Feel free to try stuff out but do realise that the test server is a bit silly, everyone uses super expensive implants and whatnot, because they can. And then there's the sad people who actually live/pvp there, in a fleet killing solo ppl trying or testing stuff. It's as terrible as it sounds so do use the test server but realise it's not necessarily like TQ at all.

personally what i would do is go fw and learn to frigate pvp then hit nullsec when you feel like you know a thing or 2

... i only care for my pirate standings personally.

ill help you build up your angel cartel standings if you need

So with what's trained, which areas of space would be suitable?

I'm also considering trying the test server assuming people actually use it. Is it a mirror of the Eve universe or a much smaller one?

Trying to stay away from FW, mainly because of the standing with the 4 races. Although like yourself people do say it a good place to learn.

Note: Didn't add drones as they're only at 56k sp and will be trained at a later date, when I've switched attributes.

The test server is good to test fits, tank, PvE, mechanics, flying a ship in general. There is also a 1:1 channel where you can negotiate a duel. But for learning PvP it's not that suitable because the element of "real" loss is a crucial aspect, not existing on SiSi.

I think that depends on the person, for instance having the risk of loss won't make me try harder as even without the risk, I'll try to keep the character/ship in one piece.

True, but the adrenaline induced heart pounding/hands shaking when you are actually being shot at is rarely experienced when you ass is not really on the line.

I agree with Tipia on this, you can test mechanics and fittings to no end but PvP in eve is usually chaotic and nothing goes as planned. Knowing the probabilities of success because you know the mechanics gives you an edge, but if you forget to switch on your shield hardener because of tunnel vision SiSi can't help you. In the beginning the information you need to process for a desired outcome in an evenly matched fight is overwhelming - also the smaller the ship the more information you need to process. Velocity, distance, optimal range, tracking, ranges, transversal velocity etc.. it takes time to realize which is useful in what fight and which are just cluttering up you overview.

Shooting non NPC spaceships is learning by failure and sadly it is a culture that is in decline, my advice is usually go learn the mechanics and items on SiSi and then join a like minded group and learn on the fly. - small gangs preferably because everybody can press F1 in a big fleet but you contribution is crucial in a small gang.

You can read all the guides you want, at some stage you need to innovate to become a good pilot - try things do things differently that is how you become truly a dangerous spaceship - be unpredictable!

Good luck!

Small pirate gangs could be a possibility, still looking at Curse for a home base. I'm sure an NPC station there will put me up. Although getting out of the front door could be interesting.

Adrenaline induced heart pounding, doesn't really sound like me. Even one of my nieces a little while back asked me why I never get annoyed. Still that in itself could be interesting, just to see what my reaction is.

you have almost twice the SP I had when I joined RvB as a newbie.

you have more SP than I had when I moved to a 0.0 alliance.

I think that depends on the person, for instance having the risk of loss won't make me try harder as even without the risk, I'll try to keep the character/ship in one piece.

Certainly getting nearer, there's 4 books I have in the station hanger, I'd like to train first, the two laser spec ones, should be able to start those within the next 24 hours. Then there's rocket spec. and light missile spec. Once those are trained there are no more books that I can train for frigates except for t2 hulls and I've already trained interceptors to level 3.

I should be able to fit any t1 frigate with any t1 and a lot of t2 modules. Which of course gives me a lot of choice as to how I fit a ship, which was the purpose. So fly what's available, fit it with what's available.

I should be able to fit any t1 frigate with any t1 and a lot of t2 modules. Which of course gives me a lot of choice as to how I fit a ship, which was the purpose. So fly what's available, fit it with what's available.

OK, in the world of T1 frigates we have a couple of truly stellar support options that should be welcomed by pretty much any small gang.

1: The Maulus, hands down one of the most dangerous little support vessels in the game, well capable of shutting down heavy hitters.

2: The Vigil, any missile using gang should welcome a newbie Vigil pilot. Sit at range and be amazed as you add ~15-20% to your gang's damage output. The Navy Vigil, when it's released, will be a little powerhouse of a ship. 15km meta webs and target painting!

If you broaden your horizons a little to include the Navy and Pirate frigates then there's a plethora of potent little hulls for you to try.

1: Federation Navy Comet. It's fast and it can pack a hell of a wallop along with a half decent tank.

2: Imperial Navy Slicer. Lots of damage output at decent kiting ranges.

3: Angel Cartel Dramiel. Goes like stink even without lots of speed mods, can be run in a dual prop setup (MWD and Afterburner), and possibly the best tackle frigate in the game with plenty of GTFO'ability when things go wrong (IMHO). Selectable, non capacitor draining damage output is just extra gravy. A little on the pricey side.

Experience always wins out over skill points in this game.

The surest way to not get experience is waiting around in high sec for skills to train.

If you would like to know what fate awaits those who think skill points and tech wins watch the below video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k
I'll give the highlights for you. An experienced player on a 2 week old alt takes on 3 interceptors piloted by years old characters and kills 2 of them.

I've mainly done it this way, because there isn't really anything I want to do in high-sec. Usually it ends up giving negative pirate rep.

