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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.11.30 03:07:00 -
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Has anyone flying a Vexor or Thorax ever managed to kill an MOA ?
I tested this on Chaos using the latest and best ship modules and weapons and in all my tests assuming both pilots wanted to kill the other and both were trying hard to do so... the MOA wins ! Thorax or Vexor with 3000-3600+ armor hp could only use 2 guns meanwhile MOA had 3 guns and 2 torpedo tubes and could stand-off 30 km and outrun both ships (1 v 1) to remain 30 km distant from the victim. And since 3 guns beats 2 guns the MOA could have killed either ship easily without using torpedos.
If any Vexor or Thorax lovers out there can share their tales in which they managed to actually kill an MOA pilot who wasn't completely inept I would love to hear about it... 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.30 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 30/11/2003 03:31:02
... Heavy drones? (i don't see how the Moa can outrun Thorax... the latter has higher base speed and more low slots so if both fit AFB/MWD, Thorax will be faster. Plus, how comes you can only fit 2 guns on the Thorax?..)
edit: you can fit 4 guns and 2 launchers on the Moa btw... but with good skills and setup you should be able to utilize all 5 turret hardpoints on the Thorax without much problem. o.O
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.11.30 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 30/11/2003 03:31:02
... Heavy drones? (i don't see how the Moa can outrun Thorax... the latter has higher base speed and more low slots so if both fit AFB/MWD, Thorax will be faster. Plus, how comes you can only fit 2 guns on the Thorax?..)
edit: you can fit 4 guns and 2 launchers on the Moa btw... but with good skills and setup you should be able to utilize all 5 turret hardpoints on the Thorax without much problem. o.O
Ship speed depends a lot on skills as it does on how the ship has been fitted... anyway, have you seen how fast and easy it is to take down a swarm of heavy combat drones with 1 or 2 torpedos ? Try it sometime on Chaos - only take 2 torpedos IF you catch the swarm of heavies just after they have been launched but while they are in-flight towards your ship. It might take 2-3 torpedos to kill all the heavies IF you allow them to reach your ship before taking action on them. Either way, MOA can have 2 torpedo tubes fitted so taking down heavies is not a concern.
We're not talking about launch the drones then warp away trick either - but we are talking about a knock-down drag-out fight between an MOA and a Vexor - feel free to fit both ships for the most damage - MOA seems to work best when fitted with 3 250 Proto Rails using Antimatter ammo + 2 H50 missile launchers with torpedos (all 4 types). I have tried Vexors fitted with Heavy Beams (mediums) and Multi-freq crystals but this leaves the Vexor with 3-4 RCU's and no damage mods. I have tried Vexors with only 2 guns so I can jack up the armor but even with 3000+ armor hp the Vexor is dead-meat since it just takes a few more torpedos to take down the armor after the shields are gone. I have tried Vexors with medium shield booster and 30% shield booster booster and yup the Vexor can try to keep the shields up a bit faster but in the long run the Vexor still dies since it just takes a few more torpedos to drain the shields and then you get damage seeping through into the armor then seeping into the structure.
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Alan Bell
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Posted - 2003.11.30 08:10:00 -
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y lasers on teh vexor? adn wat about teh thorax? adn btw......this si all hypothetical right? y dont u get a good fighter frmm ur corp to fly teh vexor/thorax, then test it.......the results are different. BTW Vexor is way cheaper than the moa, and is only a lvl 2 cruiser.
IMO, u dont even kno how to test at all
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Alan Bell
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Posted - 2003.11.30 08:11:00 -
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you probably dotn even use a good set up. and their is a difference from hypothosis and actually playin it out
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xeno calligan
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Posted - 2003.11.30 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: xeno calligan on 30/11/2003 08:16:20
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I have tried Vexors fitted with Heavy Beams (mediums) and Multi-freq crystals but this leaves the Vexor with 3-4 RCU's and no damage mods. I have tried Vexors with only 2 guns so I can jack up the armor but even with 3000+ armor hp the Vexor is dead-meat since it just takes a few more torpedos to take down the armor after the shields are gone. I have tried Vexors with medium shield booster and 30% shield booster booster and yup the Vexor can try to keep the shields up a bit faster but in the long run the Vexor still dies since it just takes a few more torpedos to drain the shields and then you get damage seeping through into the armor then seeping into the structure.
