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Valacus Shattered Silver 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:07:41 - [1] - Quote Seriously, what is the Nestor good for? No one does exploration in a battleship. They turn slow, they warp slow, they move slow, they lock slow, and they skill up slow. The Nestor has no business having exploration bonuses. You may as well put drone bonuses on a Caracal. So what IS the Nestor good for? Well, it ain't Mission running. The Nestor doesn't pack enough damage or enough tank. It ain't PvP. The Nestor doesn't pack enough damage or tank, and again, it's a battleship. Too slow. It ain't WHs because there's nothing a Nestor can do that a Gila or Stratios won't do better, and they ain't battleships. It ain't a carrier because it can't jump or carry anything useful. It isn't black ops because it can't jump or cloak. It isn't logistics because... IT'S A BATTLESHIP. Locks too slow. You can't even do Incursions in it because it won't meet the DPS and tank requirements, and the drones are heavy drones which are of course too slow. Faction battleships in EVE are a huge pack of awesome, EXCEPT FOR THE NESTOR, the most expensive one of all. So what exactly is the purpose of the ship? It's a huge mismatch of bonuses that don't coincide with one another. Seriously, why scanning and exploration bonuses on a battleship hull? Most people scan with alts anyways, so you don't need an all-in-one ship, and the Nestor doesn't even have the powergrid to all in one to begin with. Drones for damage? Why, because it's Gallente? Gallente ships can have armor bonuses too. Give it laser damage and at least you can apply your damage immediately, the strength of gun based platforms. Laser optimal range? Why, when my damage bonus isn't to my guns? I get to stand there chip away at a target from a distance while my drones make the long, slow, hike of shame over there before I can apply any real DPS. How do you even go about fixing a ship when you can't even tell what it's supposed to do in the first place? Ugh. What a mess.
Paranoid Loyd 7326	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:10:18 - [2] - Quote They are good for remote repping. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Valacus Shattered Silver 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:15:18 - [3] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: They are good for remote repping. How so? A logistics cruiser does the job better and locks way faster, because it's not a battleship. They also move and warp faster. A jammed Nestor would spend forever relocking targets in need of support again. That is not "good for remote repping".
Paranoid Loyd 7326	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:26:05 - [4] - Quote Valacus wrote: locks way faster While fast lock time is nice, I'm not really sure why you put such emphasis on this. If you have a small gang of BS, you should have enough ehp that it really doesn't matter. Valacus wrote: A jammed Nestor would spend forever relocking targets in need of support again. Anything properly jammed will take forever or won't be able to lock anything. That being said the sensor strength of a Nestor is 30 while the logistics are ~20. How much DPS is your logistics cruiser putting out while repping? "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Valacus Shattered Silver 3	Posted - 2015.10.29 20:32:05 - [5] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: While fast lock time is nice, I'm not really sure why you put such emphasis on this. If you have a small gang of BS, you should have enough ehp that it really doesn't matter. What are you on about? It's not uncommon at all for logistics teams to barely catch ships in %25 armor or structure before bringing them back. High alpha and target switching are some of the easiest ways to get around logistics other than jamming. A battleship won't be able to do a logistic cruisers job. Lock time is the difference between repped and popped. Paranoid Loyd wrote: Anything properly jammed will take forever or won't be able to lock anything. That being said the sensor strength of a Nestor is 30 while the logistics are 19. How much DPS is your logistics cruiser putting out while repping? Jams are all RND based now, so the time you have between jam cycles is critical. You can't be wasting that waiting on a slow lock time. And huh? Who cares how much DPS a logi is putting out? That isn't their job. I pack one combat drone to whore the kill mails, but that's it. There's a reason we have logi for logi and DPS for DPS. They both do their jobs well, unlike the Nestor, who does not excel at either role and costs 5x as much.
Tiddle Jr Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 636	Posted - 2015.10.29 22:38:53 - [6] - Quote Support ship good for small scale ops. Could handle much more dps vs. logi simultaneously providing dps ftom drones and having option to help with refit.
Atomeon The Scope Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2015.10.29 23:11:30 - [7] - Quote First if all it has big buffer (12k shield/armor/hull). Second it has armor bonuses 4%/lvl and with 2 EANMs the resists go to 70%+ It can get 1000dps with easy and if you find 4-5 of them spider tanked you wont kill them.
