How farmers run plexes for both sides in dead end stationless systems probably isnt high on ccps cares.

You keep talking about these high vp farmers, ignorant of the fact that the system they farm hasn't changed hands in a long time. Ergo they are having zero effect on the warzone. At best you could say they are gaming one system that can be completely ignored with no detriment to the warzone.

Dont get me wrong, id like farmers to have a rough time. But you fixate on these top 3 dudes who have had no effect on occupancy dispite their vp numbers as though it is a major problem.

They have had a bigger impact on occupancy than you have with your random pvp in your boosted garmur. Your saying their gaining vp means nothing for sov demonstrates your ignorance of the mechanics. The fact that everyone thought the extra point on the maulus was directed at faction war speaks volumes.

Anyway Crosi we all know you are fine with this situation. But few really care about our views. I would like to hear CCPs view on whether this is intended and they are fine with it.

I would not bet that these systems are all dead end or station-less. But even if they are they contribute to tiers and security. Oh yeah and when citadels come out it is unclear how important stations in a system are going to be. I haven't really thought it through yet, and we don't really have that much information to base predictions on.

I have never just fixated on the top three. Look at the top 20 or whatever you want. But look at the weeks over a period of time and look at their killboards for the times they get those top spots.

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Without understanding how these bonuses will work with the new 4 way war and with the "affiliated" alliances it is hard to really know what should happen. If CCP gives large enough bonuses it may lead to some neutral groups just flat out supporting the winning militia so their citadels owned by their militia alt corps get the benefits.

But I would say adding more consequences to a broken sov system does not make sense. Fix the sov war first. Then add consequences.

I think if you have a citadel in system a 100% bonus to your off grid links would be a nice idea.

I am sure everyone that posts in this forums section would agree.

some of my ideas:

citadel atributes
2% bonus to all citadel resists(hp or anything like that) per tier
-from RP view is logical, that militias things would be more dangerous, because war conflict etc

citadel repair service
20% reduction of repair cost per tier -> T5 = free repair for militia ppl which has docking rights
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citadel market module
5-10% reduction for broker fee or sales tax per tier

citadel production/research module
1% reduction in manufacturing/research required materials per tier

+ special citadel module

24th crusade(+others) LP shop/fw agent service in citadel
-works only in T5 system
5% sale on LP requirements in LP shop

+ not citadel relevant

mobile things decay
scan & cyno inhibitors, siphons, mobile mjd and other things get doubled lifetime in upgraded Tier5 system

I think if you have a citadel in system a 100% bonus to your off grid links would be a nice idea.

I am sure everyone that posts in this forums section would agree.

Fuel costs have been mentioned a few times. +1 to those.

In sov null, sov owners have 15 minute structure repair timers, whereas deploying in hostile space is a full 60 minute time. In lowsec and WH space, this is 30 minutes. I'd love to see that 30 minute timer be reduced by 3 minutes per iHub upgrade level (thus, 15 minutes if you live in a fully upgraded home system), only for that militia. Mechanics like this would be difficult for neutrals to abuse by using one-man FW-alt holding corps (since it requires significant investment to keep a system upgraded, but is easy to degrade).

This would have multiple implications. The timer buff could be reduced to nil in as short as a few days if the system is being successfully hellcamped by the opposing militia, but would be easy to maintain if you have solid coverage on all the timezones. Neutrals interested in harming a FW citadel would then be encouraged to at least slightly work together with that citadel's enemies.

To avoid exploitation of upgrades in general (though not directly involved with the above suggestions):
-Any citadel placed by a non-FW entity should NOT receive any upgrade bonuses
-Any citadel placed by a FW entity should NOT be able to allow enemy militias to dock (full freeport mode in FW-systems would be impossible to own if the owning corp is in FW)
-Therefore, in no scenario can the ihub bonuses be used by the enemy militia.

