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Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire Great Blue Balls of Fire 663	Posted - 2015.10.26 22:06:37 - [1] - Quote Tument joined Blue-Fire a couple weeks ago. He's been very inactive but he seemed like a very casual player. There was only a couple times I remember him logging in. Once he logged in drunk complaining that there wasn't any content. We told him to go out hunting and make content if he's bored. Gave him systems to go to and try and find something. This dude doesn't know how to scout. Doesn't know how to go out and find fights. He soon logged off after that without even undocking. We were ready to kick him after that. I honestly thought he was just going to quit corp and leave or stop playing eve. So we left him simmer for a bit since he hadn't been corp for long wanted to really see what he was like as a player. Awhile later he logged in while we were in a fight and joined in. I figured he'd be useful as another warm body to corp, not everyone can be content creators. Funny enough we were actually just talking about Tument last night since he was logged in but not on comms. We logged off to go to sleep and woke up today to find out he stole our communal corp hangers estimated at about 3b and dropped corp. Not sure why you'd burn yourself for 3b when plex is 1.2b but I guess thats a lot of isk when you login bi-monthly Known Alts: Har Har tl;dr If you wanna know why you'd burn a character for 3b ask Tument Blue-Fire Best Fire
Paranoid Loyd 7293	Posted - 2015.10.26 22:10:49 - [2] - Quote Nitshe strikes again! "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 2197	Posted - 2015.10.26 22:15:39 - [3] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Nitshe strikes again! Indeed but who is Nitshe in this case? It looks as though case 00014 will be starting soon Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3979	Posted - 2015.10.26 23:09:27 - [4] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Tument joined Blue-Fire a couple weeks ago. He's been very inactive but he seemed like a very casual player. There was only a couple times I remember him logging in. Once he logged in drunk complaining that there wasn't any content. We told him to go out hunting and make content if he's bored. Gave him systems to go to and try and find something. This dude doesn't know how to scout. Doesn't know how to go out and find fights. He soon logged off after that without even undocking. We were ready to kick him after that. I honestly thought he was just going to quit corp and leave or stop playing eve. So we left him simmer for a bit since he hadn't been corp for long wanted to really see what he was like as a player. Awhile later he logged in while we were in a fight and joined in. I figured he'd be useful as another warm body to corp, not everyone can be content creators. Funny enough we were actually just talking about Tument last night since he was logged in but not on comms. We logged off to go to sleep and woke up today to find out he stole our communal corp hangers estimated at about 3b and dropped corp. Not sure why you'd burn yourself for 3b when plex is 1.2b but I guess thats a lot of isk when you login bi-monthly Known Alts: Har Har tl;dr If you wanna know why you'd burn a character for 3b ask Tument This sounds fishy to me. Maybe posting here was your last part of the master plan to steal assets from your corpies? This is how I see it: You recruit this new guy. He isnt active, so you talk him down in front of everyone. Say he doesnt know content, scouting, etc. Get them to dislike the dude. Then.. you wait until a good time.. preferably a time where he is logged in, but maybe not in comms. Then you wait until everyone sleeps to strike. A good target? Maybe the stuff in the community hanger. Yeah. That will do nicely. All thats left is to message the guy, tell him its not working out, and request he leave corp so you dont have to put him in stasis, but thanks for his interest blah blah. Next its on to the C&P forums to solidify your case to your corpmates. "Dont worry, ill put the word out", you say, smirking. "I cant belive he would burn himself for a measly few billion!", you laugh. But you didnt count on The Inquisition. I move the court places "Aquila Sagitta" on the list of possible Nitshe alts. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 812	Posted - 2015.10.26 23:25:40 - [5] - Quote Hi Nitshe. WB.
Peter Guillam Duckeye's Temporary Corporation 1	Posted - 2015.10.26 23:40:26 - [6] - Quote Hey OP, tread carefully around these parts, the sharks can already smell the blood in the water. Oh and by the way, when someone doesn't consider a specific amount of money really all that much, they don't make threads about losing it.
