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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 20:35:49
Defiler suggested this a bit back in this thread, so I figured I'd work with him to see if I could get this to work. The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup compared to how hard I thought it would be.
Why?
The cache folder gets filled with tons of small files such as portraits which easily get fragmented all over the place. This can drastically slow down EVE's performance, not in terms of FPS, but in terms of stuttering and loading times. In addition, hard drives are naturally slow at loading tons of small files, so there is an automatic speed increase regardless of fragmentation issues.
Why would it be hard?
There are almost no free RAMdrives, and even the pay ones can be hard to set up. In addition, Windows doesn't support symlinks, a critical component of most other operating systems, which would be used to link the "cache" folder in EVE's folder to the RAMdrive. Both of these problems were solved... so read on.
System Requirements:
- 64MB of extra RAM that you are not using (I do not recommend this RAMdrive on systems with less than 512MB of memory).
- Windows XP, 2000, or Server 2003. If you have Linux, this is probably a lot easier, sadly, but the guide doesn't cover it. This guide also won't work for Windows 98, but neither does EVE.
- EVE on a drive formatted with NTFS. This is the default with Windows XP, but if you're using FAT32 this will not work. There are workarounds but you have to find them yourself.
Disadvantages:
- If your cache goes above 64MB, it will no longer work. This is not a problem, as in 64MB you can fit a good few thousand portraits. If it really does get too large, feel free to delete some pictures.
- You must run a batch file before starting EVE (to load the data into the RAMdisk), and another after (to save the data to disk).
Steps:
Note: This will take you roughly ten to fifteen minutes, so set some time aside to do it. If you want to "undo" what you do here, simply disable the RAMdrive in the device manager and remove the link created in the EVE folder. You can also, of course, uninstall the NTFS Link utility.
- Download this free RAMdrive driver and run it, extracting the data files to a temporary folder.
- Go to Control Panel/Add Hardware.
- Choose "Yes, I have already connected the hardware."
- Scroll down the list and choose "add a new hardware device."
- Choose "Install the hardware that I manually select from a list."
- Choose "Show all devices."
- Click "Have Disk" and choose the Inf file in the temporary folder from step 1.
- Right click on My Computer, go to Hardware, go to Device Manager, and find the RAMdrive you just installed. Click the plus to see the driver itself in the category, and right click on it and select properties.
- Select the disk size as "67108864" from the list and select S: as the drive letter (as that is what is used in the batch files).
- Apply the settings.
- Install the NTFS Link program.
- Reboot.
- Rename your cache folder in the EVE folder "cache2".
- Create a "cache" folder in the newly created S: RAMdrive. Right-click drag it to the inside of the EVE folder, and select "create junction here."
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 20:28:43
To run EVE, simply run the startup batch file, then run EVE. Once you're done, run the shutdown batch file to save the cache on the hard disk. Note that if your computer crashes or the like, your old cache from the last time you ran the shutdown script is still saved.
The startup batch file (save as startup.bat). Note how it nicely removed Machonet for you so that you don't have to:
Quote:
i: (DRIVE LETTER GOES HERE) cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd ccp (CD TO THE CORRECT PATH) cd eve rmdir /s /q s:\cache xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache2 s:\cache s: cd .. cd .. cd .. cd cache rmdir /s /q machonet c:
Note that you MUST replace the first part of the script with an appropriate drive letter and commands to CD to the path where your EVE folder is. My EVE folder is in I:/CCP/EVE.
The shutdown batch file (save as shutdown.bat):
Quote:
i: (DRIVE LETTER GOES HERE) cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd ccp (PATH GOES HERE!) cd eve rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd .. cd .. cd .. xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache i:\ccp\eve\cache2 (PATH GOES HERE AGAIN!) rmdir /s /q cache c:
Same catch as above.
It might not be easy, but at least it works: I'm running EVE on it now.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 20:48:25
Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 30/12/2006 20:45:41
"In addition, Windows doesn't support symlinks, a critical component of most other operating systems, which would be used to link the "cache" folder in EVE's folder to the RAMdrive."
Windows' NTFS supports "junction points" which for this particular purpose are the same thing -- a hard link which makes program trying to write in such linked directory to write in target folder, instead.
linkD.exe included with Windows Server Resource Kit can be used to form these links... as can be number of utilities listed on the bottom of wikipedia page dealing with this subject.
Well if you read the post, what I meant is that it didn't come with support for them by default, which is why I linked to a program that added such support 
Fixed for clarity.
