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Raal Throx Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.29 23:59:00 - [1] I completely go own level 2 missions, with drones, more or less while making coffee or w/e,.. Most level 3 missions i have to run run run... Yet I can group up with people, and do level 4 missions with 2 friends and its cake walk. I'm flying a hurricane, fitted out with the best fittings i can buy, money not being an issue. IMO there needs to be a lvl 2.5 mission set :D
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:01:00 - [2] Or you can do some research and see why you're getting pwned in level 3s. Everyone else seems to have no problem doing them in BCs so obviously there must be something you're missing.
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:03:00 - [3] You're not doing it right if you cannot do it in a hurricane. I can do them in a rupture. -=====-
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Raal Throx I completely go own level 2 missions, with drones, more or less while making coffee or w/e,.. Most level 3 missions i have to run run run... Yet I can group up with people, and do level 4 missions with 2 friends and its cake walk. I'm flying a hurricane, fitted out with the best fittings i can buy, money not being an issue. IMO there needs to be a lvl 2.5 mission set :D You fly a hurricane and have trouble with level 3 missions ? -- Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there. These posts represent those of my corp or alliance. These do reflect official alliance or corp views This is not a dis
Antodias Puppets on Steroids	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:13:00 - [5] Remember to check the damage types you have to tank and set up your hardeners properly. I remember in level 2s I used exactly the same tank in every mission but in level 3s you really need to adjust your setup every mission. ------------------------------------ It's great being a Dev, isn't it?
Raal Throx Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:17:00 - [6] I cant use T2 guns... but im using 2 medium and 2 light drones, and 720mm siege cannons... .. my sheild resists are 60-70% against the rats im going up against. Hints? suggestions?
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Raal Throx I cant use T2 guns... but im using 2 medium and 2 light drones, and 720mm siege cannons... .. my sheild resists are 60-70% against the rats im going up against. Hints? suggestions? Higher resists they are too low. Why not take the rat-a-lot Drake BC? For every level of BC you it give 3.5% or some such to all shield resists. Very easy to tank. Get a few missile skills and you'll be doing missions in your sleep. -------------- Dang nabit
Apsa1ar	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Raal Throx I cant use T2 guns... but im using 2 medium and 2 light drones, and 720mm siege cannons... .. my sheild resists are 60-70% against the rats im going up against. Hints? suggestions? Don't most people armor tank their Hurricanes? I certainly do.
Raal Throx Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Originally by: Raal Throx I cant use T2 guns... but im using 2 medium and 2 light drones, and 720mm siege cannons... .. my sheild resists are 60-70% against the rats im going up against. Hints? suggestions? Higher resists they are too low. Why not take the rat-a-lot Drake BC? For every level of BC you it give 3.5% or some such to all shield resists. Very easy to tank. Get a few missile skills and you'll be doing missions in your sleep. I'm minmatar, not caldari :D no drakes for me lol
Raal Throx Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Apsa1ar Originally by: Raal Throx I cant use T2 guns... but im using 2 medium and 2 light drones, and 720mm siege cannons... .. my sheild resists are 60-70% against the rats im going up against. Hints? suggestions? Don't most people armor tank their Hurricanes? I certainly do. How should I setup as an armor tank then? At what point do you know you need to get out with using an armor tank? This is something I've not done much/any of...
