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rogueclone2
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Posted - 2015.10.25 14:29:02 -
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this is open post for the space lanes tracker's an yes you station traders as well.
not sure if i saw this right but with the new citadels you'll be able to sell an buy from your citadels right ? so with that said i ask you this.
with the new citadels coming out do you think they'll have impact on the trade lanes routes ? |
Zerinia
Alliance of Free Stars
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Posted - 2015.10.25 15:30:31 -
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We have no idea where players will be able to anchor these, afaik. Obviously sov nullsec, but NPC null? Low? High? I really don't think we know enough yet. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2015.10.25 16:30:55 -
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We've been told there will be private markets, I think there was a hint of public markets too, but it would be very hard to displace current trade hubs due the the inertia they already have. I can see it happening, but it will take an enormous amount of ISK, effort and time by the owner of the Citadel trade hub. A low tax will make it attractive to sellers, but you also need buyers, so you need stock there in the first place. Depending on the mechanics they implement for collecting your stuff after it's blown up could also deter traders from selling there or players in general keeping their stuff there.
Zerinia wrote:We have no idea where players will be able to anchor these, afaik. Obviously sov nullsec, but NPC null? Low? High? I really don't think we know enough yet.
Everywhere that is at least 600 km from a celestial or structure.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3q3buk/structure_talk_play_by_play/
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
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Posted - 2015.10.25 17:44:49 -
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Depending on what happens with respect to the points raised above, I would say Niarja would be a good spot for one. If you had the support of someone like one of the bigger Merc alliances you might not have to worry too much about wardecs. It will be interesting to see how this all falls out. |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.25 18:39:56 -
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I don't know how those would fare in High-Sec, compared to other locations, including, apparently, WH.
Also, will it be possible to let trader pay for docking licenses or will there be other similar requirement imposed to facilitate trucking.
For instance, let's say you buy items from a citadel to which docking is restricted...
Do you need to find a hauler who can access the station or citadel?
The would go for the destination or target sale market...
This is a factor why unrestricted public trading is more simple. |
Zerinia
Alliance of Free Stars
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Posted - 2015.10.25 18:46:23 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:We've been told there will be private markets, I think there was a hint of public markets too, but it would be very hard to displace current trade hubs due the the inertia they already have. I can see it happening, but it will take an enormous amount of ISK, effort and time by the owner of the Citadel trade hub. A low tax will make it attractive to sellers, but you also need buyers, so you need stock there in the first place. Depending on the mechanics they implement for collecting your stuff after it's blown up could also deter traders from selling there or players in general keeping their stuff there. Zerinia wrote:We have no idea where players will be able to anchor these, afaik. Obviously sov nullsec, but NPC null? Low? High? I really don't think we know enough yet. Everywhere that is at least 600 km from a celestial or structure. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3q3buk/structure_talk_play_by_play/
I meant sec status of system. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2015.10.25 20:11:41 -
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Zerinia wrote:I meant sec status of system.
Yep, everywhere. There will be some limitations on modules and differences in vulnerabilities however.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/citadels-sieges-and-you/
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Xavindo Sirober
The Merchant Marine's
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.25 22:56:26 -
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According to latest info, the main reason that they will be built in highsec will affect trades to move their stuff somewhat to open citadels, or their own, (medium costs around 700M)
They get their own rig that gives somewhat market acces, but the biggest deal that affects highsec is that they have lower taxes then the NPC Tax stations, which opens up a potential higher profit |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.25 23:18:46 -
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If they are not able to be utilized with collateralized courier contracts, I'm not interested.
If they are able to be utilized with couriers, holy **** I can see some scamming potential.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2015.10.25 23:34:26 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If they are not able to be utilized with collateralized courier contracts, I'm not interested.
If they are able to be utilized with couriers, holy **** I can see some scamming potential.
Do not expect to be able to bar people from accessing your Citadel and make a public courier contract to it, the amount of petitions it would generate would dwarf fake API scams.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.25 23:53:29 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If they are not able to be utilized with collateralized courier contracts, I'm not interested.
If they are able to be utilized with couriers, holy **** I can see some scamming potential. Do not expect to be able to bar people from accessing your Citadel and make a public courier contract to it, the amount of petitions it would generate would dwarf fake API scams.
I was thinking more along the lines of moving the Citadel after initiating the contract, or changing the settings on the Citadel's guns, or even self-destructing it.
