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Meleena Ruin Exercitus Ruina	Posted - 2007.01.03 16:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Meleena Ruin on 03/01/2007 17:17:18 We have a severe problem with lag and performance issues on Tranquility. Just look at Jita that host 500-1000 characters at any given time. I roam the north (mainly the Forge and 0.0), and I have noticed for the past year how many macro miner operations are going on. Also, there is a huge level of noob corp, 3 month old, hauler drones doing something suspicious in northern part of The Forge up near Osaa. Along with their less than a month old fleet of noob corp caracal pilots. Every time I approach a group of these miners/haulers/caracal pilots they are always from east Asia (China mainly.) I've even had some of them admit to me they work for a "boss" who sells iskies and items on eBay or other online sites. My belief to make our playing experience much better is to force anyone who plays on Tranquility from China or the surrounding countries over there (Koreas, Japan.. wherever) to play on the China server. It would probably cut 25-30% of our player base on Tranquility. A pilot could probably actually go to Jita and be able to get in and out without too much lag. I would love to not see a huge, nasty macro operation going on in every system I go to where I live. I don't understand how CCP can turn a blind eye to the exploitation. Thanks for the consideration and attention.
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.03 16:54:00 - [2] Edited by: Verus Potestas on 03/01/2007 16:54:17 Forcing anyone to do anything is bad. Why do people from Korea or Japan have any less right to play on TQ than Americans or Australians? edit: and if the answer is a variation on "funny eyes", you lose all respect. --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Damon Ra	Posted - 2007.01.03 16:56:00 - [3] Damon Ra hands Meleena Ruin a flamesuit and a 4-pack of Heat dissipation amp II's.
Reverie X4 Gallente M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:01:00 - [4] Not every Asian player is a macroer.
Meleena Ruin Exercitus Ruina	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:02:00 - [5] It doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity, it has to do with performance of TQ. Why did CCP bother putting a new gaming server over in China anyway? They should play on that and keep their macro mining/hauling/mission running so they can violate the EULA by selling iskies/items on eBay butts off of TQ. Dude, for over a year I have investigated this and every macro op in the Forge that I have run into fit the same profile. 1) Usually from China or one of the surrounding countries 2) Always have something odd about their name 3) 1 person runs 5 accounts or more to mine/haul/mission run to violate the EULA by selling stuff in RL 4) Never able to speak English (not that its bad but its the profile) 5) Suck up the ore in every system thereby flooding the market and bringing down prices of minerals 6) I can't even begin to imagine the impact all of this has on manufacturing etc 7) Causes performance issues because they congregate in the main systems while they wait to go out macroing I could go on and on...
RopeADope Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:03:00 - [6] No, CCP should change freakin' AuotPilot to remove Jita....almost every route takes you right through Jita, and they should also remove all belts, and agents. True this is the largest market hub, and ppl are here to shop, but do the above, and the lag would diminish.
Meleena Ruin Exercitus Ruina	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:21:00 - [7] Another reason they should play on the China server: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453812
Olixia Castitatis Gallente Svefn-G-Englar	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:30:00 - [8] Lolnub? The Asian guys you see mining in belts in high sec are not real players, they are ISK sellers. If you started a seperate Asian shard, all the real asian players would go there/quit eve, but all the ISK farmers would find a way to continue mining on TQ. ----------------------- <Sig goes here>
Silver Lady Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:31:00 - [9] Edited by: Silver Lady on 03/01/2007 17:32:00 Originally by: Verus Potestas Edited by: Verus Potestas on 03/01/2007 16:54:17 Forcing anyone to do anything is bad. Why do people from Korea or Japan have any less right to play on TQ than Americans or Australians? edit: and if the answer is a variation on "funny eyes", you lose all respect. Forget korea or Japan. People from China should be playing the CHINA server, it was made for them, yet most of them play here, as can be seen by the low player count on the chinese server. Surely the company that partners with CCP to run the EVE china server is going to get a bit miffed soon enough and demand CCP take action such as barring chinese players from TQ and giving them the option of having their characters transfered to EVE china. Here we are with the TQ server that can barely handle the huge player numbers, whilst EVE china is being massively underused. They might want to do something about that.
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Meleena Ruin Another reason they should play on the China server: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453812 How exactly does that affect you? That affects people who use those cables. If they can't connect they're not even gonna be TRYING to get into jita or anything else, thus voiding your point. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer

Meleena Ruin Exercitus Ruina	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Kharakan Originally by: Meleena Ruin Another reason they should play on the China server: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453812 How exactly does that affect you? That affects people who use those cables. If they can't connect they're not even gonna be TRYING to get into jita or anything else, thus voiding your point. They do have connectivity as the post said, but less that 56k speed. So they get on TQ in that state and drag it down making it suck for the rest of us. Did you even bother reading that thread? Thanks.
