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Ghostshadow
Caldari
Brotherhood of Light
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:50:00 -
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So i have 2 accounts i play at the same time. I was wondering which two battleships i should train for to do some 0.0 ratting.
I was thinking a Rohk + Megathron, both with blasters would do the job rather nicely.
Maybe a Tempest + Mega with AC and blasters?
I like to plan ahead and kinda want to know wich race to train for, and if i need lasers/blasters/autocannons. Missiles are boring, but i'm not completely against them (i'm using a drake at the moment)
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Angus McLean
Gallente
Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:54:00 -
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Your choices are close range only. For the best reaction, I would suggest using something that can fire at your target while the blaster mega gets in range.
AKA why not use the PvE'rs dreamship, the Raven.
Then the Mega. Or even the Apoc would do.
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June li
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:57:00 -
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Well, a solo raven with even bad skills can kill any 0.0 belt spawn i'm sure. My raven skills are bad and I have no problem taking triple seraphim / domination BS spawns 
So i'd go with a torp raven and a destroyer loaded up on salvagers if all you want to do is kill belt rats tbh. You don't need to invest too much skillpoints, and then you're free to focus training on whatever you like.
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Ghostshadow
Caldari
Brotherhood of Light
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:02:00 -
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Well i was thinking high close range DPS could be fun... but you think a raven + mega would be better?
Since i've never used anything bigger than heavy missiles, whats the difference between torps and cruise missiles? Which would you use for ratting?
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:05:00 -
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Raven and Raven would be most effective, but if you don't want missiles, I cant' really say what woudl be most effective.
What rats?
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:05:00 -
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Meh 2 ravens would be the best, Torps put out a tremendous amount of rat-specific damage, not much can beat that.
Second choice would be Domis since they can also choose their damage type.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:13:00 -
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Raven as Tank+Damage and a Typhoon with 4x Siege, 1x Tractor and 3x Salvagers with MWD/Inertial Stabs and Nanos in lows. The drones of the Typhoon will be helpful as well.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:17:00 -
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Raven w/cruise + Raven w/torps works quite nicely. Boring as hell, but a whole lotta bang for your buck.
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Madorthene
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Madorthene on 28/12/2006 16:50:00
Two geddons is (imo) the best possible setup, really. They do great damage for NPCing, but importantly use no ammo. That's a huge factor in .0 NPCing.
EDIT: They also have a spare highslot for one tractor/salvager.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Madorthene
Edited by: Madorthene on 28/12/2006 16:50:00
Two geddons is (imo) the best possible setup, really. They do great damage for NPCing, but importantly use no ammo. That's a huge factor in .0 NPCing.
EDIT: They also have a spare highslot for one tractor/salvager.
Depends on the rats. I wouldn't use anything Amarr on Angels. But they'd rip Sansha/Bloods apart. I'd also tank one heavily and then do a gank setup on the other. Would be pretty fun.
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Weix
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ghostshadow
So i have 2 accounts i play at the same time.
May I ask you if you play on 2 separate computers or with 2 accounts on one computer simultaneously? And with 2 separate monitors? I am asking because soon my second account comes out of its 14 days trial.
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Madorthene
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Madorthene
Edited by: Madorthene on 28/12/2006 16:50:00
Two geddons is (imo) the best possible setup, really. They do great damage for NPCing, but importantly use no ammo. That's a huge factor in .0 NPCing.
EDIT: They also have a spare highslot for one tractor/salvager.
Depends on the rats. I wouldn't use anything Amarr on Angels. But they'd rip Sansha/Bloods apart. I'd also tank one heavily and then do a gank setup on the other. Would be pretty fun.
True the damage type is particular to sansha or blood, but that's just a matter of choosing the right region. Once you do, they will do great damage with megapulse(You can semi tank/gank one with a LAR, hardeners and two HS) and fully gank the other (all HS/CPR, etc). And they won't need ammo. I can't begin to explain how much of a stress reliever that is, and it vastly increases efficiency at ratting.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Madorthene
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Madorthene
Edited by: Madorthene on 28/12/2006 16:50:00
Two geddons is (imo) the best possible setup, really. They do great damage for NPCing, but importantly use no ammo. That's a huge factor in .0 NPCing.
EDIT: They also have a spare highslot for one tractor/salvager.
Depends on the rats. I wouldn't use anything Amarr on Angels. But they'd rip Sansha/Bloods apart. I'd also tank one heavily and then do a gank setup on the other. Would be pretty fun.
True the damage type is particular to sansha or blood, but that's just a matter of choosing the right region. Once you do, they will do great damage with megapulse(You can semi tank/gank one with a LAR, hardeners and two HS) and fully gank the other (all HS/CPR, etc). And they won't need ammo. I can't begin to explain how much of a stress reliever that is, and it vastly increases efficiency at ratting.
I agree. When I hunted Sansha's with an Apoc I never thought about ammo. When I moved and started hunting Angels in a Raven I had to use my alt just to bring ammo to myself if I wanted to chain a spawn for any length of time. It's a pain. I'd gladly go back to hunting Sansha's if I still NPC hunted.