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Xavindo Sirober
The Merchant Marine's
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.26 00:26:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If they are not able to be utilized with collateralized courier contracts, I'm not interested.
If they are able to be utilized with couriers, holy **** I can see some scamming potential.
contracts wont be happening from citadels for a while, because of complexity with the system so hold your horses on that one |
rogueclone2
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Posted - 2015.10.26 01:16:02 -
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so with citales we get (big maybe's)
new market's
new trade route's
docking fee's (maybe)
citadels standing docks (friendly or foe stuff)
did i miss anything |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5429
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Posted - 2015.10.26 02:27:39 -
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Xavindo Sirober wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If they are not able to be utilized with collateralized courier contracts, I'm not interested.
If they are able to be utilized with couriers, holy **** I can see some scamming potential. contracts wont be happening from citadels for a while, because of complexity with the system so hold your horses on that one
Yeah this is what I expect and it makes them useless to me for their intended purpose.
Even if the taxes can be lower than a hub (big, big if, especially considering my standings in Dodixie), it's better to pay taxes and use haulers that undervalue their time and risk profile, than it is to do hauling myself and have to expend both tome AND however I price the risk.
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Xavindo Sirober
The Merchant Marine's
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.26 02:55:11 -
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yeah ofcourse, its eve ur free to do what you want, the only basic thing i got from it since u can produce aswell from citadels, its going to be cheaper and since u can set taxes urself for some part its also cheaper in buy/sell so, if its freeport it should be somewhat same risk if ur buying from marketbrowser, instead of warping to station its to a citadel. i just wouldn't recommend keeping stuff there in case its gonna blow. which will happen.
and like they said, taxes are lower, so if were station traders it might be lucrative :) |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.26 03:47:24 -
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Xavindo Sirober wrote:yeah ofcourse, its eve ur free to do what you want, the only basic thing i got from it since u can produce aswell from citadels, its going to be cheaper and since u can set taxes urself for some part its also cheaper in buy/sell so, if its freeport it should be somewhat same risk if ur buying from marketbrowser, instead of warping to station its to a citadel. i just wouldn't recommend keeping stuff there in case its gonna blow. which will happen.
and like they said, taxes are lower, so if were station traders it might be lucrative :)
You misunderstand me. Assume someone sets up a market hub in Vylade (1j from Dodixie, highsec).
When I talk about pricing of risk, I'm not comparing the risk I take docking a freighter at Dodixie 9-20 to the risk of docking a freighter at Vylade Citadel 13 - "YOLO LOLCAT TRADEZ HUB". (And yes, I expect stupid names like that).
I'm calculating the cost of losing my freighter between undocking in Jita and docking at Vylade Citadel 13, multiplying it by my best estimate of the probability of that loss happening, valuing the time it takes to perform that hauling, and comparing that sum to the market price for a collateralized contract.
The present market price for the collateralized contract wins every time. Even with a zero risk assessment (not going to happen) my time is worth more than that hauling job costs. Factor in a 1 in 1000 chance of a 4b freighter loss and that's another 4m to add in priced risk.
The economics don't favor using these hubs even if they were to (unexpectedly) be tax free.
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Xavindo Sirober
The Merchant Marine's
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Posted - 2015.10.26 04:08:10 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Xavindo Sirober wrote:yeah ofcourse, its eve ur free to do what you want, the only basic thing i got from it since u can produce aswell from citadels, its going to be cheaper and since u can set taxes urself for some part its also cheaper in buy/sell so, if its freeport it should be somewhat same risk if ur buying from marketbrowser, instead of warping to station its to a citadel. i just wouldn't recommend keeping stuff there in case its gonna blow. which will happen.
and like they said, taxes are lower, so if were station traders it might be lucrative :) You misunderstand me. Assume someone sets up a market hub in Vylade (1j from Dodixie, highsec). When I talk about pricing of risk, I'm not comparing the risk I take docking a freighter at Dodixie 9-20 to the risk of docking a freighter at Vylade Citadel 13 - "YOLO LOLCAT TRADEZ HUB". (And yes, I expect stupid names like that). I'm calculating the cost of losing my freighter between undocking in Jita and docking at Vylade Citadel 13, multiplying it by my best estimate of the probability of that loss happening, valuing the time it takes to perform that hauling, and comparing that sum to the market price for a collateralized contract. The present market price for the collateralized contract wins every time. Even with a zero risk assessment (not going to happen) my time is worth more than that hauling job costs. Factor in a 1 in 1000 chance of a 4b freighter loss and that's another 4m to add in priced risk. The economics don't favor using these hubs even if they were to (unexpectedly) be tax free.
