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AngryCanuk TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.02 00:41:00 - [1] People constantly complained about macro miners, well i hope your happy, this is what you got. Higher priced low end minerals, higher overall prices, and low priced high end items. I dont even see how this helps the mining corps that were whining.... I say bring back the macro miners, let them push the low end minerals back I know it will even out again however i bet it wont be for afew weeks atleast..
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.01.02 00:45:00 - [2] "I dont even see how this helps the mining corps that were whining...." It has made a dramatic difference to the miners I know. They make a LOT more money now. Low sec miners might make less or about the same... but high sec miners make a crapload more, which is very good because previously high-sec mining was nearly worthless. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
AngryCanuk TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.02 00:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Shadarle "I dont even see how this helps the mining corps that were whining...." It has made a dramatic difference to the miners I know. They make a LOT more money now. Low sec miners might make less or about the same... but high sec miners make a crapload more, which is very good because previously high-sec mining was nearly worthless. Its still worthless compared to high sec mining. Why would they spend all the time learning for decent mining skills only to mine scordite? frick Their whining helped the few marginally and hurt the majority infinitely more..
David H'Levi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.02 01:07:00 - [4] Macro-mining was against the EULA, plain and simple. People were violating the EULA to gain an unfair monetary advantage over other players. Prices may yet even out. I suspect that exploration has more to do with the drop in the prices of the high-end minerals, and that the low-end minerals are just suffering the residual effects of the Post-Kali demand spike. Mexallon was always drastically undervalued, anyway. We Recruit!
Marodi Julita Sublime Investment Fund	Posted - 2007.01.02 01:56:00 - [5] unfortunately it hurts new characters the most. This kind of stuff happens in real life too... This dosent hit 0.0 miners at all since their minerals are relatively stable. Macromining is against the rules.
Rustimon Polar Bear Industries	Posted - 2007.01.02 02:23:00 - [6] I still see em around. Try to annoy em when I can.
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.02 05:54:00 - [7] ha i stil pay 1-2 isk per pye, max 2 isk per trit and abut 8 isk per mex and i can get it in MILLIONS hahaha 0.0 4tw Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.02 05:57:00 - [8] Macro miners were/are bad, but Macro NPCers are FAR FAR FAR worse. These guys actually create new isk. The Enemy's Gate is Down
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.02 08:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Baun Macro miners were/are bad, but Macro NPCers are FAR FAR FAR worse. These guys actually create new isk. Kinda thought the way NPC was designed would be hard to macro it unless you could use somthing like smartbombs or drones, but even your drones would die over time i would think. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
Theonlystd Caldari Fly-By-Night Enterprises Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Marodi Julita unfortunately it hurts new characters the most. This kind of stuff happens in real life too... This dosent hit 0.0 miners at all since their minerals are relatively stable. Macromining is against the rules. Im curious as how you came to this conclusion. T1 Frigs,Mods and Cruisers arent really going to see massive price spikes.. All the while the new player is going to make alot more for any mining he does. And have you not been watching ZYD prices thats hits 0.0 Miners im guessing.. ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:54:00 - [11] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Baun Macro miners were/are bad, but Macro NPCers are FAR FAR FAR worse. These guys actually create new isk. Kinda thought the way NPC was designed would be hard to macro it unless you could use somthing like smartbombs or drones, but even your drones would die over time i would think. You'd be surprised... Anywhere you can find a 5/10 drone complex for example, you can always find a bunch of chinese farmers. They just have 1 person controlling 10+ accounts at the same time. You can quite often see different groups of macroers fighting over the same plex actually. I fight em on a daily basis right now. And the macrominers will be back once all this underwater earthquake thingie in asia ahs been fixed. ---------------------------------
R0ME0	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:37:00 - [12] oh i remeber the days of these... i used to live in the said system a 0.1 just out of ney with a very nice 5/10 complex i use to raid it a few times a day with an old toon called TNVNU2.. then some pain in the arse farmers moved it, and more or less took over... 5-9x 3 month accounts trained to use battleships... not a lot you can do against that much fire power despite how new they are. What they use to do what move between two 5/10 complex's in the agrea right fater downtime, leave on of there guys on the 5th level, this spawns every 40-60mins and is worth 14mill on its on for the main tier. while the rest would finish it off. The guy would use a macro which would even cloack him, i remember one guy saying if you drop a can, he auto uncloacks, due to his macro etc.. The would then do checks though out the day for the Queen Hive on the scanner and call his buddies back and repeat the proccess, which nets you 100-200mill a trip plus all the spawns the guy who stays gets.. once i get my fleet of carriers i will be back , guarding the gate hehe Well I think its time for a confession!
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:48:00 - [13] It is surpricingly easy to find npc farmers in 0.0. I've lost count on how many I've killed.
1Of9 Gallente Artificial Horizons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:57:00 - [14] What happened to macro'ers? did ccp erased them?
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:17:00 - [15] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Baun Macro miners were/are bad, but Macro NPCers are FAR FAR FAR worse. These guys actually create new isk. Kinda thought the way NPC was designed would be hard to macro it unless you could use somthing like smartbombs or drones, but even your drones would die over time i would think. There are numerous macro ratters in 0.0 (providence ect.) and if you go to systems like motsu isenairos (sp) or any other mission hub you will find numerous macro mission runners as well
Sean Dillon Caldari FM Corp	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:04:00 - [16] What was wrong with macro's is that they screwed over high security mining for other players. They created an unreal mineral economy by overflooding us with them. Now the prices for pyerite and trit have risen, they are actualy more profiteble for high secure non macro miners. Ofcourse on the first hand this leads higher ship prices, but thats just a minor annoyance. Because on the otherh and more isk is injected to the miners, which in return will lead them to buying better mining equipment, encouring them to specialize in high secure mining. Leading to even more ore. What macro's do is make low end ores worthless, and screwing over awhole lot of hi sec mining corps with it.
1Of9 Gallente Artificial Horizons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Sean Dillon What was wrong with macro's is that they screwed over high security mining for other players. They created an unreal mineral economy by overflooding us with them. Now the prices for pyerite and trit have risen, they are actualy more profiteble for high secure non macro miners. Ofcourse on the first hand this leads higher ship prices, but thats just a minor annoyance. Because on the otherh and more isk is injected to the miners, which in return will lead them to buying better mining equipment, encouring them to specialize in high secure mining. Leading to even more ore. What macro's do is make low end ores worthless, and screwing over awhole lot of hi sec mining corps with it. yes, i know this, but everyone here talks like they where erased or something from eve... did ccp finnaly got into them?
Sean Dillon Caldari FM Corp	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:38:00 - [18] Originally by: 1Of9 Originally by: Sean Dillon What was wrong with macro's is that they screwed over high security mining for other players. They created an unreal mineral economy by overflooding us with them. Now the prices for pyerite and trit have risen, they are actualy more profiteble for high secure non macro miners. Ofcourse on the first hand this leads higher ship prices, but thats just a minor annoyance. Because on the otherh and more isk is injected to the miners, which in return will lead them to buying better mining equipment, encouring them to specialize in high secure mining. Leading to even more ore. What macro's do is make low end ores worthless, and screwing over awhole lot of hi sec mining corps with it. yes, i know this, but everyone here talks like they where erased or something from eve... did ccp finnaly got into them? I dont think so, you will still find them but less and less. I think the problem just moved over to complexes and 0.0 macro ratting. 0.0 ratting is more profiteble then mining. On the other hand you still have alot of the macroing ice which has big advantages. An ice field is hard to deplete thus the need to move around. And ice is always in demand as pos fuel.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:24:00 - [19] Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 02/01/2007 16:26:23 Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 02/01/2007 16:24:57 Originally by: R0ME0 oh i remeber the days of these... i used to live in the said system a 0.1 just out of ney with a very nice 5/10 complex i use to raid it a few times a day with an old toon called TNVNU2.. then some pain in the arse farmers moved it, and more or less took over... 5-9x 3 month accounts trained to use battleships... not a lot you can do against that much fire power despite how new they are. What they use to do what move between two 5/10 complex's in the agrea right fater downtime, leave on of there guys on the 5th level, this spawns every 40-60mins and is worth 14mill on its on for the main tier. while the rest would finish it off. The guy would use a macro which would even cloack him, i remember one guy saying if you drop a can, he auto uncloacks, due to his macro etc.. I'm rarely a spelling na*i but I had to read your ramble repeatedly to get an idea on what you might actually be trying to say. Please, even if you're not native English ... put some commas in there, and some capitalization wouldn't hurt either. And there, fixed: remember, used, was, complexes , area, after, one, their, own, cloak, uncloaks -- [21:54:01] BaroteToo > cheyenne shadowborn is an ore theiving dead puke if I catch him
Watje	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 02/01/2007 16:26:23 Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 02/01/2007 16:24:57 Originally by: R0ME0 oh i remeber the days of these... i used to live in the said system a 0.1 just out of ney with a very nice 5/10 complex i use to raid it a few times a day with an old toon called TNVNU2.. then some pain in the arse farmers moved it, and more or less took over... 5-9x 3 month accounts trained to use battleships... not a lot you can do against that much fire power despite how new they are. What they use to do what move between two 5/10 complex's in the agrea right fater downtime, leave on of there guys on the 5th level, this spawns every 40-60mins and is worth 14mill on its on for the main tier. while the rest would finish it off. The guy would use a macro which would even cloack him, i remember one guy saying if you drop a can, he auto uncloacks, due to his macro etc.. I'm rarely a spelling na*i but I had to read your ramble repeatedly to get an idea on what you might actually be trying to say. Please, even if you're not native English ... put some commas in there, and some capitalization wouldn't hurt either. And there, fixed: remember, used, was, complexes , area, after, one, their, own, cloak, uncloaks its easy when youre not english i got it the first time (i know no commas no capitalization)
Jas Dor	Posted - 2007.01.04 00:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Lilan Kahn ha i stil pay 1-2 isk per pye, max 2 isk per trit and abut 8 isk per mex and i can get it in MILLIONS hahaha 0.0 4tw Hum. Now that puts a new spin on the ISS IPO. So are you actually manufacturing and exporting items FROM 0.0?
