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Aarin Wrath
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Posted - 2006.12.29 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 29/12/2006 22:21:29
Hey guys,
Anyone have some ideas as to what the T2 varriants of the new Battecruisers could be used for when they come out? (assuming they wont be command ships)
My guess #1: Very Heavy Assult
They could be hardcore damage dealers with "so so" tanks (as compared to the current command ships). So generally the bonuses would apply to damage and rate of fire and not resistances or armor / shield.
Eg. the T2 Drake would get a 5% bonus to all heavy missle damage and a 5% bonus to rate of fire per level of Very Heavy Assault skill(?), or the Hurrican would get a 5% extra bonus to rate of fire (over its current ... imagine 50% overall bonus in rate of fire!) and 5% to speed?
My guess #2: Heavy Logistics
There have been a couple of complaints here and there that a logistics fitted battleship is better than a T2 logistics ship ... these could tip this balance. They would get a huge cap and fitting bonuses to large shield transporters/ armor reppers. (I like this idea the most to be honest, plus it fits with the whole battlecruiser / gang support role)
Anyone else have any ideas / suggestions?
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2006.12.29 22:43:00 -
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Sound's like your trying to make a BC in to a BS would ok i guess as a speclist ship.
The Heavy Logistics shop would be great given how it jumps form a curiser to a carrier more or less in the logistics tree.
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Captain Crimson
Wisemen Foundation
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:02:00 -
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Yea, yea ye- no. Just no. We have assualt ships, now you want VERY heavy assualt ships... what will be next? BS assault ships?
The BC is too big to be a very assault ship.. it would just become a battleship with smaller guns. And we already have very heavy assault ships: Field command ships (well, kinda). It would jsut be another version of OMFGSTFUNUBCAKE ships.
My feelings: The hurricane and drake are silly with the bonuses they have, jacking them up a level would be even sillier. 2 5% ROF increases? Don't be a numpty. A heavy assualt ship would be too much like a battleship. Why is the nyx popular? the damage bonuses. A good damage dealer > a good defender.
The logistics..... maybe, but isn't that role partly filled by the fleet command ship? A viable logistics ship for use in PvP is a potent tool.
My idea: Expand on the interdictor front? Not sure how, but it could be done.
sorry if i was too harsh....
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Aarin Wrath
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Captain Crimson
My idea: Expand on the interdictor front? Not sure how, but it could be done.
sorry if i was too harsh....
K ... I was just throwing out ideas. I was hoping to promote discussion / brain storming, not flame throwing.
As for the expanding on the interdictor I am not certain how you could. It would follow in the ship tree level though. Hmmmmm maybe a new tech could be cyno field disruptors? and the t2 bcs are the ships that can launch them? That would be kinda neat. You could lock down a system from force recons or what have you sending a carrier into your system by disrupting or closing thier cyno field.
Ideas / thoughts? (flamers away please ... this is just throwing around ideas)
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2006.12.29 23:13:00 -
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Heavy logistics would be interesting, something with no damage or gang module bonuses that could tank like the fleet commands do and beefed-up logistics bonuses.
That said it wouldn't make the existing logistics ships any less unpopular. 
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.30 00:18:00 -
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we have fleet command and field command.
so... either a new concept logistics ship (would be poor next step for these models) or a new type of command ship.
squadron command ship? (small gang oriented?)
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:50:00 -
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i'd rather the sliepnir got the hurricane hull
Eos, got the myrmidon hull, and etc
and adjusted boni's to fit.
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J Valkor
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Posted - 2006.12.30 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
i'd rather the sliepnir got the hurricane hull
Eos, got the myrmidon hull, and etc
and adjusted boni's to fit.
Nighthawk with a Drake hull would be sweet.
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Ergo Morte
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:45:00 -
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From a strictly Gallente viewpoint I think it's likely that we will get a missile based T2 bc next time around because Creodon and Duvolle already are represented as the CSs. A T2 Bc missile platform leaves a lot of interesting upgrades on the table for "heavy" versions of other T2 ships.
I'd like a heavy interdictor. An interdictor that has a good amount of combat survivability would be a godsend, you could drop a spere and then add other types of support. A more frontline role for the gang support aspect of BCs in general. I figure were talking about inty V as a prereq and a max speed in the low 200s.
Another just plain nasty addition would be a heavy stealth bomber. again I find that the aspect of increased survivability is what make the idea appealling. 6 highs with 3 missile slots and a fitting bonus for cruise launchers ( the Drake gets reduced to 5 missile slots total and CPU restricted so it can't fit more than 4 cruise launchers ( a smaller fitting bonus perhaps ))
As an aside, a new take on the assault ship could work. More of a fast attack ship than a really heavy assualt ship with frigate warp speed, lower general mass and a mass reduction bonus. I figure that it would get only modest resist bonii if any at all and a slightly, about 10 - 20 m/s, faster max speed. I even have a name and a general slot layout for this particular forlorn hopr of a ship. I fell in love with the prototype assault frig the Erynis when I happenned accross it's stats and I'd love a 2 turret/4 missile relatively nimble fast attack BC. keep the rest of the slot layout the same and adjust the PG/CPU to fit the new weapon allotment.
Oh well I guy can dream.
