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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
175
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Posted - 2015.10.28 20:14:52 -
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Wouldn-Št it be fun if you could buid a capital in a medium citadel but the moment you assemble it it undocks and gets bounced with maximum force towards the sun. |
Braxton Tscharke
Sudden Buggery
6
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Posted - 2015.10.29 07:23:12 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:As i keep saying to the lads - "Don't be a poor."
Now I can add "Don't be a poor and don't make Jester sad." I just expected so much more from your corp :<
And so you should from a corp that has their pos sensor damp modules arranged in the shape of a penis. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
2856
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Posted - 2015.10.29 09:34:21 -
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Braxton Tscharke wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:As i keep saying to the lads - "Don't be a poor."
Now I can add "Don't be a poor and don't make Jester sad." I just expected so much more from your corp :< And so you should from a corp that has their pos sensor damp modules arranged in the shape of a penis.
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aldhura
Bartledannians
9
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:46:08 -
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I am not too concerned about being able to have cap ships in smaller wh's, probably cause I don't have one.
I just think CCP should take in to account the smaller players, ie many c1-c3 that already have capital ships. They are now stuck in them like titan pilots for the time it takes to build freighters and and large citadels.
It hard to haul stuff if you can't leave your cap ship...
Off the cuff changes like this are just plain silly.
We still have no idea what will happen to all out pos's and pos modules, do we just add them to out storage with DSP's etc ?? NO one is going to buy them.
Bartledannians are recruiting.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6104254#post6104254
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Peonza Chan
Gloryhole Initiative
Que os den forsaken
21
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Posted - 2015.11.06 10:04:27 -
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aldhura wrote:I am not too concerned about being able to have cap ships in smaller wh's, probably cause I don't have one.
I just think CCP should take in to account the smaller players, ie many c1-c3 that already have capital ships. They are now stuck in them like titan pilots for the time it takes to build freighters and and large citadels.
It hard to haul stuff if you can't leave your cap ship...
Off the cuff changes like this are just plain silly.
We still have no idea what will happen to all out pos's and pos modules, do we just add them to out storage with DSP's etc ?? NO one is going to buy them.
They still can build L aaaaaaaand building capitals was a bad decision anyway, CCP confirm. |
calaretu
Unsettled
Unsettled.
379
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Posted - 2015.11.07 18:19:51 -
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This thread deserves a notice that Nullarbor have confirmed on slack that a Large will fit in a orca but you have to cargo rig it.
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Nox52
Sudden Buggery
94
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Posted - 2015.11.08 02:56:29 -
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calaretu wrote:This thread deserves a notice that Nullarbor have confirmed on slack that a Large will fit in a orca but you have to cargo rig it.
Much better. I have a good use for bait orca.
Goes to prove some constructive whining where needed works... |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1496
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:44:52 -
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Nox52 wrote:calaretu wrote:This thread deserves a notice that Nullarbor have confirmed on slack that a Large will fit in a orca but you have to cargo rig it. Much better. I have a good use for bait orca. Goes to prove some constructive whining where needed works...
don't kid yourself
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Johng Kahn
eXceed Inc.
3
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Posted - 2015.11.14 06:22:33 -
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I just saw an oblisk floating in a c4 pos the other day. Maybe thats their intention is to be able to drop a large citidale. Honestly if you want one in a low class i dont see how it's any diff then building a few capitol ships in high class.
By my experience most c5 corps have at least 3 to 6 caps being built at any given time. Spares, member orders, replacements cause HK just droped them. Whatever.
90% of those caps materials were hauled in by 1 or 2 members doing dst runs.
10 days minimum to build a dread or carier.
How is this normal way of life in high class any different then doing the same ammount of work the same way in low class?
Do i think it's a good idea to have XL's in c2's with troll phoenix and alike? Sure why not. W space has gotten booring and complacent. If your not getting blobed 4 to 1 then they are risk adverse as hell and wont fight. We need more content and this would be fun. |
Nox52
Sudden Buggery
94
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Posted - 2015.11.14 08:52:04 -
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Johng Kahn wrote:I just saw an oblisk floating in a c4 pos the other day. Maybe thats their intention is to be able to drop a large citidale. Honestly if you want one in a low class i dont see how it's any diff then building a few capitol ships in high class.
By my experience most c5 corps have at least 3 to 6 caps being built at any given time. Spares, member orders, replacements cause HK just droped them. Whatever.
90% of those caps materials were hauled in by 1 or 2 members doing dst runs.
10 days minimum to build a dread or carier.
How is this normal way of life in high class any different then doing the same ammount of work the same way in low class?
Do i think it's a good idea to have XL's in c2's with troll phoenix and alike? Sure why not. W space has gotten booring and complacent. If your not getting blobed 4 to 1 then they are risk adverse as hell and wont fight. We need more content and this would be fun.
Ok let's break it up and run through the use cases for you. Let's see if you spot the issue.
Low class wh - I want to build caps because reasons. Ok no problem we built them. Upcoming citadels release if I want them to be more than glorified space coffins for my pilots i need a large. A bit obnxious but ok sure. I gather all the materials and build one in system at a medium citadel. I now build a freighter to load up the large to deploy it. It deploys successfully. Much profit! Ok what do I do with the freighter now? Use it haul stuff around? No, it's system bound. Use it to build more larges? Why? I already have one which for medium sized corps should be enough. Self destruct it to get insurance back? That sounds useful but a bit silly. Use it as bait? What is I want to bait down the chain?
This is example of stupid design gameplay. the freighter is useless, not much use to it after it deploys the large. Why tho? it adds nothing, no extra gameplay, no extra use. It doesn't prevent larges from low class whs. If I built a dread or carrier in the system I can use it for pvp, defence, reps etc actually doing stuff.