Paranoid Loyd 7301	Posted - 2015.10.26 23:45:42 - [7] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Nitshe strikes again! Indeed but who is Nitshe in this case? It looks as though case 00014 will be starting soon Pfft, I can't be bothered with those kinds of details, I'm too busy burning the heretics at the stake! Long live the Inquisition! "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Raiz Nhell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 437	Posted - 2015.10.26 23:51:07 - [8] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: snip... find out he stole our communal corp hangers estimated at about 3b... /snip The hangers were communal... no theft has occurred... I fail to see why you should besmirch the good name of this capsuleer when he has merely utilised the tools at his disposal... I believe that Aquila Sagitta is at best a corp thief himself and was storing ill gotten gains in the "communal hangers" to launder them... or at worst a Nitshe alt, further spreading his web through New Eden... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3980	Posted - 2015.10.26 23:56:43 - [9] - Quote Long live the Inquisition! Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3981	Posted - 2015.10.27 00:48:49 - [10] - Quote Wait... OP... what in the **** is your signature block? That may be the most god awful thing I have ever seen. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness 1168	Posted - 2015.10.27 01:06:28 - [11] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Long live the Inquisition! I hope you have a Spanish background, or at least eat some Spanish food.
Saeger1737 Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness 1168	Posted - 2015.10.27 01:07:56 - [12] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Wait... OP... what in the **** is your signature block? That may be the most god awful thing I have ever seen. All male orgy
Paranoid Loyd 7303	Posted - 2015.10.27 01:44:28 - [13] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Wait... OP... what in the **** is your signature block? That may be the most god awful thing I have ever seen. Damnit Leto! Can not unsee. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 643	Posted - 2015.10.27 01:48:21 - [14] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: he stole our communal corp hangers communal corp hangers communal wtf fake-edit: not sure what the greater offence is here: calling dipping into the communal assets theft; or mis-spelling "hanger." fake-fake-edit: it's mis-spelling "hanger" fyi.
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3987	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:50:56 - [15] - Quote Saeger1737 wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Long live the Inquisition! I hope you have a Spanish background, or at least eat some Spanish food. Spanish I am not, but seriously who doesn't love some authentic Spanish food? Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Raiz Nhell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 437	Posted - 2015.10.27 02:58:46 - [16] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Long live the Inquisition! I hope you have a Spanish background, or at least eat some Spanish food. Spanish I am not, but seriously who doesn't love some authentic Spanish food? Hijack!!! Who doesn't love a good lunchtime Paella followed by a churros... Then falling asleep with a half finished ice cold sangria in hand... I do like a nice sangria in the afternoon... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Carrie-Anne Moss The Scope Gallente Federation 500	Posted - 2015.10.27 04:55:55 - [17] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Saeger1737 wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Long live the Inquisition! I hope you have a Spanish background, or at least eat some Spanish food. Spanish I am not, but seriously who doesn't love some authentic Spanish food? Hijack!!! Who doesn't love a good lunchtime Paella followed by a churros... Then falling asleep with a half finished ice cold sangria in hand... I do like a nice sangria in the afternoon... English is the USAs official language. Also if you want to speak your barbaric tounge, tgere are specialized forums fod you to do so at
Thermal Damage Refit For Thermal Overheat. 88	Posted - 2015.10.27 09:00:07 - [18] - Quote I've burned toons for less than 3bil. Quite often it isn't about the ISK. Just having people like you come crying publicly on the forums is enough. 3bil has stung you, otherwise you wouldn't have made this post pretending like its no big deal. You got done. -#heatfleet
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25527	Posted - 2015.10.27 09:51:16 - [19] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: English is the USAs official language. This isn't the USA . While English may be the de facto language, as far as I know the US doesn't have a legally mandated official language, something to do with violating the 1st amendment. On a side note if it did, the language would be American English, not English. Quote: Also if you want to speak your barbaric tounge, tgere are specialized forums fod you to do so at You should use them then, because 90% of what you post doesn't resemble English. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 817	Posted - 2015.10.27 10:11:40 - [20] - Quote I ate a guinea pig once. That's kinda Spanish. It was nice, and I feel much better having admitted it publically.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25528	Posted - 2015.10.27 10:26:00 - [21] - Quote Mortlake wrote: I ate a guinea pig once. That's kinda Spanish. It was nice, and I feel much better having admitted it publically. Did it taste like chicken? Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 819	Posted - 2015.10.27 10:33:34 - [22] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Mortlake wrote: I ate a guinea pig once. That's kinda Spanish. It was nice, and I feel much better having admitted it publically. Did it taste like chicken? It actually did.