Loradan Illstari Heretic Army I N F A M O U S 2	Posted - 2015.10.30 01:56:53 - [8] - Quote Atomeon wrote: First if all it has big buffer (12k shield/armor/hull). Second it has armor bonuses 4%/lvl and with 2 EANMs the resists go to 70%+ It can get 1000dps with easy and if you find 4-5 of them spider tanked you wont kill them. Or you could just jam them, like you break all logi chains. They aren't particularly fast, so they won't be running away in any hurry. Armor platforms make terrible kiters, yet it still has a range bonus to guns. Other faction battleships go well over the 1k mark in DPS, so that's no accomplishments.
Ong Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 124	Posted - 2015.10.30 02:03:19 - [9] - Quote Nope, none of you have realised why its good yet.....keep going
Llehctim Ttirrem University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.10.30 03:20:17 - [10] - Quote because it's a battleship with that can go through cruiser size WH??? at least that's what i thought i read.

ChromeStriker Out of Focus Odin's Call 960	Posted - 2015.10.30 09:04:20 - [11] - Quote Hehehe its an absolutly awesome ship, if you cant see why i feel bad for you :p cough mini carrier cough In fact we're pretty worried its going to get nurfed.... No Worries
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 390	Posted - 2015.10.30 09:27:12 - [12] - Quote ChromeStriker wrote: Hehehe its an absolutly awesome ship, if you cant see why i feel bad for you :p cough mini carrier cough In fact we're pretty worried its going to get nurfed.... Yeah this, look at what shadow cartel is doing with them and you know why the ship is borderling op.
Garrett Osinov Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2015.10.30 11:02:54 - [13] - Quote If you can't figure out what are the bonuses for the ship, you can ask politely and ppl might explain you. If you shout, that the ship is bad, noone will explain you, what are the bonuses of that ship.
Amanda Chan Tyrant's Short Bus Syndicate 54	Posted - 2015.10.30 11:30:38 - [14] - Quote I've heard supers pooing one out as an emergency refit.
Torgeir Hekard I MYSELF AND ME 211	Posted - 2015.10.30 11:53:13 - [15] - Quote Supers use it as a mobile depot with zero anchoring time. Some fleets use it for field refitting. But for general use one of it's designated virtues - extremely low mass, is also it's bane. It means that BS propmods act as oversized for nestor, and once you turn MWD on, you get brick agility. It needs dual nanos to even start approaching the less agile battleships align times, which limits the ship to second-line duty and gimmick tricks.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1081	Posted - 2015.10.30 14:14:54 - [16] - Quote what Torgeir said.. drop nestor from SMA, refit, scoop, profit.
Austneal Nero Fazione End of Life 99	Posted - 2015.10.30 21:34:03 - [17] - Quote I flew in a 5 man Nestor RR fleet on SiSi the other day, and they were quite effective. We used their refitting capabilities to switch one of our fleetmates to neuts for dread / carrier killing. Not to mention, they're SEXY ships.
Amanda Chan Tyrant's Short Bus Syndicate 54	Posted - 2015.10.31 13:49:42 - [18] - Quote Don't get too attached to refitting on the fly, if you can or atleast be prepared to wait out a weapons timer before you can.
StonerPhReaK Herb Men 300	Posted - 2015.10.31 13:52:50 - [19] - Quote For exploration they get used to run the large Caches. Perfect ship for it. Huge buffer, tons of reps and refitting capabilities make the site a breeze to run. Are you sure you EvE? Signature Removal in Progress, Estimated time of completion? Neva
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 390	Posted - 2015.10.31 14:51:42 - [20] - Quote it literally is a tankier carrier (cause it doesnt instantly get wrecked by 20 supers being dropped on it)

Sean Parisi Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T 714	Posted - 2015.11.01 05:31:39 - [21] - Quote Loradan Illstari wrote: Atomeon wrote: First if all it has big buffer (12k shield/armor/hull). Second it has armor bonuses 4%/lvl and with 2 EANMs the resists go to 70%+ It can get 1000dps with easy and if you find 4-5 of them spider tanked you wont kill them. Or you could just jam them, like you break all logi chains. They aren't particularly fast, so they won't be running away in any hurry. Armor platforms make terrible kiters, yet it still has a range bonus to guns. Other faction battleships go well over the 1k mark in DPS, so that's no accomplishments. You do realize that these ships are also 'drone boats' right? Which means that - yes, indeed. You can jam them - woopdedoo. They can concentrate drones onto ECM support.