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Posted - 2006.12.30 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 30/12/2006 21:05:37
Originally by: j0sephine
anyway, this is alternative free ram disk. It's based on the same sample source code from microsoft, but doesn't have the artificial 64 mb limitation and doesn't try to make people shell out money for "full" version ;s
Uh no, that's the exact same RAMdisk.
The INF file even lists the exact same developer as the one I linked to, and the .SYS file lists the exact same author.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
Do we run shutdown.bat before we're about to close eve or after eve is already shut down?
After EVE is shut down, before you shut down your computer.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn Guess who nuked his prefs.ini and settings folder.
BACK IT UP FIRST!!! 
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Posted - 2006.12.31 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni I have to acquire bulk data for ages everytime i boot EVE now, so if anythign I'm seeing worse performance, at least trying to log in.
Meh, you're right. I've removed that from the batch file.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus s: cd .. cd .. cd .. xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H cache C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache2
I don't know what's wrong here, but this just doesn't work.
I even modified the program to make a "cache2" folder, but nothing get's copied. S:\ is my drive, and that's the address of where the cache should be, but it doesn't work.
Try doing it in the command line manually to see what's going wrong.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Miranda Duvall I'll assume all this doesn't breach the EULA (you dont change eve, you change the hardware under it), but maybe a GM could confirm this is legal?
Its perfectly fine.
All you're doing is symlinking the cache to a different folder.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/12/2006 13:56:57
Originally by: Kaar I read the other thread too and was going to try this, but then I questioned what, if any, benefit moving the cache to ram would give.
Open up task manager during your normal eve play and see how much has been write/read to your hard drive, for me it was never more than a few hundred mb over hours of having the client running and I'll bet the majority of that was loaded during login.
I decided it didnt warrant all this fussing around for such a minimal gain and risk of running out of cache space when you most need it. Has anyone even tested this during a fleet/pos fight?
Before anyone tries this I suggest you defrag your cache folder and see if that solves any of your problems.
1. Hard disks are very slow at loading tons of small files. NTFS is particularly bad--if Windows ran on an optimized file system such as ReiserFS, this would not be as much of a problem.
2. Even if you defragment your cache, it'll be fragmented again within a day or two due to the data going in and out of it.
I noticed a very marked difference with the cache in RAM.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Miranda Duvall I tried this now, and did indeed notice quite an improvement. I must admit I also cleared my cache first..
There is however a however :)
I see "access denied" errors when running the batch file, and i when I quit eve, and unpaused the batchfile, both my cache folders were empty 
Good thing I didn't back up my cache folder, otherwise i'd still have my settings...
I'll try to edit the batchfile some more...
I'll be back!
Access denied probably means the batch file is trying to delete the cache while EVE is running.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rakeris I was wanting to try to put mu whole eve folder on it, but I'm around 100MB short. So I was wondering, what folders do you think would be most beneficial if I where to put them on the RAMDisk?
Well you could put individual STUFF files on a RAMdisk by using the rightclick-drag-create hardlink feature of NTFS Link. I'd pick the ones that you access most during gameplay--i.e. not the tutorial one, not the COSMOS one, etc.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rantor
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The result seemed pretty damn effective and rather easy to setup.
If we put cache to RAM drive and it makes game faster, well... hm... isn't that a flashing point to CCP devs that they really should have changed something in their cache architecture already?
Not really, I think.
CCP could quite easily implement such a thing as a feature in EVE, but it would drastically raise RAM usage, which would hurt those who don't have tons of extra RAM.
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Posted - 2006.12.31 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gor Kraon Those batch files do work, assuming you get used to using them. (And don't lose power randomly.) What about a solution without having to use them at all?
Like this. It is free, restores the drive at power up, saves at intervals and/or shutdown, all kinds of settings... Seems really handy.
That's actually really cool. I like that.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Bumping to confirm awesomeness. However :
Quote: This is my shutdown.bat c: cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd .. cd program files\CCP\EVE rmdir /s /q cache2 s: cd \ xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H s:\cache c:\program files\CCP\EVE\cache2 rmdir /s /q cache c:
This does not copy the contents of my RAMDisk to the cache2 folder after deleting it.