You're comparing a tier 2 cruiser to a tier 3? And you're using lasers on the Vexor, Discarding the +5% hybrid dmg/lvl bonus? And trying to tank the MOA in the vexor too? I think you're going about this the wrong way.
Use as many blasters as you can fit (ions, not neutron b/c of the grid reqs). Use a MWD to get close and do damage. Try using 50% shield hardeners (thermal, kinetic) too. And utilize the low slots properly; Get a few dmg mods, cap pwr relays and over drive injectors as needed. If you're loosing your drones to missile fire, why not try to stagger launch them? Or wait until you're reasonably close, before you launch.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2003.11.30 11:12:00 -
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Easy solution; Thorax with 5 heavy ion blasters, web + AB + medium shield booster + all cap relays in the low slots.
Add to this 4 Wasps and 4 Praetor drones.
Thorax wins. At all times.
/Nightfang - who made a livin off this setup (and PS, yes, I am the same guy)
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Namarus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 12:45:00 -
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Odd, never found a Moa I couldn't beat with a Thorax.
You have to remember to use your heavy combat drones.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.30 13:09:00 -
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"Ship speed depends a lot on skills as it does on how the ship has been fitted..."
Obviously, but with pilots of equal skills, the base speed of Thorax will be greater... plus, it has more low slots which can be spared for the hull modifiers, so it's more likely it will actually use them, thus increasing speed difference even more.
"anyway, have you seen how fast and easy it is to take down a swarm of heavy combat drones with 1 or 2 torpedos ? Try it sometime on Chaos - only take 2 torpedos IF you catch the swarm of heavies just after they have been launched but while they are in-flight towards your ship."
... Thorax is a close range combat cruiser i think -- it'll rather try to close the distance fast, webify you along the way to speed the process even further and launch the drones once it's on top of you and already firing all its blasters. Doing it this way would perhaps be faster than relying on the slow speed of the drones... and eliminates the phase where you can take out the drones easily. It also means if the Moa fires the torpedoes to try to destroy the enemy, there's fair chance it'll damage itself as well.
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.11.30 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Eltigre on 30/11/2003 15:57:13
Let me reiterate the conditions for this test :: this has been done on Chaos server using real live Vexor and Thorax against MOA (1 v 1)
MOA pilot had 3.5 millin skill pts
Vexor/Thorax pilot had 3 million skill pts
ALL weapons skillz were at L3 for the weapons actually used.
MOA :: 2 Proto 250 Rails (Antimatter Ammo) + 1 Normal 250 Rail (Antimatter Ammo) + 2 H-50 Missile Launchers (torpedos) + 2 AB's + Medium Shield Booster + 1 Medium Cap Battery + 3 RCU's + 1 9% ROF Hybrid Dmg Mod.
Vexor and Thorax were tested numerous ways both with as many Heavy Modulated Beams as possible or as many Medium Hybrid Proto's as possible or as much armor (3000-3600 hp armor) + 15% armor dmg resist modules (adaptive nano) with the goal to make either ship as tough as possible using the best equipment available on Chaos.
The Vexor and Thorax were packed full of Ogre and Preator drones (as many as will fit both ships). The MOA was able to completely kill ALL drones launched against it with 1-2 torpedos when the drones were targeted at attacked immediately after being launched or 2-3 torpedos if the MOA waited until the drones began attacking the MOA and the drones had fanned out around the MOA.
ALL tests were conducted at 30 km distant with both ships set to orbit each other. This distance was sslected because the MOA's Rails had optimal range at 25 km which was just outside the 20k optimal range of the Vexor/Thorax. I considered this a fair test because the MOA knew it wanted to kill the other ships and because of this intent the MOA was used at its most lethal range. Also the Vexor or Thorax would want to maintain a 20k range or closer but since the MOA was actually faster than either the Vexor or Thorax the MOA was easily able to maintain the 30 km range. The Vexor/Thorax pilot had better Navigation skills but neither Vexor/Thorax was able to fit enough AB's to be faster than the MOA.
