful capitulation in 9-4 system. Then SG internally announced that this famous ôvictoryö (permission to take POSÆs down in 3 days) was possible only because of SG. Yes, SG officials called it victory. They used CR conflict to eliminate CHON, Grey Council and TOA from RISE alliance to be in almost absolute control of RISE today, and especially today after eliminating BIG/BIGAA and PROMO. Other RISE corps just bend with the wind or have no right to say anything yet (former GA corps). SG PVPers? Beside excellent FC (Sobic) and few selected officers, general membership has fewer than 15M SPs. AVES (CEO of JAZZ corporation) stated several times in past 3-4 weeks that Jazz would never follow any kind of allegiance with BoB. It looks like he changed his word of steel and stone quickly. Anyway, Jazz was poor PvP corpà Resurrection in this process has lost or will lose roughly 25-50% of active PvPers. Rilewedge (Resurection CEO) can throw away 2+ years of his reputation and dignity. He is going to bend over just because 18 years old Vache sold him ton of beep. /cheers GG P.S. MilkyBar Kid you are wrong. Recently RISE has absorbed GA. After that RISE was more than capable to parry RONIN in EU TZ also. RONIN lost 10 out of 12 POSÆs in this conflict and at least one carrier. As of 3-4 weeks ago, RONIN presence in 4c-, d5i and nm- (OR systems with stations) was zero. RONIN was pushed in 3knk (Syndicate)à I may not like RISE anymore, but old RISE was clearly winning in conflict against RONIN. ..... SG is filled with 15mil sp nuubs? I guess you must have not met many in SG in your VERY brief time in SGHQ to come to that conclusion. And what does sp have to do with pvp skills? I guess sense I just hit the 15 mil sp threshold that makes me a ****ty pvper? And you said SGHQ doesn't have any good FC? You must have joined SG when everyone was on vacation or something or don't know how to follow a FC's orders to come to that clueless conclusion
Bror Jace Gallente Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.11 08:25:00 - [51] Edited by: Bror Jace on 11/01/2007 08:22:24 Originally by: Great Guardian ôHorrid death to BoB, Xelas, Fix à.ö à and now they are BoB lapdogs ... We were having a good old chuckle about this ourselves Originally by: Great Guardian P.S. MilkyBar Kid you are wrong. Recently RISE has absorbed GA. After that RISE was more than capable to parry RONIN in EU TZ also. RONIN lost 10 out of 12 POSÆs in this conflict and at least one carrier. As of 3-4 weeks ago, RONIN presence in 4c-, d5i and nm- (OR systems with stations) was zero. RONIN was pushed in 3knk (Syndicate)à I may not like RISE anymore, but old RISE was clearly winning in conflict against RONIN. You really think so do you? And just so you know, we've been staging from syndicate right from the start, there was really no 'pushing back' done to either side until now, with RISE's withdrawl from the region.
Shyra Storm Gallente Kombinat	Posted - 2007.01.11 13:59:00 - [52] Edited by: Shyra Storm on 11/01/2007 14:01:20 Originally by: Warsyn Maybe they should try posting all their loss mails as well? Might be a step in the right direction. Orrr they can gimme the pword and i'll post em for em :D. Okay, you think I am stupid, but then explain, why I can't find any kills of us in your board, that's miss in ronin board? I know, at the time GALKO was member of RISE, some member of your alliance don't posted their kills...! I think, your alliance is dying and will be dead soon. The Sturmgrenadiere are the last corp with good fighters. More and more corps leaving RISE and RISE turn 180 degrees to became a friend of BOB. Many signs that you hitted hard every time from us. You lost, thats seems to be true. Thats my point of view! P.S. Great Guardian, I know that RISE and friends lost 2 or more Carriers too. I know GA lost one short time before joined RISE. GALLENTE KOMBINAT
vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.11 16:30:00 - [53] Edited by: vache on 11/01/2007 16:26:35 I think i'll start up an entirely new forum for bitter people who can't get over a game. I'll send invites to several Ronin folks, along with GG and the likes. Maybe ye can set up a "grumpy old men club" Seriously, its a game, so go play it. EVE is a damn fun game to be in! Some of the crap that goes on should not force you to lose enjoyment of the game. Holding grudges and being bitter at people or an organisation if they have done something against you, or something you disagree with is an unfortunate reality. Use the game, and go pod them if you don't like them. The vast bulk of the Ronin membership are able to understand this concept, and they've given us some very good and clean fights, to which they are to be commended. I hope that they could say this about Rise too, but thats up to them. I wish you guys the best of luck in the future, and hope prosperity smiles upon you. To any moderator, this thread has served the purpose of the OP. Please lock it. Thanks ___________________________________ REZ - Director of Operations. RISE - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