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Leo Balthur
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:33:00 -
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two torp ravens with TPs pwn everything ;]
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Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:05:00 -
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raven + industrial/transport
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Xthril Ranger
raven + industrial/transport
was just about to post BS + industrial
Btw, which BS u use depends on the npcs your hunting
Vs sansha, use a armor tanking ship and a ship that can deal EM damage.
VS Angels use a shield tanking ship and a ship that can deal kin/exp damage etc.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:18:00 -
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2x Raven. No contest.
Maybe when shooting Sansha's or Bloods something else is more efficient but I seriously doubt that. You can always do a Cruise Raven without nos and Armor tank it.
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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Elynthe
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Posted - 2006.12.29 13:08:00 -
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2x t2 blastertrons with gank setup
5x heavy armor repper drones.
No need to fit repper and you can fit 3x t2 dmg mod and decent tank with t2 nanos en and one t2 active explosive.
Fit a best named target painter on both and an Mwd.
You can get close to any spawn withing a couple MWD cycles. You have nothing but your guns that use cap so you can just MWD like mad.
Just make sure to send out the repper drones to the one getting hit. They completely replace a large repper if you have some nice rep drone skill :)
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Tyranical Teabagger
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Tyranical Teabagger on 29/12/2006 14:08:15
I always liked the good old 7x425 mega with antimatter. It absolutely tears apart any spawn I've ever come across and so long as you do a little prep and get a couple large containers of ammo into the system first it works great and don't forget the hold full of t2 med drones. Also blasters are crap for ratting if you have to worry about ammo use at all.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:12:00 -
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Depends on part of space where you are. But 2x ravens do job anywhere.
2x geddons are just better in sansha/blood space. For angels/serp/guristas, amarr ships are poo, for blood/sansha/angel gallente are poo(apart from dromi but that's another story)
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Anna Grahm
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:17:00 -
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Raven and an t2 indy to loot.
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Noxious89123
Gallente
LFC
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Noxious89123 on 29/12/2006 14:22:49
Rails are terrible for ratting.
You seem to have the wrong end of the stick about ammo use.
Whilst blasters fire faster, they do more damage per eacg single round, thus getting you more bang per shot.
So ratting in a blasterboat will use up ammo faster, but it will still be more efficient with the ammo. It will also kill the rats a hell lot faster.
Also, i disagree that 'Gallente are poo against Angels'.
Whilst a Megathrons guns may be dealing the 'wrong' damage types, they can still chew through a triple Throne spawn with ease.
Don't forget, blasters are the most powerful weapon in EVE, for raw DPS. But of course they carry the penalty of having very very poor range.
But anyways, Ravens are the best ships for ratting. As much as i hate Ravens, they are undisputably the best ships for ratting.
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Apprehentive
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Posted - 2006.12.29 16:19:00 -
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How about a domi? Personally, i rat in a domi with 3x hevy nos and an mwd. 1x LAR II + 4x Hardeners allow will make sure your tank wont be broken by any belt NPC (maybe an officer, never found any yet). Fill the rest with cap rechargers/power relays and a salvager or two.
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Tyranical Teabagger
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Posted - 2006.12.29 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Noxious89123
Edited by: Noxious89123 on 29/12/2006 14:22:49
Rails are terrible for ratting.
You seem to have the wrong end of the stick about ammo use.
Whilst blasters fire faster, they do more damage per eacg single round, thus getting you more bang per shot.
So ratting in a blasterboat will use up ammo faster, but it will still be more efficient with the ammo. It will also kill the rats a hell lot faster.
Also, i disagree that 'Gallente are poo against Angels'.
Whilst a Megathrons guns may be dealing the 'wrong' damage types, they can still chew through a triple Throne spawn with ease.
Don't forget, blasters are the most powerful weapon in EVE, for raw DPS. But of course they carry the penalty of having very very poor range.
But anyways, Ravens are the best ships for ratting. As much as i hate Ravens, they are undisputably the best ships for ratting.
yes, but by the time you get into range a rail ship would probably have already killed it. That was my experience anyway. Although I agree the raven is bar non the best ratter if you're gonna use ammo, but I'm not trained for it and I found that a railathron worked quite nicely.
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Kashre
Minmatar
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:11:00 -
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Even with cheeze skills 95% of any spawn out there can be killed pretty much by any solo BS.
I run an AC tempest for ratting (with an AB) and on my second account I run an exequror with 3 t1 cargo expanders, 1 tractor and 3 salvagers.
You make WAAAAY more money being able to loot/salvage fast, than you would just killing the rats twice as fast.
As far as getting in range, almost every belt I've ever been in has some random rocks 150+ km away from the targets you need to go after. So if you're way out of position with your short range guns, just warp to the rock, line up on a rock behind your target which is now 150+ away, figure out what range to warp to it at so you land on top of your target, and you're good.
if for some reason my home region is a freak of nature and this kind of belt layout is not common, then I'd say just make BMs 200km from all the belts in your favorite ratting system. Same effect.
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Posted - 2006.12.29 20:28:00 -
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I love the geddon/domi combination.
Geddon as main dmg dealer with 7x MP II and gank setup.
Domi as tanker, looter and secondary dmg dealer.
Best of all both ships dont use ammo and the combination of t2 drones and t2 laser deals more than enough dmg to kill every spawn i encountered so far.
vs Angels though i would switch the geddon for a Tempest or Raven to optimize the dmg
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