Risk assesement spoken from market browsing it should be the same i presume?
I don't think i understand properly what you mean exactly, but for a good amount of times risk assement factors for contracts in citadels won't happen for atleast a long while (+-year?), so that worry can be postponed (said by devs).
the road towards Dodixie 9-20 should pretty much be same risk as Vylade13 i presume?
They aren't going to be tax free, they said id be lower then NPC, nothing more, but it could also be higher.
There's always that one guy that has stuff at lowest settings and freeport.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.10.26 05:52:35 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:[qchanging the settings on the Citadel's guns
No settings, just you shooting.
No automatic firing.
Woo! CSM X!
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Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
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Posted - 2015.10.26 10:10:15 -
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Spring 2016:
1677 Citadels anchored in Amarr, allowing the owners to put up system wide buyorders to buy stuff in NPC stationhub (sellers are lazy and won't move it to your citadel) while not paying the NPC tax/fee. Same for Rens, Hek, Dodixie and maybe even Jita (but I expect Jita to stay "no structures allowed!" zone).
Docking fees would allow sellers to sell a Stabber for 1 Mio ISK while having docking fees around 50 Mio ISK. Nice profits to be made from those closing pop up warnings without reading them...
On the other hand - ranged buyorders might be a logistic pain in the slot 79 if you have to collect your stuff from 2395 citadels within your buyorder range. Calculating average buy price would be a nightmare if you have to take different (and maybe daily changing) docking fees and customized taxes into account.
You can't fetch public POCO taxes using the API... let's hope CCP will deliver all those taxes, fees and stuff of every public available citadel via API.
Can't wait to scroll through thousands of sellorders to find the cheapest items labeled "station" betweet all those "system" labels.
Sure, merc corps will scream in joy with all those new targets available, let's hope they can keep their motivation to destroy every "tradefee reduction citadel"
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2015.10.26 12:07:35 -
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As someone watching the EVE vegas stream, I wondered the same thing.
I expect a lot of trade happening in High Sec to go the usual way. Besides that I assume Jita, hubs and Rooky systems will be excluded as Citadel locations. Some bigger high sec entities will have some private holdings due to price fixing for their own members. I could see a CODE private hub in Uadema for example.
However, I wonder how the public record will be compared to the current information of public record. Atm all non "direct trade" movements are public records. Contracts and the Crest API give an almost perfect market portal into any market.
When private markets start to sell products on base costs and maybe even lower, all kind of shifts can happen. People cannot simply "buyout and relist" whole regions any longer. Mass manipulation can be ignored by everyone that has access to private markets. Also, private entities can shift goods from the private market in a whim. Market fluctuation will smooth out a lot for a lot of products.
For Low Sec and Null Sec this will be even worse. All large entities will have private listings. Public listings will diminish a lot. Also all public information of this listings will disappear from Crest. EVE central will simply no longer have all information. To enter the PVP market, traders will have to cut in a part into their formula's which will include these new market risks:
- the total market volume per X time will no longer be known
- the market volume in orders will no longer be known
- the EVE avarage price will be heavily out of date
- tracking of big volume sales in the market can't be traced by alerts any longer (based on crest)
- big industrial groups will have private "free" markets to dump on, all non producers will have no access or view on this activity.
WH entities will have a less dependant on roles relating to corp hanger arrays. People now can have all stock on a private listing with access to everyone in their blue donut. Availability will go up a lot to members who can access the hubs and risks for corp theft will go down. The biggest risk is destroyed market hubs in WH space, due to the fact that markets in WHs will not have a recovery structure after destruction.
And herein I totally forgot the hauling as stated by "Gadolf Agalder". All private hubs that will have access rights for haulers will be an issue. People still can camp based on scam contracts. Also, haulers will have to acquire bleu status / private access rights to these citadels. It will be a big challenge to iron out.
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2015.10.26 12:13:16 -
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rogueclone2 wrote:so with citales we get (big maybe's)
new market's
new trade route's
docking fee's (maybe)
citadels standing docks (friendly or foe stuff)
did i miss anything
Yes, see above, capsuleers will get a much less perfect information position on the whole of the EVE market.
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
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rogueclone2
MANDALORIAN MOTORS
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Posted - 2015.10.26 19:30:07 -
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seeing alot of what if 's. |
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