The bottom line was that no matter how the Vexor or Thorax were fitted neither ship was able to defeat an MOA (1 v 1) and the MOA was able to nearly destroy either ship using Rails alone (as fitted above).
Bottom line is that Heavy combat drones are useless when used against a torpedo-weilding ship. If you want to use drones then use them against a non-torpedo weilding ship otherwise unless the MOA or BlackBird pilot is an inept idiot your heavies are dead real fast.
All tests were done until the Vexor/Thorax pilot was dead and pod-killed (relax this was Chaos remember). All tests were conducted in PF-346 system (0.0 space).
In ALL tests the MOA took minimal shield damage that was esily repaired using the medium shield booster.
Personally, I own both a Vexor and a Thorax and an MOA and after seeing these live-fire tests done I have insured my MOA and parked my Vexor and Thorax until Texh 2 refits can be done. 
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2003.11.30 16:07:00 -
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Conclusion of this test; put even the best of ships in the hand of someone who simply doesn't know how to fly them and it boils down to that the smarter pilot prevails.
Try fitting the Thorax with 5 heavy ions and get in close. And believe me, if you want to you CAN be faster than the Moa - Caldari ships are heavy and sluggish.
The end result will be a dead Moa. Take if from someone who has killed and podkilled a number of them (on TQ, don't worry)
/Nightfang
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xeno calligan
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Posted - 2003.11.30 16:23:00 -
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Rather than concluding that "MOA is better than vexor/thorax", the lessons you should learn about the vexor/thorax are:
- They are not armor tanks
- Launching all drones in one go from far away is a bad idea
- Speed matters; Being forced outside your window of high damage potential is a bad situation to be in
- They work poorly with lasers and no damage bonus
- Using only hybrid protos and not utilizing all your hardpoints is a bad idea -- generally, weapons have a worse DPS/grid ratio as the grid reqs increase (you get less DPS for the grid spent). To optimize damage, you should fill all your hardpoints with the "best" weapons possible
Seriously, do try some of the suggestions above before writing off the best gallente cruisers.
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Namarus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 17:13:00 -
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Doh, someone uses torpedos, and you stayed 30kms away?
Are you nuts?????
You should have immediately closed the range and let them have some splash damage. Then the neutron blasters would have spoken.
Sorry mate, but your just doing combat properly.
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.11.30 20:29:00 -
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Conclusion of this test; put even the best of ships in the hand of someone who simply doesn't know how to fly them and it boils down to that the smarter pilot prevails.
Try fitting the Thorax with 5 heavy ions and get in close. And believe me, if you want to you CAN be faster than the Moa - Caldari ships are heavy and sluggish.
The end result will be a dead Moa. Take if from someone who has killed and podkilled a number of them (on TQ, don't worry)
/Nightfang
Yeah, like I would allow a Vexor or Thorax with 5 heavy ions get close enough to be within weapons range... - lol Letting any ship get withn 20 km is suicide not to mention just plain stupid ! - lol
I do appreciate hearing how player pirates score their kills but... if someone allows any ship within warp scramble range they should be pod-killed just for being stupid !
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.30 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 30/11/2003 20:48:19
"Yeah, like I would allow a Vexor or Thorax with 5 heavy ions get close enough to be within weapons range... - lol Letting any ship get withn 20 km is suicide not to mention just plain stupid ! - lol"
... See, the trick is, as the Thorax pilot you'll have to put together a setup which will allow you to do just that -- come within close range to the other ship so you can use your guns. No matter if the other pilot 'would allow' that, or not.
It can be done, and it is being done -- you can find quite a number of tips how in this very thread.
"I do appreciate hearing how player pirates score their kills but... if someone allows any ship within warp scramble range they should be pod-killed just for being stupid !"
... So, just how you prevent that other pilot from warping out when you intend to kill them? :s
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.11.30 21:37:00 -
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Hint: There is a module named "microwarpdrive".