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 2201	Posted - 2015.10.27 10:33:38 - [23] - Quote Mortlake wrote: I ate a guinea pig once. That's kinda Spanish. It was nice, and I feel much better having admitted it publically. God dammit Mort it's been so long since I read a proper Mort post I forgot the rule upon seeing yoru avatar. The result is my nose hurts and I just finished wiping off my screens and changed my shirt... PS Soft drink is anything but when it comes out your nose Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire Great Blue Balls of Fire 663	Posted - 2015.10.27 10:34:45 - [24] - Quote Eve-O Forums are cancer Blue-Fire Best Fire
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25528	Posted - 2015.10.27 10:36:30 - [25] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Eve-O Forums are cancer The image in your signature gave me cancer. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Nerapa The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 53	Posted - 2015.10.27 10:52:52 - [26] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Tument joined Blue-Fire a couple weeks ago. He's been very inactive but he seemed like a very casual player. There was only a couple times I remember him logging in. Once he logged in drunk complaining that there wasn't any content. We told him to go out hunting and make content if he's bored. Gave him systems to go to and try and find something. This dude doesn't know how to scout. Doesn't know how to go out and find fights. He soon logged off after that without even undocking. We were ready to kick him after that. I honestly thought he was just going to quit corp and leave or stop playing eve. So we left him simmer for a bit since he hadn't been corp for long wanted to really see what he was like as a player. Awhile later he logged in while we were in a fight and joined in. I figured he'd be useful as another warm body to corp, not everyone can be content creators. Funny enough we were actually just talking about Tument last night since he was logged in but not on comms. We logged off to go to sleep and woke up today to find out he stole our *communal* corp hangers estimated at about 3b and dropped corp. Not sure why you'd burn yourself for 3b when plex is 1.2b but I guess thats a lot of isk when you login bi-monthly Known Alts: Har Har tl;dr If you wanna know why you'd burn a character for 3b ask Tument Right there.....is the sole reason why this isn't left. I believe the greatest example of this being the fable of two buddies and the fridge Buddy one invites buddy two over to watch the game. Buddy one says help yourself to some beer in the fridge Buddy two obliges, Buddy one however is horrified later, to find that buddy two had helped himself to some items that buddy one felt he had no right to do so. Buddy two explained "You said help yourself, so I did." What buddy one should have done is "Hey man, Help yourself to the fridge. But don't take this X beer. you can only have X beer" Ground rules were laid. You my good sir, By having a communal hangar have indeed put a big sign saying "Help yourself to my fridge" TDSIN Jnr. Recruiter
Aoife Fraoch Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 206	Posted - 2015.10.27 11:09:07 - [27] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Tument joined Blue-Fire a couple weeks ago. He's been very inactive but he seemed like a very casual player. There was only a couple times I remember him logging in. Once he logged in drunk complaining that there wasn't any content. We told him to go out hunting and make content if he's bored. Gave him systems to go to and try and find something. This dude doesn't know how to scout. Doesn't know how to go out and find fights. He soon logged off after that without even undocking. We were ready to kick him after that. I honestly thought he was just going to quit corp and leave or stop playing eve. So we left him simmer for a bit since he hadn't been corp for long wanted to really see what he was like as a player. Awhile later he logged in while we were in a fight and joined in. I figured he'd be useful as another warm body to corp, not everyone can be content creators. Funny enough we were actually just talking about Tument last night since he was logged in but not on comms. We logged off to go to sleep and woke up today to find out he stole our communal corp hangers estimated at about 3b and dropped corp. Not sure why you'd burn yourself for 3b when plex is 1.2b but I guess thats a lot of isk when you login bi-monthly Known Alts: Har Har tl;dr If you wanna know why you'd burn a character for 3b ask Tument And yet here you are. Turns out he was a content creator after all...