Kesslan Osefice Panther's Paw Industries Ltd Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.04 06:20:00 - [22] It could be quite plausible in some areas. I remember seeing the crazy difference in prices of low end minerals in one area of 0.0 I was in a while back. Suffice it to say had I been able to dock at any of the stations there I'd have very promptly started running low end minerals out of 0.0 on a regular basis and running in the usual high demand items. __ These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp. These do not reflect offical corp views... wait. I'm the CEO, I guess they do.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.04 07:20:00 - [23] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Baun Macro miners were/are bad, but Macro NPCers are FAR FAR FAR worse. These guys actually create new isk. Kinda thought the way NPC was designed would be hard to macro it unless you could use somthing like smartbombs or drones, but even your drones would die over time i would think. Come to Venal some day. I challenge you not to find at least 5 of them within 4 jumps of h-pa. The Enemy's Gate is Down

Pirlouit Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.05 22:29:00 - [24] Ok folks, a few ground rules regarding macroers: a) it is against the eula and you get fined / banned for doing it. b) if you suspect someone from being a macroer or macromining please file a petition and the GMs will investigate it with the proper tools and take the appropriate measures. c) regarding macroers and low end mineral price: macroer "might" have an effect on the price of trit or pyer but at the end of the day it punish the starting players who are unable to make a decent living from the low end ores. forum rules \| email

Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.01.05 23:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Ramblin Man on 05/01/2007 23:43:19 Originally by: Pirlouit Ok folks, a few ground rules regarding macroers: [a & b) macroing is illegal in EVE - 'nuff said] c) regarding macroers and low end mineral price: macroer "might" have an effect on the price of trit or pyer but at the end of the day it punish the starting players who are unable to make a decent living from the low end ores. Equating Frigate mining with a couple tech 2 lasers to T2 Covetor/Hulk mining with strips and crystals is a bit of a disingenuous argument. I'd certainly question how much of the "increased low-end wealth" goes to the starting players.
Ankanos Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:38:00 - [26] they disappeared? -still plenty in my system/constellation. i steal from them as much as i can. -and kill. -i've noticed a few are allot more willing to attack a hauler or frig these days. -which is always nice :) -ank ---
Thews Mortaza Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.17 03:15:00 - [27] I call humbug. Forgive me, but while I'm sure the OP isn't really written to sound like the ranting of a myopic ignoramus, Macro miners are still in the game, (Yes, even though they're not meant to be) you know. The reason mineral prices have gone up is more likely due to the new BPO's released in Kali. Everyone wanting a new tier 2 BC or tier 3 BS is just a little mineral-intensive. In fact, I think prices spiked dramatically within mere hours of Kali going live on Tranquility. There is also the increase (?) in the scale of alliance conflicts driving up the prices, because as ships are destroyed new ones need to be built - and the market only has a finite capacity, macro miner scum input included in that figure or not ... I should point out, prices going up are actually good for many players. People who mine for a living are going to see an increase in returns, as are those with combined mining and production organisations. It isn't "doom and gloom" for all just because something goes up by 1 ISK. It is a market fluctuation. More significantly, there is also the end of the line effects of macro-mining that have to be thought about. Most macro-mining is usually linked to ISK selling, (A definate no-no) and this has the potential for certain consequential ramifications - which must be considered. Not just by CCP, but by other significant and relevent institutional powers. (Sig) Your momma so fat ... when I tried to scoop her to my cargo hold, she don't fit !

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