TigCobra Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 16:52:00 - [54] There is one thing that I can say about SG. They arent afraid to lose, cause they will get right back up and try again. Thats what makes them a strong corp is determination. But now they are -10 so I can blow em up, so I am still happy :P My respect to Sobic.... See ya on the battlefield and btw, he knows he still wants to be a member of Battlestars :P
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Great Guardian I just found out that main SturmgrenadierÆs chief recruiting officer Kraven Kor left them so there is something else I want to say about SG... Some 3 months ago when I joined RISE, there was a war in CR (Cloud Ring region) and few days after that TOXIN invaded. Do you know what was the only corp that was 100% sitting in D5I NPC station (Outer Ring region) and did not participate in CR war efforts? SG. They moved in CR only 1 week before shameful capitulation in 9-4 system. Then SG internally announced that this famous ôvictoryö (permission to take POSÆs down in 3 days) was possible only because of SG. Yes, SG officials called it victory. They used CR conflict to eliminate CHON, Grey Council and TOA from RISE alliance to be in almost absolute control of RISE today, and especially today after eliminating BIG/BIGAA and PROMO. Other RISE corps just bend with the wind or have no right to say anything yet (former GA corps). SG PVPers? Beside excellent FC (Sobic) and few selected officers, general membership has fewer than 15M SPs. I'm leaving SG because I refuse to take the easy route in EVE -- and this isn't accusing them of doing so -- by joining or capitulating to BoB. I don't even hate BoB so much as I just like being / rooting for the underdog, and really want to be a part of the fun which will ensue when someone figures out a way to at least face them head-on. But, even in leaving SG, I can't let you spew that garbage Guardian. SG moved to OR when we joined RISE. Very shortly after the move, RISE was offered Cloud Ring by D2. So, many of the old NORAD corps moved to CR and SG became the "doorman" in OR along with Yakuza and a few other corps. The war in CR started and SG Command was ordered to stay in OR. Then came Toxin, first engaging SG and the "OR Guard" in D5I and 4C and the Syndicate Pipe. They mostly kicked the crap out of us, but we had a lot of fun and learned much and even won a few engagements. Say what you will about SG, but as someone who wore their badge for 2 YEARS I can tell you they have some very good PVP'ers and FC's and nobody should engage SG thinking they will just roll over and die. If SG just had mad isk rolling in they could accomplish more than most alliances. SG was finally ordered to CR once Toxin was mostly focusing attacks there. SG has led the RISE killboard since almost the first month of RISE membership. I can't say we were "decimating" RONIN but we certainly won more engagements than we lost and I witnessed some stunningly successful operations. Once SG moved to CR, we had about a week of good fights against YouWhat and Toxin, again mostly losing to Toxin -- they are damn good at what they do. Fights with YouWhat went back and forth, with them just having better logistics and less harrassment during their Time Zone allowing them to storm XZH with POS's. RISE could not rally the forces to take down enough POS's, and lost the station, thus moving to 9-4. Then, Grey Council left RISE and their was much SNAFU and we lost the 9-4 station, essentially sealing RISE's fate in the CR conflict. I can tell you for a fact SG never called CR a victory. You are mis-representing facts Guardian. The whole story was that RISE command had the realization -- the truth of which I can't really vouch for -- that D2 had essentially engineered the war between YouWhat and RISE by offering CR to both entities or something along those lines. When we moved to OR, SG basically played it down as "not a defeat" since the combat was ended diplomatically. Call a spade a spade and yes, it was a defeat, but I can assure you nobody in SG or RISE honestly saw CR as a victory. (continued)
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:53:00 - [56] As to removing CHON and friends, RISE command was trying to trim off the corps who they saw as hampering their evolution into a strong PVP Alliance. Were they right to do so? I don't know, but to claim SG tried to eliminate anyone is BS because SG's entire driving purpose was to make RISE a strong, respected PVP corp able to someday re-claim fountain. I can't blame them for moving to Fey under the assumption they might finally have the resources to back up their bravado :D. Believe me, regardless of the garbage spewed here, RISE had their reasons for kicking out the RONIN corps. Guardian, I don't know who you are spewing propaganda for but I won't stand by and watch, even if I might end up shooting at Sturmgrenadier someday. To SG members, you know why SG rocks, you know why you are proud to have "Sturmgrenadier" under your name on these forums. What everyone else thinks is irrelevant. Don't think that I leave with any lack of pride over having been a part of what SG has accomplished and the hardships we have faced.