Nerapa The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 56	Posted - 2015.11.02 12:49:32 - [22] - Quote They make for nice pinatas and killmails TDSIN Jnr. Recruiter
Valacus Shattered Silver 7	Posted - 2015.11.03 15:46:17 - [23] - Quote Sean Parisi wrote: Loradan Illstari wrote: Atomeon wrote: First if all it has big buffer (12k shield/armor/hull). Second it has armor bonuses 4%/lvl and with 2 EANMs the resists go to 70%+ It can get 1000dps with easy and if you find 4-5 of them spider tanked you wont kill them. Or you could just jam them, like you break all logi chains. They aren't particularly fast, so they won't be running away in any hurry. Armor platforms make terrible kiters, yet it still has a range bonus to guns. Other faction battleships go well over the 1k mark in DPS, so that's no accomplishments. You do realize that these ships are also 'drone boats' right? Which means that - yes, indeed. You can jam them - woopdedoo. They can concentrate drones onto ECM support. You know as well as I do that jammed drone ships don't get to choose their targets, and you vastly oversold the Nestor's buffer tank, which is adequate, but far from impressive.
Titus Heldane Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 29	Posted - 2015.11.03 16:26:51 - [24] - Quote a nestor isnt better than a logi ship at repping. but it can do a ton of other things a logi ship cant even think about, and it is INSANELY tanky. it also has great utility with its reffiting capabilities and it has a ton of slots meaning you can do almost anything with it. especially in shorter range WH brawls their low mass and high tank makes them a great addition to a fleet. [Nestor, gang] Damage Control II Centus C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Centus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Federation Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Warp Disruptor II Large Micro Jump Drive Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Core C-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I True Sansha Heavy Nosferatu Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Remote Repair Augmentor II Curator II x5 Warrior II x10 Hammerhead II x10 Ogre II x5 Curator II x2 Vespa EC-600 x5 'Yurt' Mobile Depot x1 Nanite Repair Paste x300 Navy Cap Booster 800 x23 you should carry spare reps, cap transfers, NOSes and neuts in your cargo. you can carry an entire refit with you and if theres another nestor with you you'll only need the depot for emergencies. with HG slaves and legion boosts, this thing has a monstrous 445k EHP with heated hardeners. that is ******* ridiculous and no logi will get even close to that number. it also deals 500 dps, can point, web, has a MJD, MWD, ECCM, cap booster, neuts and plenty of reps. if you chain up with another nestor your cap will last a long time and you can refit to more cap transfers if necessary. this is of course also far more expensive than t2 logi, but since the hull alone costs a billion price shouldnt really be an issue
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild Blades of Grass 102	Posted - 2015.11.03 22:38:43 - [25] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/oPR9dDJ.png The nestor is fine. 168k EHP and higher, over 2k DPS local tank, damn near impossible probe down, cap stable while running local rep and remote reps, over 500 dps. What's wrong with it?
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4719	Posted - 2015.11.04 10:37:50 - [26] - Quote MicDeath Titan wrote: What's wrong with it? It doesn't come in black? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kalihira Ultramar Independent Contracting 42	Posted - 2015.11.04 21:16:37 - [27] - Quote Titus Heldane wrote: a nestor isnt better than a logi ship at repping. but it can do a ton of other things a logi ship cant even think about, and it is INSANELY tanky. it also has great utility with its reffiting capabilities and it has a ton of slots meaning you can do almost anything with it. especially in shorter range WH brawls their low mass and high tank makes them a great addition to a fleet. Bla nestor is the most powerfull subcap repper on top of all the things you mentioned. In pure aubcap warfare, its a beast. Its a great flagship for spider domis since you can refit off it. Its role might be nice, but its damn powerfull in that role
Kalihira Ultramar Independent Contracting 42	Posted - 2015.11.04 21:45:42 - [28] - Quote Repost, internet says sorry
Wen Jaibao Perkone Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.11.13 14:19:03 - [29] - Quote Shame that a ship that's thematically supposed to be about exploration is used as a mobile depot/spider tanker. The description even dismisses the possibility of it being able to fit a covops cloak, lol Quote: The Sanctuary corporation poured uncountable resources into making the cloaking technology developed for the Stratios fit the Nestor, but were eventually forced to concede that it was impossible... With covert function off the table, the Sanctuary turned their eyes on logistics and now the Nestor serves as one of the best support platforms in New Eden.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4733	Posted - 2015.11.13 18:23:19 - [30] - Quote Wen Jaibao wrote: Shame that a ship that's thematically supposed to be about exploration is used as a mobile depot/spider tanker. The description even dismisses the possibility of it being able to fit a covops cloak, lol Yes, if that isn't the nail in the coffin... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Brutus Utama Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance 61	Posted - 2015.11.17 09:00:25 - [31] - Quote you stick them in your super and pop it out when you need a refit..... think of it as a glorified Mobile Depot


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