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:56:00 - [12] I can't see anywhere in the thread my question was answered. So, O Master Networker, do explain to me how someone having a slow connection drags the rest of us down =/ this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Curzon Dax Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.03 17:56:00 - [13] note I happen to speak Chinese, be friends with some farmers, and exploit their lack of market economics gleefully. With that said....I have to agree with the OP. A global community is not a bad thing. However, a single shard without the performance capability to support that global community is a bad thing. Its quite easy to have players play where you want them to. You install Eve Online, and when you connect to Eve, your IP address dictates the appropriate server for you. If your IP address is based in China, you get routed to the Chinese server. Its that easy. And before any self-righteous, pompous munchkins post here about "How dare you be ethnocentric" come to Nanjin in Jiangsu and tell me yourself. I'll give you directions.
Petrothian Tong	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:02:00 - [14] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 03/01/2007 18:04:43 1st time flaming...ever.. (but truely, I had been annoyed at the nasty attitudes toward Chinese people INGAME AND FORUM....Quite frankly, I had enough... of all the MMOs, Eve have the most ignorant/racist players ever. and sad thing is, it is not always been like this.) Oh f*ck off man(OP).... I am CHINESE, I LIVE in CANADA... I SPEAK Cantonese, mandarin, ENGLISH, and FRENCH! and to say in your title that Chinese people should be moved to China server is just damn ....ARGH stupid/ignorant/almost racist. you can go to hell if you really think all CHINESE people should go to Serenity just cause they are Fricken CHINESE man.... (yes, Chinese is an ancestral Origin, if you still cant understand it. think of it this way, how about if someone say that all Cacausian have to do blah blah blah?...) I am about to have it with the eve community. grow up! Dont like farmers? sucide them!!! is within the mechanics! petition them, heck just afew weeks ago alot of macro acounts got banned. took awhile, bt they did it. Want to curb them ever futher? make CCP sue Ebay/isk sellers. no demand = no need for a supply... but the OP...Argh, it makes my blood boil... (the above anger is provoked by op post and the attitude in game and forum. if you gonna flame me back, make sure you think of a well thoughtout arguement on how/why I should Bear the abuse and take it up the arse. thank you.) Edit: now, if the op do it by geographically, then maybe yes. the PEOPLE living in the People Republic of China then maybe should be on the Chinese Server.. HOWEVER, you need an PROC ID to sign up. which people in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and several other places in/near China do not have, those people only got tranquality to play on.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:02:00 - [15] Well theres one very good reason why Chinese players should be on the China server, and non-Chinese players (including Japanese, Korean, Australian and what have you) should not be forced to. If I understand it correctly, in China there is a legal limit on the number of hours you can play online any given day, which applies to all MMO servers based in China. This is the reason CCP created a China server- to comply to this law. Chinese players cannot legally play on a server without a limit, so all Chinese players should be on Serenity. In Japan, for example, no such law exists- forcing Japanese players to play under that law is an act of cruelty. -----------------------------------------------
Drakonei	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Olixia Castitatis Lolnub? The Asian guys you see mining in belts in high sec are not real players, they are ISK sellers. If you started a seperate Asian shard, all the real asian players would go there/quit eve, but all the ISK farmers would find a way to continue mining on TQ. She obviously knows whats shes saying :D Bar the Chinese players, and your just going to get rid of the honest ones. The dishonest ones will simply take more drastic measures to get access anyway. CCP should, of course, take action against macro'ers (who violate the EULA), and those who sell isk for RL money (also against EULA). But simply banning the chinese isnt going to do it.
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:12:00 - [17] Report them and bring proof that they're a) from China, b) macro-mining and c) Isk-sellers. And while we're at it, why not add coloured people, human beings speaking Spanish and those with green eyes to the list, not to mention those with disabilities like female reproductive organs. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Trem Sinval Sinval Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Petrothian Tong if you gonna flame me back, make sure you think of a well thoughtout arguement on how/why I should Bear the abuse and take it up the arse. Hands you the Vaseline Because the OP doesn't advocate Chinese players play on the China server, but rather players that play from a Chinese IP address. Let the people who live in, and connect from, China, play on the dedicated server there. Not relocation of all Chinese people on TQ. While I continue to mysteriously avoid any of these lag issues others seem to be having, I have had problems in the past with macro miners. They went into a nice petition, which from all appearances is still open-but-has-probably-been-forgotten. Maybe I should start suiciding them, and then petition for my sec status back? - Trem
Petrothian Tong	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:19:00 - [19] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 03/01/2007 18:19:52 then the op should have said in title: people live in the people in the republics of China should do so... Cause quite frankly, I consider myself Chinese, I live in Canada though, heck, the people in Hong Kong are Chinese, they dont have PROC ID, dont use Chinese to describe geographiclly, use Citizens of China instead. as for lag, code optimalization and more hardware is the better choice.