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.11 17:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Great Guardian They used CR conflict to eliminate CHON, Grey Council and TOA from RISE alliance to be in almost absolute control of RISE today, and especially today after eliminating BIG/BIGAA and PROMO. Other RISE corps just bend with the wind or have no right to say anything yet (former GA corps). Resurrection in this process has lost or will lose roughly 25-50% of active PvPers. Rilewedge (Resurrection CEO) can throw away 2+ years of his reputation and dignity. He is going to bend over just because 18 years old Vache sold him ton of beep. /cheers GG You know, for a BoB spy you really don't know what's happening in RISE atm. When we were given the option to stay in Outer Ring or rent Feythabolis, each corp within RISE was allowed to make their own decision. SGHQ did not propose this deal, nor did they present it to our membership. It was also very clear that if a majority of corporations did not want to go, RISE would stay; if a majority were in favor of moving, we would go and those who did not could suck it up or leave RISE. As most should know by now, BIG, BIGAA, and PROMO left, SGHQ decided to stay. Why? Because it's a good decision. Feythabolis is an extremely rich region, with sovereignty, outposts, best ore, and great NPC's. Outer Ring pretty much sucks in every aspect. Also, REZ has not lost any active members (yet). Actually, not a single member of REZ in-game or on TS has even expressed a general distaste for this move.
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:45:00 - [58] Originally by: Buxaroo SG is filled with 15mil sp nuubs? I guess you must have not met many in SG in your VERY brief time in SGHQ to come to that conclusion. And what does sp have to do with pvp skills? I guess sense I just hit the 15 mil sp threshold that makes me a ****ty pvper? And you said SGHQ doesn't have any good FC? You must have joined SG when everyone was on vacation or something or don't know how to follow a FC's orders to come to that clueless conclusion 1) Yes, general membership, has under 15M SPs. Or that or my battle group was way below average. Beside that, at the time when I was SG member (SEP-OCT/2006), we could not get more than 7-8 members who were able to fly T2 BS snipers(!) on forums. 2) I never said that: "SGHQ doesn't have any good FC". Please read my post again. Sobic is very good and that is not a secret. There are other FCs who are OK, but there are also some who are below average. In the beginning, I lost 3 BS's against TOXIN and under leadership of some "wanna be FCs". Yes I always follow orders and then ask questions later on forums. I have learned my lesson and avoided "less competent FCs". Since that decision I was not losing ships at all and in total scored almost 90 kills for RISE over ~3 monrhs.. Based on that ôvacationö statement I can only make conclusion that you are: a)SG alt or b) some one with access to internal SG matters /cheers GG " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:03:00 - [59] Edited by: Great Guardian on 12/01/2007 05:01:13 Edited by: Great Guardian on 12/01/2007 05:00:17 Bror Jace nice fight! I really enjoyed watching it. When did that happen? In 3 months in RISE I never saw RISE being beaten by RONIN like this and it is not like I was not active (I was in top 10 on RISE KBs). Taking Sobic and Schaden (and their pods?) relatively fast was smart thing to do. I can only assume who was FC after that, and if my assumption is correct it was in your favor. Shyra Storm I still bealieve that old RISE was winning. They had full control of 3 key systems in OR (see my original post). Originally by: Kraven Kor So, many of the old NORAD corps moved to CR and SG became the "doorman" in OR along with Yakuza and a few other corps. The war in CR started and SG Command was ordered to stay in OR. That is approximately when you became inactive. I am not sure where did you get info about period after