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:41:00 - [11] Edited by: ScreamingLord Sutch on 30/12/2006 00:44:25 So instead of you trying to improve to match the game, you try to get the whole game changed to suit you? Bravo sir! And just so you cant say I'm not being helpful: If a ship has a lot more low slots than midslots its a good indication it needs armour tanking. Fit a medium repper and 3 rats specific ACTIVE hardners. Fit 2 cap power relays. In the mids fit an afterburner, web and cap recharger. Armour tanking is a bit scary if you are used to shield tanking but it's really very effective.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.30 00:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Raal Throx I'm minmatar, not caldari :D no drakes for me lol And that stops you getting Caldari Frigate 4 and Caldari cruiser 3 becauseeeee? -------------- Dang nabit
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.30 02:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Originally by: Raal Throx I'm minmatar, not caldari :D no drakes for me lol And that stops you getting Caldari Frigate 4 and Caldari cruiser 3 becauseeeee? Some ppl like to stay within their own race when it comes to ships/guns, I do that with most of my characters... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
Enmel Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.30 02:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Enmel on 30/12/2006 02:13:45 Edit: Changed link to be more linky :D Hurricane lvl3s are easy to do. I ran them with the following setup, worked fine, lots of fun etc etc. [High] 6x650mm Artillery Cannon II 2xStandard Launcher [Mid] 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer (Using Name, but T2 will fit) 2xCap Recharger (I'm using named, but T2 will fit) [Low] 2xMedium Armour Repairer II 3xArmour Hardener 1xGyrostabiliser II Lifted the setup from this thread also useful site for anyone matari.Scrapheap Hurricane Lvl3 -- [20:40:12] High Sierra > its like that moment after sex when you arent sure if your date is going to moo or baa
Abye Caldari UNITED STARS ORGANISATION	Posted - 2006.12.30 03:48:00 - [15] Originally by: DarkMatter Some ppl like to stay within their own race when it comes to ships/guns, I do that with most of my characters... Since training for tech1 ships is WAY faster than training for weapon systems, all I think is it is your problem. As Minmatar you eventually get missile skills and shield tanking skills. Getting caldari cruiser 3 is done in few days. Take the right tool for the job, that makes thing way easier, you shouldn't be that stubborn. Btw, I never regretted training for both Caldari and Gallente ships.
Apsa1ar	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Raal Throx How should I setup as an armor tank then? At what point do you know you need to get out with using an armor tank? This is something I've not done much/any of... See Enmel's fit - that's exactly what I use. Except, I can fit a heavy missle launcher and an assault missle launcher instead of the standards. Maybe I have higher engineering skills or something. Also, I use two tracking comps and one cap recharger. As far as when you need to get out, if stuff starts getting hairy, I make sure I'm aligned. When my cap is getting close to dying, I warp out. Remember to call in the drones!
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:56:00 - [17] more skills a buddy to take along - correct fitting read and add to the missions forum that should help
Drachma Golea	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Raal Throx I completely go own level 2 missions, with drones, more or less while making coffee or w/e,.. Most level 3 missions i have to run run run... Yet I can group up with people, and do level 4 missions with 2 friends and its cake walk. I'm flying a hurricane, fitted out with the best fittings i can buy, money not being an issue. IMO there needs to be a lvl 2.5 mission set :D I run level 3 missions in an ishtar (Gallente drone hac) and find them mostly very easy... imho the gap between level 4 and level 3 (solo that is) is huge... but then again, i still need to learn a lot :-/
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:50:00 - [19] mmm must admit i used to have alot of trouble with level 3 missions in my ferox and got pwned several times, i have been playing just under 3 months (about 2months at the time), but after concentrating on missile skills and getting a ferox i can solo any lvl 3 mission now. ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Drachma Golea Originally by: Raal Throx I completely go own level 2 missions, with drones, more or less while making coffee or w/e,.. Most level 3 missions i have to run run run... Yet I can group up with people, and do level 4 missions with 2 friends and its cake walk. I'm flying a hurricane, fitted out with the best fittings i can buy, money not being an issue. IMO there needs to be a lvl 2.5 mission set :D I run level 3 missions in an ishtar (Gallente drone hac) and find them mostly very easy... imho the gap between level 4 and level 3 (solo that is) is huge... but then again, i still need to learn a lot :-/ ive heard the same from my corpmates ive kitted out and trained up my bs skills so i can do attempt them in my raven (cruise missiles ahoy!) but im still not gonna attempt wc4 :-) ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
Kovacs Caprios Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:12:00 - [21] I used to run lvl 3 in a cyclone with t1 guns.... it was a bit tricky but do able.. Not tried the cane yet...
Vesas Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Originally by: Raal Throx I'm minmatar, not caldari :D no drakes for me lol And that stops you getting Caldari Frigate 4 and Caldari cruiser 3 becauseeeee? Because not everyone want to fly a boring caldari nubbin spam-mobile?
Silas Genovese	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:38:00 - [23] Hey, you shouldn't be having a problem running level 3's in a BC, I used the Caracal for awhile running level 3's (whilst doing my Learning skills) with no problems. Granted, I was using missiles and range, but still, a BC has alot more survivability than any cruiser. I have to believe you just aren't beefing up your resists correctly or something.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:18:00 - [24] The most fun way to do lvl3 missions is in an AF. Enyo with 125mm Railgun II's ftw --- We are Recruiting!