Meursault Tena	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Tachy Report them and bring proof that they're a) from China, b) macro-mining and c) Isk-sellers. And while we're at it, why not add coloured people, human beings speaking Spanish and those with green eyes to the list, not to mention those with disabilities like female reproductive organs. Good point. The larger issue is with macromining and selling for money. It's an issue that transcends race, or even geographic location. Rather than blanket kick an entire populace, why not work on solving an issue we've been struggling with as it is?

Levin Milraco	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Meursault Tena Originally by: Tachy Report them and bring proof that they're a) from China, b) macro-mining and c) Isk-sellers. And while we're at it, why not add coloured people, human beings speaking Spanish and those with green eyes to the list, not to mention those with disabilities like female reproductive organs. Good point. The larger issue is with macromining and selling for money. It's an issue that transcends race, or even geographic location. Rather than blanket kick an entire populace, why not work on solving an issue we've been struggling with as it is? thank you, this guy actually put thought in it.
Dmian Gallente Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:22:00 - [22] My two cents: Why not make an american server also, so americans can leave our beloved european server alone? On the other side, there are a bunch of japanese online games only for japanese. They'll block any non-japanese IP from entering. It does not help that the japanese are probably one of the raciest countries in the world either... Why are you bothering with this? Leave the server management to CCP. After all they know what they're doing. Regards.
Josho Tsunetumo Caldari V for Vendetta	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:25:00 - [23] Edited by: Josho Tsunetumo on 03/01/2007 18:26:11 Could we move the OP to the Chinese server please? PS: I would also like a Wallis and Futuna server to be opened kthxbye. Edit: spelling, optic cable crush made my fingers lag.
Petrothian Tong	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Meursault Tena Originally by: Tachy Report them and bring proof that they're a) from China, b) macro-mining and c) Isk-sellers. And while we're at it, why not add coloured people, human beings speaking Spanish and those with green eyes to the list, not to mention those with disabilities like female reproductive organs. Good point. The larger issue is with macromining and selling for money. It's an issue that transcends race, or even geographic location. Rather than blanket kick an entire populace, why not work on solving an issue we've been struggling with as it is? see, if the op said that, I wouldnt have flamed/whatever... but yeah, that I can agree with.. and yeah, the whole Branding Chinese people thing is getting really really old... is as bad as saying "Blacks(africans) are criminals" or "Irish are drunks", "british have bad teeth" and "americans are gun-totting cowboys" and "people of arabic descent being terrorist."
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Josho Tsunetumo Could we move the OP to the Chinese server please? Agreed. I would laugh --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Josho Tsunetumo Caldari V for Vendetta	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:37:00 - [26] BTW, tonight I'm cooking fried noodles with roasted chicken (couldnt find duck :( )Will you petition me to be moved out of TQ? Am I a macroer? I'm a noodle macroer they're so yummy yummy /me goes back to the kitchen.
Meleena Ruin Exercitus Ruina	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:39:00 - [27] Edited by: Meleena Ruin on 03/01/2007 18:42:38 Originally by: Petrothian Tong Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 03/01/2007 18:08:53 1st time flaming...ever.. (but truely, I had been annoyed at the nasty attitudes toward Chinese people INGAME AND FORUM....Quite frankly, I had enough... of all the MMOs, Eve have the most ignorant/racist players ever. and sad thing is, it is not always been like this.) . Dude, this thread, just as I said before has nothing to do with race. Did you read the entire thread before you started your reply? Sad. I am not racist. I am a mix from blood lines spanning the globe (as I have researched my family history), and I am married to someone from another "ethnic" background. I have no problem with people from asian heritage. I think race is a man made divisive thing anyway, we are all one race and one people in my opinion. This thread is about peformance issues on TQ. Lower the player population it will help. Eve China is a perfect opportunity to do so. I'd be happy to have 4 servers. One for N. and S. America, one for Europe and its neighbors, one for those not living in China and live in the east, and one for those who live in China. That would be much better imo. Peace and love. :) P.S. I changed the thread title to reflect your concerns.
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Petrothian Tong Oh f*ck off man(OP).... I am CHINESE, I LIVE in CANADA... I SPEAK Cantonese, mandarin, ENGLISH, and FRENCH! You need to work on your understanding, this is nothing to do with race, it's about location. ------
Doctor Muffin	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:49:00 - [29] 1. I am American, living in Taiwan. To my understanding the chinese server is in the chinese language. If that is so I am screwed under your proposal, as well as hundreds of other non chinese that play from the area. MMO are the most common source of entertainment for expats. 2. Yes, we all are "gun toting" :P 3. If you wanna lesson the lag and equalize the various factors of the game, move BoB to the chinese server. :P
Josho Tsunetumo Caldari V for Vendetta	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:49:00 - [30] "EvE China", Serenity to call it by it's real name, has been opened due to political reasons, national lawsand the will for CCP to expand EvE's market and player base in the People's Republic of China. It wasnt for playability, if that was for "playability only", we would have a sharded MMO like others, and we wouldnt witness the investments CCP has done and is still doing in hardware components. Disclaimer: I'm not CCP's attorney, only a regular customer.



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