quote above. I never saw you in chat, forums or in local after that. I heard on SG TS that SG stayed in OR because they were not good in ôconquerable stationö warfare. Tell me what was SG doing in OR? Preserving ORE sovereignty? Originally by: Cap'n Jackk As most should know by now, BIG, BIGAA, and PROMO left, SGHQ decided to stay. Why? Because it's a good decision. Feythabolis is an extremely rich region, with sovereignty, outposts, best ore, and great NPC's. Outer Ring pretty much sucks in every aspect. Also, REZ has not lost any active members (yet). Actually, not a single member of REZ in-game or on TS has even expressed a general distaste for this move. ROFLà There you go SGHQ and REZ decided to stay in RISE that is not old RISE anymore, not without TOA, GC, YAK, CHON, BIG, BIGAA and PROMO. For you and your friends greed is good decision and you will abandon your friends and dignity for that. I am glad I have no friends like you. Your statement about REZ active PvP members is incorrect and we both know that, but I am not going to give you info you are looking for. Do you count yourself as ôactive PvPerö? Just ask yourself where were you on KBs in last 3 months. Good luck to you, you will need it in Feyth. /cheers GG " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will
Cap'n Jackk Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.12 09:08:00 - [60] Edited by: Cap''n Jackk on 12/01/2007 09:12:10 Originally by: Great Guardian Originally by: Cap'n Jackk As most should know by now, BIG, BIGAA, and PROMO left, SGHQ decided to stay. Why? Because it's a good decision. Feythabolis is an extremely rich region, with sovereignty, outposts, best ore, and great NPC's. Outer Ring pretty much sucks in every aspect. Also, REZ has not lost any active members (yet). Actually, not a single member of REZ in-game or on TS has even expressed a general distaste for this move. ROFLà There you go, so SGHQ and REZ decided to stay in RISE (???) that is not old RISE anymore, not without TOA, GC, YAK, CHON, BIG, BIGAA and PROMO. For you and your friends greed is good decision and you will abandon your friends and dignity for that. I am glad I have no friends like you. Your statement about REZ active PvP members is incorrect and we both know that, but I am not going to give you the info you are looking for. Do you count yourself as ôactive PvPerö? Just ask yourself where were you on KBs in last 3 months. Good luck to you, you will need it in Feyth. /cheers GG To answer your first question, no. I don't consider myself an active PvP'er. My character is trained for PvP but unfortunately I had to spend the majority of my time trying to make ISK... 16 or 17 jumps away in YVA, which was generally ridiculously overcrowded. Expected, as YVA was the best system in Outer Ring. When I was able to fund PvP, I did. Also, if you check my stats, you will notice a gap from August 9, 2006 to November 6, 2006, and another from November 7, 2006 to December 6, 2006. That's called "inactivity," an unfortunate consequence of going to college. My statistics may not be impressive because I spent my time in Outer Ring 1.) fueling POS', or 2.) attempting to set up moon mining networks to make my corporation some ISK. Unfortunately, Outer Ring was a s---hole in that department. When I secured one of two Tungsten moons on my DB... we moved. However, I was careful to post all of my kills and losses. When I was active, I managed 35 wins and 15 losses. Granted, all but a couple were in gang... but I'm just not good @ solo PvP. But of course, I keep forgetting that the only thing a person can do to contribute in REZ is PvP. Makes me ask myself... why am I wasting my time setting up POS' in Feyth? Also... you seem to be comparing two things that can't be compared, "old" RISE and "new" RISE. RISE is RISE. Yes, corps have left, and new corps have joined. Some call this change. Change does not mean that RISE ceases to exist. EDIT: Made it easier for people to see, specifically, what I was referencing.