Not into mining or hauling, but if I was I'd have to do it in a frigate or destroyer as they're all I can fly other than shuttles.

I haven't even bothered to train salvage, rather use the slot for something combat related.

none of this explains why you would not be PvPing on day one if that is where your interests lie. If you want to then do it. There is absolutely no reason that you should not. Waiting for skill points to train is not a valid excuse for not PvPing.

they say an experienced person is a person who had made alot of mistakes, my dual tanked rocket hybrid autocannon atron died over 100 times before i managed to get a kill but i learned something every time i died,

tbh the result of lowsec would happen with any amount of skills and ships you have, you cant change that result till you start learning from them :)

Yeah, I know.

But you're more likely to learn more if you can at least survive the fight for longer.

Being taken out by the first volley, won't teach you much.

Yeah, I know.

But you're more likely to learn more if you can at least survive the fight for longer.

Being taken out by the first volley, won't teach you much.

You know what? WIth how many pointless excuses that you are coming up with my new answer to your title question, at least for you anyway is not PvP. Just sit in high sec and run missions all day everyday. Eventually you'll have 200 million skill points and still not know how to PvP and still die just as quickly as you will now.

So you got alpha'd. So what?

You can still get volleyed off field flying a battleship. I was in a Dominix fleet a while back up against a Raven fleet. Domi's were popping from every missile volley until we got our damps spread out to cut down the incoming damage.

So, you got volleyed in the first shot? There's still lessons to learn.

As mentioned, were you sitting still or trying to burn directly away from, for example, an Arty Thrasher while in your Atron? If so, your transversal to the Thrasher was near zero, so their huge arty alpha damage popped you.

That's an important lesson to learn. Never sit still on a gate in a Frigate. ALWAYS orbit the gate at 500m with your prop mods off. that little bit of transversal can save you if/when someone lands and decided to take a shot.

Firstly disregard anyone that says you can't get into PVP fights and win them with low SP. My first corp had a director who was hunted down and killed in his faction battleship by a six hour old character. The killer had less SP than a new player begins with now.

Getting alphaed is rare (excluding shooting pods, I've had it happen to me exactly once, and done it to another player once myself). Skillpoints will not save you if you are in a situation where you might be alphaed - what will save you is PVP experience, which will tell you to move so the battleship can't track you.

My point was, going into low-sec straight away from starting the game, would just result in a quick ship loss. I'm not in the habit of playing sitting duck or wasting equipment or treating characters as disposable just because you can res. Tactics/strategy is more my style and more sp gives me more options.

I think one of the things that people have been trying to tell you is that you're going to lose ships anyway, especially when you're first starting out. In this game, no ship is going to last, even if you're mainly a PvE'r -- it's gonna blow up eventually, somehow.

More SP is helpful, sure,...

... but how long are you going to put off the gaining of practical experience? If I may draw an analogy, you're like the guy who sits in his house reading self-help books about how to make friends, but never leaves to actually try to meet anyone.

I know, but I already knew that. It's no different to PvP in other games, the basics are the same it's just the details that are different. Getting to know those details will take time.



Yeah, and that's all I'm really saying about having more sp.



Like I said in another post presently my main game is GW2, so when I'm ready to spend more time here than there. In the meantime, I'll keep advancing its training. It's one of the reason I'm considering the test server as it is something you can do very casually. But in GW2 I'm mainly just playing in the new expansion content, so that means time there will be limited before it starts to get dull and very repetitive. Before that happens though I should be starting here.

ROTFLMAO. You remind me of my sister-in-law, you have an answer for everything.
I can see you now with your many "helpful" skillpoints, in a Barghest that you purchased with a PLEX. Proudly you'll jump from Ichoriyra to Akidagi, ready to take on the World of EVE Online!, only to get eaten alive and podded right at the gate.

Then you'll go to General Discussion and rant about how unbalanced the PvP is in this game.

Look, I'm not the kind of person for 1v1 pvp either, not at this time, and my killboard history definitely reflects that. But I love gang and fleet pvp, and there's plenty of that and a lot that can be learned from that. Instead of sitting in a station doing skill queue, you could join a corp where you could fly in a fleet, contributing in some way: tackle, EWAR, logistics. At least you'd be playing the game.

You clearly don't know me.

PvP will never be perfectly balanced unless every character/ship was the same, even then your connection can make a difference.

I also don't expect to be over-powered in PvP, my game isn't about look at me, see what ship I can fly, I must be great. My game is about tactics and strategy.

But as I presently spend all my gaming time in GW2 (except the skill queue here) I wouldn't have much time to spend here.

Well, I'm unsure as to why you even made this thread if you're not interested in actual PvP right now. If you're going to be playing GW2 for the foreseeable future and you're just logging in here to optimize your skill queue, then you've been given all the help that can be given.

As noted earlier in the thread, you already have a ton of SP -- more than enough to get started in PvP. You've got to get over your aversion to having your ships blown up while you ponder "tactics and strategy" though, and that's why people are telling you to start with frigates (no matter what style of pvp you choose) because they're cheaper.