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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2003.12.01 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Novo DuPont on 01/12/2003 04:46:04
Edited by: Novo DuPont on 01/12/2003 04:44:31
For anyone who paid attention in school during history:
PT (Patrol Torpedo) Boat many times took out Cruiser, Battle Crusier AND Battleships with just a couple cheap torpedos. The problem with EVE is yes if it can be done now then why not in the future?
PT Boat cost 100 times less than a just a Cruiser, had a hull made of WOOD, only carried 2 torpedos and a few .50 Caliber machine guns but they went very fast and could manuver very well.
Sure the main guns of a Cruiser or Battleship could take them out at long ranges without trying. The thing was the closer they got the harder it was for the turrets to turn fast enough to get a aim at them. So PT's whole point was to move fast, evade till they get at a range that the main guns could not track them and the ship could not evade their torps.
There was many times a SINGLE PT boat had taken out a large ship. So I see np in having frigates be able to mount close range weapon that can do significant damage to a BS.
The problem I will have is if no matter at what range a frigate is at you won't be able to hit them, that will be a big problem.
NO ship mounts only one weapon type and anyone in EVE that doesn't mount both large turret plus at least 2 other types ( smart bomb and launcher most common) will be losing their BS.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.12.01 05:03:00 -
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Lol to that person bringing Trek into the discussion.
Someone even forgot his Trekology!
The Enterprise D was taken out by nothing more than an old Klingon Bird of Prey, which is considered to be a frigate. (Star Trek: Generations).
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2003.12.01 08:48:00 -
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Well, if you noticed he said that, "yeah we gonna be toning down BS capability when it comes to close combat frigs", But, he also said right after that a new ship introduced called a destroyer will fill that void when it comes to these pesky frigs.
This is exactly what i want to see, seperate individual ships in organized fleets serving thei given roles as combat vessels. not just a one type ship that can kill everything around it.
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MrCjEvans
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Posted - 2003.12.01 10:16:00 -
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WIf this nerf is gonna happen as they want to bring frigs back into it, give the bships pilot a new type of L gun designed not for massive damage but great traking so a bship could hit the little pests, but other than that the frigates would be dead very quickly with 9 hvy drones.
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Varia
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Posted - 2003.12.01 10:18:00 -
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All this means is that future full scale space combat will require more tactics.
Personally I see this as a good change.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.12.01 18:45:00 -
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Maybe I'm wrong here but it sounded like they were refering to the Elite Frigates wich should cost significantly more than a Kestrel and need much higher skills to use. I have no problem with 4 Elite Frigates being able to kill a Battleship. Note " New close combat frigates."
Don't like it invest in drones.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.12.01 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylon Syi on 01/12/2003 20:39:11
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It isn't about the price of the ships.
Yes, it actually is about that. Sorry, but if people start losing 100M+ of time and effort to a handful of people who have been playing for two weeks in ships that cost less than their ammo, EVE will die an even quicker death than it already is. Use your head.
Do you even know anything about combat in EVE? A 2 week old grigate isn't the debate of this combat. It will never happen. Heavy Missiles just won't do enuff damage at that skill level to harm a good BS. Frigates can't use Torpedos... Period... and it takes more than 2 weeks to get the skills you need + Cruise Missiles.
I fly Frigates and Cruisers for solo PvP and I can tell you its hard to get anything short of 3 missile points to kill a ship. It takes strategy to be able to withstand 1 torpedo. 2 Paradise Cruise Missiles and 2 named Small guns will take a cruiser to armor... but 1 torpedo or a flock of drones will take you out before you reload the next vollie of cruise if you not doing some major flying and timing.
I would think it would take a Minimum of 3 - 3 launcher point Frigates to be in a winable battle VS a BS. I think Breacher and Inquisitor are the Minimum the best being the Kestrel. Rifters are nice if you can get close before getting dead but you need backup for sure.
The point is... you won't see n00bs taking on Battleships anytime soon and winning. a ) Frigate needs to be FASTer than stock - aka nav skills. b) It needs to have Missile OP 5 for Cruise Missiles and Cruise Missiles 3
If you think you can just pop into a frigate and take on a BS even after the next patch.... HAH
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