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:17:00 - [61] Originally by: Great Guardian Edited by: Great Guardian on 12/01/2007 05:04:25 Bror Jace nice fight! I really enjoyed watching it. When did that happen? In 3 months in RISE I never saw RISE being beaten by RONIN like this and it is not like I was not active (I was in top 10 on RISE KBs). Taking Sobic and Schaden (and their pods?) relatively fast was smart thing to do. I can only assume who was FC after that, and if my assumption is correct it was in your favor. Shyra Storm I still bealieve that old RISE was winning. They had full control of 3 key systems in OR (see my original post). I'll reply to these bits as I know little about the rest :) The fight was about a week ago, the day before RISE started moving out of OR (I'm not suggesting it had any bearing on that decision) It was a good fight and looking through the stats it appears my numbers were slightly off - we had 34 ships (15 lost) and you had 53 (42 lost) though some of your losses are after we probed pilots out. I can certainly remember other fights we beat RISE or your backup in the area just as convincingly. As far as I know the main engagements where it went the your way was the D5 fight early on where we jumped approximately 40 people into a camp of around 80 RISE/VC/KOS and lost. The other was an engagement near NM which I missed but sounded like an incredibly laggy hellhole, but that isn't an excuse anyway. Thats where one of our carriers went down. Those are as far as I can remember, the only real points where you had clear wins. It is as Milkybar Kid says - we were pretty much in control in EU primetime (the merging in of Galactic Aphelion didn't really change that) and as we went to bed, a 50 man RISE gang would storm through our systems and look suprised that the four people in local wouldn't engage and wander off again. I still believe that our KB is mostly accurate as far as losses go and that while there will be some missing, even if we only posted half our losses it would still have been a win as far as combat goes. So while RISE may well have been in control of a few systems, the damages we were inflicting on you when we were awake were far more than we took. If that is expanded to include all the other groups you pulled in to fight us then the statistics are still in our favour. I feel all dirty agreeing with vache though, this bickering has gone on long enough
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.12 12:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Great Guardian Based on that ôvacationö statement I can only make conclusion that you are: a)SG alt or b) some one with access to internal SG matters /cheers GG [/quote Ummmm, check my corp history. And ask around who I am and how I roll. I started this game with SG and ran with them for my first 7 months. I started this game fighting bob and their friends from day one with SG. We lost and we won. Was some damn fun times raiding Delve back in the day and haveing a 50/50% chance coming out with your ship. And I have no regrets about them whatsoever. And off the top of my head, ColWolfe and Schadenfued were damn good FC when they led gangs. Sorry if I missed anyone, it's early in the morning and I am about to get going to work.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.12 12:24:00 - [63] Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/01/2007 12:22:01 Originally by: sableye Originally by: Sovereign533 well, i've been in RISE in the time it was filled with carebearing ********... and i've made quite a name for myself there... well, good luck RISE... hope things will change for you... and that you'll finally be able to defend your terratory when it's attacked... and you don't lose carriers because the gang that gathered to protect it doesn't warp in... NOTE : this is my personal view, and has nothing to do with my corporation OR alliance views... yer one kill and one loss for yourself and 33 kills for your corp in 2 months +, you certainly made a name for yourselves. Say this slowly, so you understand it.. Never.....Gave us..... Access.... I hope this is clear. edit: for any interested parties, the Collective Killboard
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.12 15:01:00 - [64] Buxaroo, Should I look only at your employment history only, or also at who was controlling Buxaroo account? Why do not you tell us if your present corp is in any way associated with BoB, new RISE masters and landlords? Colwolfe is excellent PvPer and I have high respect for him. I also flew in Schaden PvP gangs whenever it was possible. I did not want to say this in public before, because I do not want to make them primary targets. See my original post and pay attention to ôfew selected officersö part. Moroti, What you are saying may be the truth and I sensed it when I was in RISE, but we were told to refrain from any kind of discussions on eveo. Leaders (mainly SG) would always communicate victories or POSÆs that we destroyed to general membership, but NEVER defeats. Other fact is that I am EST TZ and I was never killed by RONIN and I was very active PvP wise until I started to realize on RISE forums what might happen and how some people would put us on BoB side. I just lost my motivation to fight for people like that. During weekends I would be very active during EU TZ prime hours, but as I said RONIN presence in OR in DEC of 2006 was minimal. My perception regarding RISE vs RONIN conflict was formed based on that experience. I hope you understand that. Cap'n Jackk, It is not correct that OR is worthless region. Even guy like me (with full time job and family) can enjoy in PvP and participate in almost 90 kills over 3 months and, at the same time, build my own 14 ships mini fleet in 4C- (4x BSÆs, 3x BCs, 1x HAC, 4x AFs and 2x t1 cruisers) plus surpluses of minerals and valuable mods to be sold in Empire. I had t2 guns and mods already there for 75% of that fleet. All of that from killing rats not so far from 4c- system. I did not hide ôhow toö from Resurrection, you still may find my post on Resurrection boards. I shared ALL my thoughts with you on forums and yes I was very vocal against recently proposed (50-75)% TAX. I do not know much about your involvement with POSÆs, but I do know that Rilwedge mentioned that Resurrection was not capable of maintaining 2 POSs that they already got (YVA and D5I). Once again û good luck in Feyth. /cheers GG " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2007.01.12 15:34:00 - [65] Originally by: Great Guardian Leaders (mainly SG) would always communicate victories or POSÆs that we destroyed to general membership, but NEVER defeats. BS. Action Reports for both victories and losses were posted. Losses usually included a "what we should have done" section. And I was never fully inactive, just rarely playing. I was highly active during the TOXIN war (even got 1-2 kills, which for me is damn good) up until the 9-4 station loss, then my grandfather died shortly thereafter and I was largely inactive until just before christmas. Even in my most active times I only played 3 or 4 times per week. I believe we just had wildly different playtimes, as I don't recall you being in any PVP gang with me, and for the most part when I did play that is all I did -- PVP or sit around waiting for PVP. Listen, I know you are upset over SG kicking you or whatever but what do you hope to gain by coming here and badmouthing them? Give it a rest. And Bux-bux, I am sad, you told us you sold your account :(
Great Guardian Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.12 16:12:00 - [66] Kraven. 1) I am correct and I was referring notifications thru alliance and corp mails. Discussion about defeats on SG forums was never welcome. Even after 9-4 blockade disasters where I lost fully t2 equiped tempest my questions on forum day after (!) about action details were not welcomed on SG forums. The answer: ôYou are soldier and follow the ordersö by Warpig (?) is not something that you can forget easily. General attitude like that resulted in extremely poor ôcall to armsö response during decisive weekend and combined ûY- and TOXIN action against RISE large POS in 9-4. I was one of 15-20 in RISE gang sitting in XZH POS ready for action. 2) You admit you were ômostlyö inactive and as inactive person you question my activity on KBs. Shame on you. If you care about the truth, go on RISE KBs and find my name there. 3) SG did not kick me, but how would you know Kraven you were not around when I wanted to discuss this with you. Misunderstanding that resulted with my departure from SG came from YOUR statement during interview (and your later confirmation after initial interview prior to my application for SG) that me not having mic will not be a problem. After 30 days my free trial membership was over so I paid annual fee (in $12 neighborhood). 1-2 weeks AFTER that I was approached by Dyneon (?), then Sobic and finally Purge Grenadier. They told to me that having mic is SG Syndicate rule. At that time I got my second daughter (she is almost 3 months old now) and could not be bother with mic thing too much, especially after realizing that mic port on my sound card was broken. Bottom line is that I left SG without my fee being reimbursed. Some 2 months after that I was kicked from Resurrection under VacheÆs public accusation that I am BoB spy. I was told that certain SG individual initiated that BS. That was only one week before SG and Reusrrection pushed RISE to take side with BoB. How pathetic that sound today? /cheers GG " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:18:00 - [67] Originally by: Great Guardian Kraven. 