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Blueface
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Posted - 2003.11.30 23:33:00 -
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lmao, this has got to be the most ridiculous comparison of 2 cruisers i have ever heard of, seems to me that you have conducted this test with all the advantages going to the moa,
test was done with both ships orbiting each other at 30km??
all this proves is that 2 ships slugging it out at 30km the moa will win, wow nice test
when i run my thorax i can fit either 5x 250mm rail guns or 5x heavy blasters, then you also have space for 8 heavy drones in that beutifull drone bay, it is probably the most agressive of the cruisers in EVE and it certainly would not attack by sitting 30km from his prey.
if you want to test out the 2 ships, then mail me ingame and ill be glad to meet you in 0.0 space for another test
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.12.01 01:06:00 -
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lmao, this has got to be the most ridiculous comparison of 2 cruisers i have ever heard of, seems to me that you have conducted this test with all the advantages going to the moa,
test was done with both ships orbiting each other at 30km??
all this proves is that 2 ships slugging it out at 30km the moa will win, wow nice test
when i run my thorax i can fit either 5x 250mm rail guns or 5x heavy blasters, then you also have space for 8 heavy drones in that beutifull drone bay, it is probably the most agressive of the cruisers in EVE and it certainly would not attack by sitting 30km from his prey.
if you want to test out the 2 ships, then mail me ingame and ill be glad to meet you in 0.0 space for another test
Okies - so I finally get it ! Thorax or Vexor player killers like to get up close and personal - no probs, MOA has 4 turret slots too so this gives the Thorax the only slight advantage in gun fire-power but those short range weapons do not score kills at more than 20 km so the strategy for the MOA is to remain at least 30 km away from the Thorax or Vexor, if possible.
I can tell us all one thing... even with AB Nav skills at L3 with Vexor/Thorax AB Nav skills at L4 the MOA can match the Vexor/Thorax speed by using 2 AB's plus one Overdrive Injector so once the MOA is staying even with Vexor/Thorax and is 30 km distant the MOA should still win.
BTW - 0.0 space isn't safe, so you won't find me there anytime soon - lol !
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.01 01:36:00 -
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"I can tell us all one thing... even with AB Nav skills at L3 with Vexor/Thorax AB Nav skills at L4 the MOA can match the Vexor/Thorax speed by using 2 AB's plus one Overdrive Injector so once the MOA is staying even with Vexor/Thorax and is 30 km distant the MOA should still win."
... Will let myself quote the wise one from this thread:
There is a module named "microwarpdrive"
plus, the Afterburner skill only makes usage of afterburner more economical. For speed boost you want Acceleration Control skill, Navigation skill and everything which increases the agility of your ship: Evasive Maneuvering, Spaceship Command and whatever modules that ain't currently broken. :s
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archangel sean
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Posted - 2003.12.01 07:54:00 -
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why do I get the feeling this guy is a noob with a big mouth. I usually don't like flaming, but I just couldn't help it. Sorry :)
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.12.01 10:05:00 -
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MOA :: 2 Proto 250 Rails (Antimatter Ammo) + 1 Normal 250 Rail (Antimatter Ammo) + 2 H-50 Missile Launchers (torpedos) + 2 AB's + Medium Shield Booster + 1 Medium Cap Battery + 3 RCU's + 1 9% ROF Hybrid Dmg Mod.
Vexor and Thorax were tested numerous ways both with as many Heavy Modulated Beams as possible or as many Medium Hybrid Proto's as possible or as much armor (3000-3600 hp armor) + 15% armor dmg resist modules (adaptive nano) with the goal to make either ship as tough as possible using the best equipment available on Chaos.
1. That MOA loadout will get you killed faster than the time required for a concord battleship to nuke an Ibis.
2. Heavy modulated beams?!?! Rails?!? 2 Turrets on the Thorax? A Thorax can easily load 5 turrets and have enough spare grid to load anything else you might need to complete a viable pvp loadout.
3. If flown by pilots of equal skill: the Thorax can completely outdamage the MOA without even using a single scout drone. The Thorax has the highest DoT value of all cruisers in game.