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 2202	Posted - 2015.10.27 11:15:19 - [28] - Quote Aoife Fraoch wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Tument joined Blue-Fire a couple weeks ago. He's been very inactive but he seemed like a very casual player. There was only a couple times I remember him logging in. Once he logged in drunk complaining that there wasn't any content. We told him to go out hunting and make content if he's bored. Gave him systems to go to and try and find something. This dude doesn't know how to scout. Doesn't know how to go out and find fights. He soon logged off after that without even undocking. We were ready to kick him after that. I honestly thought he was just going to quit corp and leave or stop playing eve. So we left him simmer for a bit since he hadn't been corp for long wanted to really see what he was like as a player. Awhile later he logged in while we were in a fight and joined in. I figured he'd be useful as another warm body to corp, not everyone can be content creators. Funny enough we were actually just talking about Tument last night since he was logged in but not on comms. We logged off to go to sleep and woke up today to find out he stole our communal corp hangers estimated at about 3b and dropped corp. Not sure why you'd burn yourself for 3b when plex is 1.2b but I guess thats a lot of isk when you login bi-monthly Known Alts: Har Har tl;dr If you wanna know why you'd burn a character for 3b ask Tument And yet here you are. Turns out he was a content creator after all... This Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3993	Posted - 2015.10.27 12:26:17 - [29] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: English is the USAs official language. This isn't the USA . While English may be the de facto language, as far as I know the US doesn't have a legally mandated official language, something to do with violating the 1st amendment. On a side note, if it did, the language would be American English, not English. Quote: Also if you want to speak your barbaric tounge, tgere are specialized forums fod you to do so at You should use them then, because 90% of what you post doesn't resemble English. A note on languages... I always felt rather ignorant at the fact that people in every country I go know English... And I know.... English. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3993	Posted - 2015.10.27 12:29:13 - [30] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Eve-O Forums are cancer The image in your signature gave me cancer. Seriously. What kinda ****** up Nitshe alt are you? DIA(B)F. Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25532	Posted - 2015.10.27 12:35:16 - [31] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: A note on languages... I always felt rather ignorant at the fact that people in every country I go know English... And I know.... English. I always make an attempt to speak the local lingo, most people appreciate the effort no matter how badly you mangle it. I've found that if you can say hello, goodbye, count a little, order beer, coffee and food it's often enough to get by because most people (in Europe at least) like to practice their English on you. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 645	Posted - 2015.10.27 14:35:58 - [32] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Leto Thule wrote: A note on languages... I always felt rather ignorant at the fact that people in every country I go know English... And I know.... English. I always make an attempt to speak the local lingo, most people appreciate the effort no matter how badly you mangle it. I've found that if you can say hello, goodbye, count a little, order beer, coffee and food it's often enough to get by because most people (in Europe at least) like to practice their English on you. Plus most of us are kind enough to say: "Hey, appreciate the effort but now would you like to actually get your point across?"