The problem was that you need to put quotes around the directory address, AFAIK.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar Edited by: Kaar on 01/01/2007 01:37:46 I found another ramdisk program that lets you set much larger drives and seems to be free
Linkeh
It's really basic but still works with DS's instructions. Size and drive letter can be set in device manager (it's listed as a "RAM Disk").
edit: actually i think its already been posted... they all have the same bloody name 
Shareware = not free, unfortunately.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Teluy Guys, why don't you leave the caching to the application? Or to the filesystem? Heavily accessed files usually are kept dynamically in filesystem cache anyway and I guess eve itself keeps a lot of stuff in the cache as well (textures, etc.). So I guess you are ending up having a lot of things twice in the memory - that's no problem for people with a lot of memory, but might actually worse the problem for the ones with < 1GB ram.
Just my two cents.
Because the filesystem cache is of a limited size and you can't control it. The filesystem cache will end up being filled with the STUFF files from EVE's data and a little bit of the cache folder, not all of it.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Mongo Smith
Originally by: doctorstupid2 Quite possibly a stupid question (hopefully the irony in that is not lost on anyone)
When creating the junction to S:\cache, windows automatically names it "Link to cache," does it need to be renamed to just "cache?"
Yes.
If that was mentioned anywhere in this thread previous, I do apologize. Dark Shikari, add that little piece of trivia to step 14 if you could 
Done.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin I've got it all running, except when EVE runs, it gets to "Acquiring Bulk Data" and seems to hang, while drawing in processor cycles. Anyone know why?
That's because you deleted Machonet, which EVE will have to reload. Try to make sure in the future to not delete it unless you're having trouble with EVE (in which case its a good idea).
It'll take the client 20 to 60 seconds to do this, usually. Its a one-time thing.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: chrisreeves Is it possible to link in the main post to any other of the free ramdrive proggy's that are mentioned in this thread?
Can you point me to one in particular that can do more than 64MB?
By the way, the evaluation version on the website I originally linked to has a "nag" that can be really easily disabled by going to control panel/start menu and taskbar/customize 
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Abbadon Just thought I would post a further update after playing with this for a couple of days now:
I've used this ramdrive (32 and 64bit versions available) Linkage
Its not free but I think its worth the cashola.
Ive created 3 ramdrives and have mounted CACHE, CAPTURE and BIN directories.
Ive used the batch files/tools supplied in this thread (thanks all)
Result: Ive noticed a marked improvement with any session changes (instant screen load), and no lag whatsoever when in combat and there are 100 combat msgs per second popping on screen.
FYI: System spec, AMD 64 x 2 4800, 2Gig ram, 2 x 7900gtx @ 1920x1200 max quality in driver)
Going off on this tangent, on the website I originally linked to there is a link to an "evaluation version." Its unlimited, with the catch that the program will nag you by throwing fake "fatal error" exceptions when using the RAMdrive. However, this can easily be eliminated--control panel/taskbar/customize and then "Always Hide" the fatal error, and it will never show again!
I installed the Pro version and set it to 128MB, and mounted every single EVE directory in it (that is, cache, capture, bin, logs, etc) and set the batch files appropriate ly. Speed? Even better 
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Abbadon Yeah DS, I had a play with the Enterprise version but found that mountvol wouldn't recognise the ramdrive volumes.
The ntfs link prog obviously fixes that but iirc is still limited to one ramdrive only?
As far as I know you can install as many instances of the program as you want. But why would you need multiple RAMdrives?
You can put all the folders on one RAMdrive anyways, so multiple RAMdrives is silly.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Abbadon Well, the reason I use multiple ram drives is purely from playing around.
I wanted to try one folder at a time to see if there was any noticable difference.
Ive ordered another 2Gig of ram and am planning on putting whole Eve install in ramdrive and i have read that creating 2Gb ramdrives can be problematic so i may have to stick with 2-3 smaller ones 
You can't create multiple smaller ones, as hardlinks do not work between drives, so you cannot link EVE to use another drive's STUFF files.
However, there are many RAMDrive programs available that support sizes up to 64GB.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus DS, it seems that I can't get bin to run when on the RamDISK, currently running...
cache capture lib logs res script
I also use a variation of your batch file, especially for the capture folder.
Clear out your capture folder and rename it to capture.org and have that copy to the RamDISK, but on shutdown copy it's contents to capture.auto, so you keep a record of everything you capture, but you don't end up cluttering the RamDISK with files that don't really need to be there.
Yup, I did that.
I also made the logs folder delete on every shutdown, along with the gamelogs folder 
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gor Kraon As i mentioned before, i like my portrait collection, but it is keeping me from using the RAMdrive for the whole cache folder... Would there be a way to delete all the x_256 portraits but keep the x_64?