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Yeah, like I would allow a Vexor or Thorax with 5 heavy ions get close enough to be within weapons range... - lol Letting any ship get withn 20 km is suicide not to mention just plain stupid ! - lol
M I C R O W A R P D R I V E!
If a MOA fits a MWD as well then:
1. Forget about using rails. Firing at 400+ m/s you wouldn't even hit a 500k radius Scordite rock.
2. Stop to fire? Thorax gets within 10km, web and its bye bye.
3. MWD around firing Torps or Cruises? Thorax will simply warp away if he can't outrun MOA or the Missiles.
4. Fit ECM+scrambler on med slots? Thorax MWDs to 20km and waves goodbye. Fit ECM+MWD+SCRAMBLER? Thorax hugs you, to avoid torps and cruises, and lets the drones finish off the halved shields and pathetic armor+structure.
There are loadouts that the MOA can use to actually kill a Thorax and not simply force it to flee but with current loadouts used for the MOA in 80% of the cases it's either gonna be dead MOA or no victor.
Anyway after all this is said ... 1 v 1 remains the worst way to see what see is better.
P.S. Any Gallente that ever fit a laser on a Thorax, Megathron or Dominix should be processed and recycled into protein delicacies.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.01 15:33:00 -
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In answer to the somewhat bizarre question...
err, yes. Many times.
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Lentia
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Posted - 2003.12.01 19:57:00 -
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Eltigre,
You are a moron. Not only did u conduct a poor test, but you did not reach the proper conclusions from the test you did. Your answers are in the posts above, fit Thorax with 5 nuetron blasters close in to 5km with ab and then release drones.
BTW, for the anti-laser poster, I use Tachyons on my Megatrhon for farming and it works great. I will switch back to rails once the ammo and tracking get fixed....
Lentia
Military Officer
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.12.01 20:14:00 -
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lmao, this has got to be the most ridiculous comparison of 2 cruisers i have ever heard of, seems to me that you have conducted this test with all the advantages going to the moa,
test was done with both ships orbiting each other at 30km??
all this proves is that 2 ships slugging it out at 30km the moa will win, wow nice test
when i run my thorax i can fit either 5x 250mm rail guns or 5x heavy blasters, then you also have space for 8 heavy drones in that beutifull drone bay, it is probably the most agressive of the cruisers in EVE and it certainly would not attack by sitting 30km from his prey.
if you want to test out the 2 ships, then mail me ingame and ill be glad to meet you in 0.0 space for another test
Okies - so I finally get it ! Thorax or Vexor player killers like to get up close and personal - no probs, MOA has 4 turret slots too so this gives the Thorax the only slight advantage in gun fire-power but those short range weapons do not score kills at more than 20 km so the strategy for the MOA is to remain at least 30 km away from the Thorax or Vexor, if possible.
I can tell us all one thing... even with AB Nav skills at L3 with Vexor/Thorax AB Nav skills at L4 the MOA can match the Vexor/Thorax speed by using 2 AB's plus one Overdrive Injector so once the MOA is staying even with Vexor/Thorax and is 30 km distant the MOA should still win.
BTW - 0.0 space isn't safe, so you won't find me there anytime soon - lol !
Absolutely absurd. First of all your a Miner trying to tell PvP'ers what **** is better and why. Second of all, NO SHIP is better than another if the pilot has his whitts about them. A Breacher can PK a MOA if they have the proper skills.
With the what your thread has shown is your foolishness in combat. Futhermore, it doesn't mean someone is a Pirate cause they have a few Pod Kills under their belt. I hunt Pirates to make skies safe for you miners.... so if I blast a few ships to hell... am I a pirate ?
Go to sleep kid.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.12.01 20:17:00 -
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OK another thing I would like to add...
WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE PVP WITH NAMED EQUIPMENT?
You could have had half a dominix for the price of that MOA with its guns and Mods. I know its Chaos and the risk won't hurt you bad... but thats not a basis for a REAL comparison. Use Stock components like most will in PvP on Tranquility. With That comparison ... hell exchange MOA with Celestis and compare to the Vexor Thorax.... Then Bellicose... then... then... then... foolish foolish thread.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.12.01 20:34:00 -
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*ehem* I am using named equipment in PVP. Sure, it's expansive to replace, but it gives you an edge. 4 rare dampeners are a LOT more effecient than 4 common.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2003.12.01 22:06:00 -
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Kaylon, I couldn't agree more with your post but one thing: the named equipment thingy.