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8901	Posted - 2015.10.27 18:24:09 - [33] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Not sure why you'd burn yourself for 3b when plex is 1.2b but I guess thats a lot of isk when you login bi-monthly Surely you must be joking? Are you seriously suggesting that by defrauding the great and mighty Great Blue Balls of Fire corporation, this guy has completely trashed his EVE career by alerting future marks? I think he'll do just fine in the future - because barleyjacks like you only deign to post on See and Pee when someone steals your life's possessions (read: a couple of pennies and an Ibis BPO), and don't include it as a compulsory daily read. Way to provide proof of this "theft", barleyjack. ...Barleyjack. [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Cidanel Afuran Static-Noise Upholders 347	Posted - 2015.10.27 18:51:38 - [34] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I always make an attempt to speak the local lingo, most people appreciate the effort no matter how badly you mangle it. I've found that if you can say hello, goodbye, count a little, order beer, coffee and food it's often enough to get by because most people (in Europe at least) like to practice their English on you. From an American who only knows English fluently, I always teach myself a few phrases in the native language of whatever country I'm visiting. Even if they are fluent in English, I'm treated with a lot more respect for trying to use their language/respect local customs/etc.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Black Hydra Consortium. 2051	Posted - 2015.10.27 18:54:42 - [35] - Quote So, anyone want to tell me whats in that signature so that I don't have to burn my eyeballs out? Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Ginger Yume Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno 10	Posted - 2015.10.27 20:22:25 - [36] - Quote It's like people who start these threads don't read similar threads and realize how they turn out.
Noragen Neirfallas Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 2207	Posted - 2015.10.27 20:50:59 - [37] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: So, anyone want to tell me whats in that signature so that I don't have to burn my eyeballs out? Birds and bees. Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
Paranoid Loyd 7314	Posted - 2015.10.27 20:54:05 - [38] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: So, anyone want to tell me whats in that signature so that I don't have to burn my eyeballs out? Birds and bees. of the Adam and Steve variety "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 3996	Posted - 2015.10.27 21:19:27 - [39] - Quote Ginger Yume wrote: It's like people who start these threads don't read similar threads and realize how they turn out. Right? Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1054	Posted - 2015.10.28 20:41:48 - [40] - Quote I have to thank the OP for posting. Now I know not everything has changed should RL allow me to login again. Remove insurance.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8906	Posted - 2015.10.28 21:23:26 - [41] - Quote Barleyjacks, the lot of you [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 648	Posted - 2015.10.29 00:00:24 - [42] - Quote I was gonna look up "barleyjack" but decided to watch a video of Talk Talk's "Such a Shame" 1986 Montreux performance instead. Time well spent.
Leto Thule Everywhere and Terrible 4009	Posted - 2015.10.29 00:03:18 - [43] - Quote Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: I was gonna look up "barleyjack" but decided to watch a video of Talk Talk's "Such a Shame" 1986 Montreux performance instead. Time well spent. I was also going to do this, but instead ended up watching "virtual insanity" by jamiroqui. It is still terrible. What is barleyjack anyhow? Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Moon Moon Burdy Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 107	Posted - 2015.10.29 00:09:12 - [44] - Quote Apparently it's people from Ogdenville... seemed much more scathing and condemning before I googled it. Things that went boom Storytime with Moon Moon New stories (almost) daily! Promising Young Murderer, Education Appreciated.
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 838	Posted - 2015.10.29 00:29:28 - [45] - Quote Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: I was gonna look up "barleyjack" but decided to watch a video of Talk Talk's "Such a Shame" 1986 Montreux performance instead. Time well spent. That whole album is epic.
Aoife Fraoch Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 217	Posted - 2015.10.29 09:13:36 - [46] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: I was gonna look up "barleyjack" but decided to watch a video of Talk Talk's "Such a Shame" 1986 Montreux performance instead. Time well spent. I was also going to do this, but instead ended up watching "virtual insanity" by jamiroqui. It is still terrible. What is barleyjack anyhow? I actually did try to look up barleyjack and all I seemed to find was some band called "The Barkey Jacks". Suffice to say, I am still confused.

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