I think you can use * as a wildcard in the copy command to do that.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zurtur Didnt read the whole thread so sry if these question have already been asked.
My cache folder is 152mb with around 15,000 files! MachoNet is 80mb, and Pictures>Gids is another 30mb. What is MachoNet resposible for and what are gids? Can I delete those 2 folders to actually put my cache to ramdrive? Ofc they wouldnt be deleted everytime, only once. This is probably because my EvE client is like a year old, just copyed over from windows to windows and from PC to PC...
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You should clear out your cache regularly (every few months). Gids is character portraits, item images, and the like--you can leave that. Try just deleting machonet. It will have to reload the first time you run EVE, but it won't get remotely near 80MB.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gor Kraon Any free working ram drives that can be set to 128MB? I need at least that much for portraits and the rest of EVE.
The evaluation version on the original site can be used... its unlimited time and the "nag" can be very easily disabled with a quick trip into the Control Panel/Taskbar Settings/Customize.
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Posted - 2007.01.21 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/01/2007 01:10:58
Originally by: Koum Lesaintier has anyone used this method while running two acounts from a single client install? does this affect anything in this method?
I use the same client ( simply re-run it)for two seprate accounts not wanting to have a double install on my HD...
also, it seems this pushes the combined settings folder ( 2 acounts ..6 characters 0 to over 300MBS so thi smight present a problem as from what i read there are no ( free) RAM disk programs over 256 MB, right?
Multiple characters doesn't increase the cache folder size much. Just delete some of your pictures in the portraits folder or the like to decrease the size.
It should work fine if you're running off only one client.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sir JoJo tbh i am clueless to all this.. but the part of dropping my entire eve folder on to a ramdisk sounds like a option , but how much easier is that?
and yes i have no clue on **** like this
I haven't found a Windows RAMdisk driver that lets me create a RAMdisk above 96MB; they all crash above that point. There must be one, but I can't find it, or maybe my computer sucks.
My recommendation for a RAMdisk of that size is to use one of the SATA ramdisks; that is, a card that plugs into your computer like a hard disk but holds memory, and uses a backup battery to ensure that the data doesn't die when your computer does. Its like a hundred bucks for a card, and effectively gives you a 4 gigabyte "hard drive" with almost instant data transfer speed.
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Posted - 2007.02.20 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sir JoJo This is probaly me doing something wrong.
First do i have to create that Batcht file one the ramdisk? because if i do it in my eve folder i just get an entire cachefolder more in my eve folder.
i did try and make a bacth file in the ramdisk and it worked somehow .. it actually did copy my cache to the ram disk but all settings arent as they used to be, well tbh its like a completly new installed client. hpw do i change that`? i havent deleted my setting and have backups but i thought it should copy them whit the rest of the cache.
@echo off REM edit line below with your full eve path(no trailing \) set EVEPATH=C:\Programmer\CCP\EVE
REM edit line below with your full ramdisk cache folder path (no trailing \) set RAMPATH=S:\cache
@echo copying files, Please wait xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H "%EVEPATH%\cache2" %RAMPATH% @echo files copied "%EVEPATH%\eve.exe" cls @echo (only press when you shutdown eve) pause rmdir /s /q "%EVEPATH%\cache2" xcopy /C /I /D /K /R /E /H %RAMPATH% "%EVEPATH%\cache2\" rmdir /s /q %RAMPATH% mkdir %RAMPATH% exit
This is the Batch i used.
and do i have to use that batchfile every time i load eve or just the one?
yes i am a nooob at this.
It sounds like you're not setting your paths properly. The batch files should work exactly the same regardless of where you put them, because they should be completely path-independant.
Originally by: Lungorthin
Originally by: Sha'Uri Dark [...] when I right-click the Cache folder on the ram drive and try to create a link to the Eve install I get:
Failed to create junction. Most likely the target file system does not support this function.
[...]
I get exactly the same error messages. Have you found a solution? or does anyone know what could be the problem?
System: Win2000 and all drives having NTFS
Tech-Help please
You need to make the RAMdrive be NTFS.
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Posted - 2007.03.10 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fredou question:
ntfs compressed or not?
Compressing the RAMdrive will help you store more, but one problem is that the compression is done after the fact; that is, if you have 80MB of files and you copy them onto a 64MB RAMdrive, it will not have finished compressing them by the time its done, so it won't finish copying the files; only some will be copied.
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