I use the equipment worth half that Dominix on my Thorax, but the thing is it helped me bring a Dominix down once.
Dominix vs. Thorax. Thorax won, though barely. Now there's something you wouldn't expect, and it wouldn't have worked if it wouldn't have been for those Modal Ion Particles 
/Nightfang
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.12.01 22:29:00 -
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Eltigre,
You are a moron. Not only did u conduct a poor test, but you did not reach the proper conclusions from the test you did. Your answers are in the posts above, fit Thorax with 5 nuetron blasters close in to 5km with ab and then release drones.
BTW, for the anti-laser poster, I use Tachyons on my Megatrhon for farming and it works great. I will switch back to rails once the ammo and tracking get fixed....
Right, "I" must be a moron to think if I were in an MOA I would allow a Thorax or any other ship to close to within 5 km just so the Thorax could hit my MOA with 5 short-range weapons and a mess of drones - lol.
I tried this Thorax always kills MOA technique on Chaos and I found out the following :
1). Thorax can't even scratch an MOA at any more than 5 km - 10 km let alone kill it so the Thorax would have to get very very close to a MOA to kill it this way.
2). MOA with 3 AB's and an overdrive low-slot can easily outrun a Thorax that's got 2 AB's and a shield booster - MOA has 4 med slots so unless the Thorax is using an MWD to get in close and stay in close the Thorax ain't gotta stay in-close to an MOA with 1 more AB fitted than the Thorax has - assuming the Thorax pilot has L4 AB skills and the MOA has L3 AB skills.
3). Assuming the MOA pilot isn't asleep, which let's face it you gotta pay attention out there... even if the MOA only has as little as 80 m/sec speed advantage the MOA will pull out ahead of the Thorax within 60 secs and will be well away from the Thorax's drones fast tnough to avoid losing shields (gotta use the shield booster - so what !) and the Thorax is dead.
Someone wanna meet in on Chaos to test this out then I'd love to see how a Thorax is gonna get close enough to my MOA unless I am mining - with an MOA !?! Or I just warped to a gate or just warped to a planet or moon or whatever - hit the AB's and get speed up to 567 m/sec and watch the Thorax get smaller meanwhile it makes a feeble attempt to use short-range weapons and drones that cannot fly fast enough to keep up.
Maybe all you Thorax driving pirates are killing feeble-minded noobs in them MOA's you been killing cux they don't realize just how close they gotta let the Thorax get to be deadly or they freeze up and forget to move away or they don't realize they need more than 1 AB or they don't realize they need an MWD while in 0.0 space or whatever... either way it don't take much to remain alive in 0.0 space unless you being killed at a JIP while unable to fight back or move.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2003.12.01 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nightfang on 01/12/2003 22:40:32
Well if you are so d.a.r.n sure about that setup of yers come meet me in TQ instead.
My setup will be for a Thorax;
*5 Modal Ion Blasters with Antimatter ammo
*1 Stasis Web
*1 MWD
*1 C5-L Medium Shield Booster
*4 Cap Power Relays
*1 Magnetic Vortex 1
Now as I said, if you are so d.a.r.n.e.d sure of your setup, come kill me and prove your point. If you're not, please be silent and leave the PvP to the PvP:ers, will ya?
I'm so tired of trolls like this one. This time I can prove for one of you TQ experience wins the race versus Chaos n00bery.
/Nightfang
Edit: I will also have 4 x Praetors and 4 x Wasps, of course
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.01 22:40:00 -
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"2). MOA with 3 AB's and an overdrive low-slot can easily outrun a Thorax that's got 2 AB's and a shield booster"
... And Thorax with one or more overdrives in its low slots and 3 AFB's (or simply one MWD, or the MWD+AFB if you want to be sure) will outrun the Moa.
In other words, what's your point?
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