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Dangerously Cheesey
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
i'd rather the sliepnir got the hurricane hull
Eos, got the myrmidon hull, and etc
and adjusted boni's to fit.
Mmmmm, Domi with the new Hyperion hull 
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Spei Prodetor
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aarin Wrath
Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 29/12/2006 22:21:29
Hey guys,
Anyone have some ideas as to what the T2 varriants of the new Battecruisers could be used for when they come out? (assuming they wont be command ships)
My guess #1: Very Heavy Assult
They could be hardcore damage dealers with "so so" tanks (as compared to the current command ships). So generally the bonuses would apply to damage and rate of fire and not resistances or armor / shield.
Eg. the T2 Drake would get a 5% bonus to all heavy missle damage and a 5% bonus to rate of fire per level of Very Heavy Assault skill(?), or the Hurrican would get a 5% extra bonus to rate of fire (over its current ... imagine 50% overall bonus in rate of fire!) and 5% to speed?
My guess #2: Heavy Logistics
There have been a couple of complaints here and there that a logistics fitted battleship is better than a T2 logistics ship ... these could tip this balance. They would get a huge cap and fitting bonuses to large shield transporters/ armor reppers. (I like this idea the most to be honest, plus it fits with the whole battlecruiser / gang support role)
Anyone else have any ideas / suggestions?
They are already ingame and have been for quite some time... EG:
Astarte vs Eos the Eos is equiv to the Myrm while the Astarte is equiv to the Brutix
Same with the other races just can't remember the names =)
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:03:00 -
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Just replace field command ships with tier2 bc hulls.
1-it makes sense and 2-it looks so much better.
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Zolltan
Wasted Reavers
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: J Valkor
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
i'd rather the sliepnir got the hurricane hull
Eos, got the myrmidon hull, and etc
and adjusted boni's to fit.
Nighthawk with a Drake hull would be sweet.
It's a matter of taste, of course, but if they did that, I would put a bullet in my head :/
The nighthawk looks absolutely awesome as it is, and I dont think a jet-black drake could beat that in a thousand years.
They could of course create a third command ship for this purpose, but it feels kinda unnecessairy.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:39:00 -
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I made a post about my idea a while ago...Got bumped away.
A larger version of the recon ships,but instead of using ewar to be anti support they have extreme tracking velocity etc bonuses so they can pop small stuff easily.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 30/12/2006 12:02:09
FLAGSHIPS : Skill at operating Flagship class battlecruisers
Rank 8 to 10 skill, prerequisite L4 fleet command, L5 advanced weapons upgrades and L5 battlecruisers
Two variants of ship out of tier 2 BC hull: Overseer and Monitor
Monitor
* can operate ONE link and gets a 7.5% per level bonus to racial link effectiveness
* can fit a siege module
** needs racial cruiser L5 *AND* L1 capital ships
Overseer
* can operate THREE links with 3% per level bonus to racial link effectiveness
* can fit covops cloak
** needs racial cruiser L5 *AND* L4 recon
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Now tell me those aren't AWESOME ships :P
And neither over, nor underpowered.
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The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:17:00 -
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Make them ultimate salvagers/hackers/archeology ships =P
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:25:00 -
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the BS version would be
Even Heavier Assault Ships
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Sedai Hara
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sedai Hara on 30/12/2006 15:32:17
Hmm i think Akita T ison the right track.
A t2 kinda Seige fleet command ship, thats oriented to boost dreads and capital fleets all together.
But to ask for capital ship Lvl 1 for a battlecruise is a bit daft TBH
would be like asking for Battleship skill for a HAC..
But as said, to be some sort of capital fleet booster of death should be nice.
and AWU lvl 5 seems like an exelent skill needed, takes ages but helps alot!
The overseer version also sounds nice, a big cloaker. I kinda miss that, as covert ops in general are pretty vaunruable. to ahve one that accualy can tank WITH NO XTREME NOS (looking at pilgrim & curse) would be nice indeed
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.30 15:48:00 -
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One off-the-wall possibility, which I have mentioned a few times; an escort ship.
What does this mean? Simple. A shield bubble, which can be used to protect other more vulnerable ships flying in formation with it. This something which is lacking at present; all the escort in the world is not going to prevent an enemy sniping your hauler/barge/transport ship. However, with a command ship's shields in the way, an escort that actually works becomes a possibility.
This would also become a movable haven for repair, reload and recharge.
This would obviously require coding, but it sounds nice to me.
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Angus McLean
Gallente
Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:27:00 -
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Speaking as me, I would say yes. Because I love impenetrable ships. Speaking as a character in EvE, no way. The drake doesnt need 2 more bonuses and T2 resistances. It would make me cry if it did.
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Kellaen
Gallente
Terrulian Exo Arcologies
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Posted - 2006.12.30 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc
i'd rather the sliepnir got the hurricane hull
Eos, got the myrmidon hull, and etc
and adjusted boni's to fit.
Seconded!
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Corphus
Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kellaen
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
i'd rather the sliepnir got the hurricane hull
Eos, got the myrmidon hull, and etc
and adjusted boni's to fit.
Seconded!
/agreed...sounds reasonable to me aswell if u think about the logistics idea, and how logistic cruisers are vulnerable.
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