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Antodias Remember to check the damage types you have to tank and set up your hardeners properly. I remember in level 2s I used exactly the same tank in every mission but in level 3s you really need to adjust your setup every mission. i don't find that's the case really, but then i've got most engineering skills up to level 4, and i'm in a cyclone so i have a decent shield tank to be working with. as long as you're not overly weak to the damage type the rats are using (e.g in my case it's EM unless i have an EM hardner fitted - which i do) then you just need to check you're using the right ammo type. in my case again i use depleted uranium ammo because it's good all round stuff, and then every mission change which heavy missiles i'm using and which drones i'm using. most level 3 missions can be comfortably done with no effort. there are few in which a hit-and-run tactic might be needed, such as the blockade, where you're looking at alot of battlecruisers and alot of missiles. of course, i was soloing that mission when it's designed for two or three people to run it. i recently bought a drake, and man, are they tough. ========================================== Iy
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:39:00 - [26] Edited by: Twin blade on 05/01/2007 15:42:38 Originally by: Enmel Edited by: Enmel on 30/12/2006 02:13:45 Edit: Changed link to be more linky :D Hurricane lvl3s are easy to do. I ran them with the following setup, worked fine, lots of fun etc etc. [High] 6x650mm Artillery Cannon II 2xStandard Launcher [Mid] 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer (Using Name, but T2 will fit) 2xCap Recharger (I'm using named, but T2 will fit) [Low] 2xMedium Armour Repairer II 3xArmour Hardener 1xGyrostabiliser II Lifted the setup from this thread also useful site for anyone matari.Scrapheap Hurricane Lvl3 Kind of pointless to have 2 reps. X6 650's scout/T2 x1 AB T2 X1 Tracking Comp named/T2 x2 Cap recharge named/T2 X1 Mar named/T2 x3 Harder's for rat damage type x2 Gyro's named/T2 Will 1 volly frigs and destroyer's easy 2/3 volly most curiser's. Take 5 light drone's to deal with the odd frig that will make it in close. Over all with the speed you can reach most ships will never make it close befor you destroy them simple and will own all lvl3. Missile's can be used if you like but i found them a waste of time since the gun's just destroy any thing a lvl 3 will send to kill you. !
Gaius Vitellius Minmatar Blackwater Consulting	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:09:00 - [27] I run level 3's constantly in my Hurricane. I've got a total of 350k SP in Gunnery, 80k SP in Missles, 300k SP in Drones, and 900k SP in Engineering (shield skills). The only mission that even comes close to causing me problems is Mordus Headhunters. (Portal to War seems easy). My 'Cane for level 3's. Quickfit puts me at about 205dps at 25k range with BC only at 3. (Counting drones) 6x650mm "Scout" Artillery 2x'Limos" Heavy Launchers 1x10mn Afterburner (T2) 1xTarget Painter (Named) 1xSensor Booster (Named) 1xCap Recharger (Named) 1xMedium Armor Rep (Named) 2xHardeners (Based on Rat type) 1xEnergized Adaptive Nano 2xGyros (Named) 4 Light Drones (T1) 1 Medium Drone (T1) If I warp into a bunch of hostiles, I set a course away from them and engage AB. The drones pick off close frigates and the guns eliminate anything 12k+ away. If I warp into hostiles at range I turn away from the enemy ships and engage guns to pull them towards me. Once they get within about 45k I start moving and only use the AB to keep the range between 25k and 45k.
Shinji Seto Minmatar Haemon Astrantia	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:23:00 - [28] i run a lot of lvl 3 missions from a quality 18 agent in my hurricane with this set and i dont have any problems. highs 220mm "scout" medium autocannon x6 salvager 1 heavy missle launcher mid named webber named cap recharger x2 10mn afterburner lows 1600mm plate 800mm plate med armor rep energized resistance plates x3 (various depending on what enemies i will be facing) this set up gives me about 13k armor HP and my cap always holds. "Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide"
maCH'Ett3 Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:20:00 - [29] Used to do them in an Enyo, no bother. Only hard one was the Angel Extravaganza... Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned [by maCH]! Sigeh?
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:31:00 - [30] I've gotta say, I rather enjoy level 3's in a battleship. The extra DPS from my thron makes them go faster, and I'm not so worried about popping. (Excpet lvl 3 Mordus Headhunters, those pumas spam incredible dps for Caldari ships) Then again, I have an insane hatred for the Gallente Battlecruisers. And the feeling seems to be mutual, the things cannot wait to blow up to get out from around me --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.

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