In high class systems you can build your freighter in the system and drive it out or drive one in and drive it out. Bit of a hassle but hey, there's something at the end of the tunnel.
Did you understand now? |
Wen Jaibao
Soul Ripper Consortium
6
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Posted - 2015.11.14 12:56:09 -
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Jack Miton wrote:all it means is you cant dock your caps in a class 1.
if you bothered building caps in your c1? i mean, sure. feel free to get upset about it i guess.
Yeah, I agree. Building caps in C1 wormholes was a fool's errand, and looks like that ship is about to run aground. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
217
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Posted - 2015.11.15 15:23:18 -
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Wen Jaibao wrote:Jack Miton wrote:all it means is you cant dock your caps in a class 1.
if you bothered building caps in your c1? i mean, sure. feel free to get upset about it i guess. Yeah, I agree. Building caps in C1 wormholes was a fool's errand, and looks like that ship is about to run aground.
So i geuss you guys don't like to shoot capitals?
Why the hate for caps in c1-c4 space? Let people build them so you can go and shoot them!
No local in null sec would fix everything!
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
367
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Posted - 2015.11.15 16:48:14 -
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What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored? |
Maria Kitiare
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
27
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Posted - 2015.11.16 08:04:48 -
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Kynric wrote:What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored?
I am concerned that the communities desire to not have asset safety has created a huge personal hanger but worse in that anyone with the right permissions could literally destroy all assets in the system far in excess of what is now possible. Perhaps we should rethink our desire to not have asset safety.
It isn't as much the communitys desire to not have asset protection, as it is the CCP desire to be lazy.
You should go talk to your favorite CCP employe and explain to them why being lazy and cutting corners will make Citadels ****. ;)
I've tried to say that they can't replace POSes without fixing the mechanics influenced by the POS mechanics, but lazy CCP is lazy and won't do it. So please, feel free to try. :) |
Jonn Duune
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
20
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Posted - 2015.11.16 10:43:03 -
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Kynric wrote:What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored?
I am concerned that the communities desire to not have asset safety has created a huge personal hanger but worse in that anyone with the right permissions could literally destroy all assets in the system far in excess of what is now possible. Perhaps we should rethink our desire to not have asset safety.
I would assume that you'd get an army of cans in space... but that's a good point. |
Kynric
Sky Fighters
368
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Posted - 2015.11.16 13:22:02 -
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Jonn Duune wrote:Kynric wrote:What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored?
I am concerned that the communities desire to not have asset safety has created a huge personal hanger but worse in that anyone with the right permissions could literally destroy all assets in the system far in excess of what is now possible. Perhaps we should rethink our desire to not have asset safety. I would assume that you'd get an army of cans in space... but that's a good point.
An army of cans would still destroy the members assets. Policing them up would be impossible even if t g ey so mm ehow happened to be logged on and nearby at the moment it happened. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
1060
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Posted - 2015.11.16 15:19:10 -
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Kynric wrote:What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored?
I am concerned that the communities desire to not have asset safety has created a huge personal hanger but worse in that anyone with the right permissions could literally destroy all assets in the system far in excess of what is now possible. Perhaps we should rethink our desire to not have asset safety.
How is this, in the end, different from the POS and how a rogue director or another member with roles can remove everything from the POS and unanchor everything?
It is my understanding that CCP has a different role/permission scheme for Citadels and so hopefully this is addressed. But it still boils down to trusting that your directors won't steal your stuff.
I'm right behind you
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
368
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:08:56 -
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Alundil wrote:Kynric wrote:What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored?
I am concerned that the communities desire to not have asset safety has created a huge personal hanger but worse in that anyone with the right permissions could literally destroy all assets in the system far in excess of what is now possible. Perhaps we should rethink our desire to not have asset safety. How is this, in the end, different from the POS and how a rogue director or another member with roles can remove everything from the POS and unanchor everything? It is my understanding that CCP has a different role/permission scheme for Citadels and so hopefully this is addressed. But it still boils down to trusting that your directors won't steal your stuff.
It would take much more effort to remove the goods from a pos. I suppose you could drop the shield and shoot the hangers and then shoot the wrecks. Also shooting structures leaves killboard evidence of who did what while a midnight unanchor leaves only a mystery. We really need something more robust. The current consequences make it difficult to split up the tasks required to run a corp. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
1060
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Posted - 2015.11.16 23:42:28 -
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Kynric wrote:Alundil wrote:Kynric wrote:What happens to member assets if a wormhole citadel is unanchored?
I am concerned that the communities desire to not have asset safety has created a huge personal hanger but worse in that anyone with the right permissions could literally destroy all assets in the system far in excess of what is now possible. Perhaps we should rethink our desire to not have asset safety. How is this, in the end, different from the POS and how a rogue director or another member with roles can remove everything from the POS and unanchor everything? It is my understanding that CCP has a different role/permission scheme for Citadels and so hopefully this is addressed. But it still boils down to trusting that your directors won't steal your stuff. It would take much more effort to remove the goods from a pos. I suppose you could drop the shield and shoot the hangers and then shoot the wrecks. Also shooting structures leaves killboard evidence of who did what while a midnight unanchor leaves only a mystery. We really need something more robust. The current consequences make it difficult to split up the tasks required to run a corp.
I disagree. One large ship/freighter would be enough to clear out a lot of hangars. A carrier/bowhead a few times to move ships and its done. No unanchor necessary if theft is the only goal. All it takes is properly misconfigured roles and voila perfect recipe for theft from a pos. All assets worth removing are gone and no kill mails either. I don't see a significant difference in potential theft by someone with appropriate roles in either system. However the citadel DOES prevent random members from doing this unlike the current pos system which is an improvement in that regard.
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