1) I am correct and I was referring notifications thru alliance and corp mails. Discussion about defeats on SG forums was never welcome. Even after 9-4 blockade disasters where I lost fully t2 equiped tempest my questions on forum day after (!) about action details were not welcomed on SG forums. The answer: ôYou are soldier and follow the ordersö by Warpig (?) is not something that you can forget easily. General attitude like that resulted in extremely poor ôcall to armsö response during decisive weekend and combined ûY- and TOXIN action against RISE large POS in 9-4. I was one of 15-20 in RISE gang sitting in XZH POS ready for action. If discussion of defeat or even general disagreement with command were as frowned upon as you state, they would have kicked me long ago, as I've never been one to not voice my opinion. Maybe they had issue with how you discussed / disagreed rather than the fact you were doing so? (I'm not accusing anything here, I don't recall any of your posts on SG forums being "out of line," I'm just confused as it sounds like you were reading different forums than I was?) Quote: 2) You admit you were ômostlyö inactive and as inactive person you question my activity on KBs. Shame on you. If you care about the truth, go on RISE KBs and find my name there. When did I question your KB activity? I said I don't remember seeing you in a PVP gang with me. Maybe we did fly together here and there, I just don't recall, hence my comment that we must have had different play-times. Quote: 3) SG did not kick me, but how would you know Kraven you were not around when I wanted to discuss this with you. Misunderstanding that resulted with my departure from SG came from YOUR statement during interview (and your later confirmation after initial interview prior to my application for SG) that me not having mic will not be a problem. The syndicate requirement for a mic became re-enforced after several incidents where command suspected someone was listening in on our teamspeak and relaying info to our enemies (which, since you were there, you'll remember from the 9-4 rescue fiasco where everyone was screaming about TOXIN listening in on our TS and intercepting multiple folks trying to come in for the rescue.) So, yes I was told (note, I was not command staff) it was OK for you not to have a mic and hence told you it was OK not to have a mic. Command then decided they needed to enforce the syndicate mic rule, and you were then told to get a mic. I mis-typed on the kick thing, I meant to point out that RISE had removed you under suspicion of being a spy (and BoB is not the entity that I heard you were spying for) - please note that I did not suspect any such thing and make no accusations, beyond the fact you are going out of your way to make SG look bad on the E-O forums. Good luck. You may succeed in making me upset enough to make an arse of myself, but you really aren't going to hurt SG's reputation to anyone with half a brain and any experience fighting alongside or against them -- in multiple online games.
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:29:00 - [68] Originally by: Kraven Kor And Bux-bux, I am sad, you told us you sold your account :( I did, but I came back about 45 days or so and got my characters back because the guy was already bored with eve and attending college. Got some of my RL friends hooked on EVE after some demonstrations and formed my own corp Black Dwarf and joined CDSI alliance aligned with LV. I could make a whole thread on the rest lol. And Guardian, I don't have any "insider information" or access to SG's private forums. I can deduce pretty well from SG's killboards though on the D2 and IRON thing and their subsequent siding with BoB, which surprised the hell out of me when I first heard about it. Needless to say they made a great choice and D2 lost someone who could have been a good ally of theirs. But oh well, D2 are known for their backstabbing ways
Jaisen Isaac Minmatar Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:36:00 - [69] Edited by: Jaisen Isaac on 17/01/2007 19:37:49 Originally by: Manc If you truly are turning the corner then just stop the bull & prove your worth on the kill boards. As long as it requires human interaction to post a kill mail on a kill board, no kill board can be trusted to be an acurate picture of what took place every engagement. Every corp wins some, every corp loses some. Each individual remembers events differently. From my personal perspective, I was involved in more fleet engagements with positive results than negative. From my perspective RISE played EvE differently than The Ronin. Who's way is better is not for me to judge. Although, I am proud of the game RISE has played. This is just my opinion, in other words, I am representing my own point of view, an not necesarily the view of my alliance or my corp.
Rajari Amarr Crimson Star Empire	Posted - 2007.01.17 20:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Jaisen Isaac Edited by: Jaisen Isaac on 17/01/2007 19:37:49 Originally by: Manc If you truly are turning the corner then just stop the bull & prove your worth on the kill boards. As long as it requires human interaction to post a kill mail on a kill board, no kill board can be trusted to be an acurate picture of what took place every engagement. Every corp wins some, every corp loses some. Each individual remembers events differently. Who's way is better is not for me to judge. QFT. For once I am seeing some real wisdom in this flame-fest.

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