This would prevent, for instance, Amarr players from using a Minmatar alt to anchor a citadel in a Minmatar system and letting Amarr use it, with full ihub bonuses, to siege the Minmatar system.

Edit: As corollary to the above anti-exploitation, there shouldn't be any standings penalties for shooting citadels owned by your militia, to avoid "standings-shielding" via FW holding-corps.

Adding nulsec anomalies. Would add pve content to lowsec and pvp from ganking the bears running them...

Cyno jammer, can make it use fuel like crazy so having it online all the time wouldn't be smart.

A beacon with a really long cooldown that when activated spawns a friendly npc fleet to defend the citadel.

Something to despawn an enemy's in-system mission after a long delay, that gets you half the LP they would have got for completing their mission. (something that should have been built into FW missions from the beginning)

Something to cause friendly NPCs to spawn on the gates, quality/number dependant on system upgrade level

In-system jump drive. Pretty much a jump drive/MJD that can teleport you to a specific spot in the system, make it use fuel dependant on mass like a blops bridge. Inability to warp straight into a plex or specific spot in deadspace, of course.

The system upgrades we have right now are worthless in stations without lab slots and industry slots and such. Would be nice if the upgrade level affected the industry junk at the citadels.

System upgrades giving bonuses to friendly citadel weapons.

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I'd have to dig back pretty far to remember the good ideas people had back in the day for system upgrades, but a cyno jammer was at the top of the list.

Adding pve activities to the system isn't a bad idea. It might attract people into FW, could give low-tier militias an income, and could provide for good pvp opportunities.

I appreciate your bringing this up in this community.

But I don't think we need more consequences for the currently broken sov warfare game where alts in stabbed and empty frigates hold systems. CCP needs to focus on fixing rabbit plexing instead of just giving it more rewards. Please keep them focused.

And Crosi I plexed all sorts of home systems when I used to pvp. No one bothers to fight. Because they can just wait until I leave and then put an alt in an empty frigate and dplex the system. Why risk a ship?

Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.

So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested? Only those who love the current game enough to continue to spend their time in it have a valid opinion? I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex.

You are the one who should get over it.

So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested? Only those who love the current game enough to continue to spend their time in it have a valid opinion? I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex.

You are the one who should get over it.

"So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested?"
- Exposed yourself as angry, because it lacks sense.

" I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex."
- Means you see yourself as important and that you have self esteem issues.


She struck a nerve.

I see my opinions as about as important as anyone elses. No more, no less.

I would rather everyones opinions be judged on the reasoning and merit behind them, rather than who is posting them. But I realize on these forums that is unlikely. So yep, feel free to derail yet another eve-o thread by arguing that only certain players should be able to express their opinions, and speculating about self esteem, or emotional states of posters.

I see my opinions as about as important as anyone else's. No more, no less.

Agree to disagree, given your unique ability to be wrong on almost everything regardless of how many 'facts' you cite.

kind of like you am i rite?

For example? Im not the one who points to historically high levels of activity to prove that FW is not just broken but is dead and buried and people should just become pie because FW content is so hard to find lol.

Amarr have probably completed far more missions than any other faction combined.

+1 for turning FW iHubs into Citadels that can be bashed when the system becomes vulnerable.

I'm not sure about what bonuses exactly to apply, but a good general principle seems to be for the system bonuses to have synergies with new Citadel features. If you've put the effort into building a citadel, bonuses should encourage putting effort into keeping system upgrades active and vise versa.

Another idea would be instead of non FW carebears getting enhanced NPC stations in FW space, those carebears might get the same benefits from using FW player deployed Citadels. FW players then get to skim some income from activity taking place in their structures, providing an income stream at the Corp / Alliance level for FW entities that doesn't depend on LP or moon mining.

It would be interesting to see how citadels tie in with DUST regarding system bonuses.

Perhaps abilities that decrease the time required to wait for an orbital strike to be possible?

Perhaps abilities that increase or decrease the % influence Dust can have on contestation?