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Ding Charvez
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:19:00 -
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Hi Guys,
I could use some advice how to kill a nano Drake in a "101".
What do I know:
Drake: (last 3 killmails with him)
Small Energy Neutralizer II
7x Heavy Missile Launcher II
Warp Disruptor II
2x X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive 1
Invulnerability Field II 1
Large Shield Extender II 1
Ballistic Control System II 1
Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1
Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1
Ballistic Control System II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Booster Loki alt.
Low-sec.
I guess he uses a slave implant set.
His point was about 36k long and he was able to fly more than 2.500 m/s
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I can fly:
Gallente BS IV. inkl. Medium Hybrid Guns at T2, Large only Meta.
Minmatar BS IV. inkl. T2 Artis.
any good Idea how to get him?
Thx in advance |
rodensteiner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:08:00 -
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Well, you're going to have to land a scram on him, otherwise he'll just kite or bail, especially if he's got T3 links.
If you can land a scram on him, an active-tanked Cyclone or Myrmidon should do the trick. |
Conor Todaki
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:41:00 -
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You're going to want any shield tanked brawler ship with a mwd and scram and use a sling-shot trick.
Basically fly away from the drake whilst using your mwd then at the end of your mwd cycle turn around then overload and turn back on your mwd and fly straight towards them. Usually their ship won't respond in time if they are using keep at range or orbit and you will get in range to use your scram and shut off their mwd. Just make sure you overload your scrambler. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:44:00 -
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Conor Todaki wrote:You're going to want any shield tanked brawler ship with a mwd and scram and use a sling-shot trick.
Basically fly away from the drake whilst using your mwd then at the end of your mwd cycle turn around then overload and turn back on your mwd and fly straight towards them. Usually their ship won't respond in time if they are using keep at range or orbit and you will get in range to use your scram and shut off their mwd. Just make sure you overload your scrambler.
And have your own boosting alt.  |
Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's
Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:08:00 -
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Drag him into null and bubble him.
-áThe Sideburns- Always Outnumbered- Never Outgunned. |
Luvvin McHunt
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:51:00 -
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He should have huge em and thermal holes in his tank.
I recommend using another drake to kill him. Missile will deliver reliable damage leaving you only needing to worry about catching him - not catch + track + prey for decent hits.
His fit is crap for fighting another Drake so it should die easily.
Fit HAMS and Warp Stabs.
If you get close - he dies - if not, at least you can leave the fight.
The warp stab targeting range penalty doesn't matter with HAMS.
Good Luck - Hope you have success.
Someone who needs a booster alt to kill a drake will produce the some of the sweetest tears available in eve. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
535
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Posted - 2011.12.12 23:18:00 -
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Poor dps and a small tank.
With Scourge Furies he'd manage just under 500 dps.
Theoretically, a nanocane could do the trick, as it flies 200m/s faster than him and has 200 more dps.
In addition, with him firing scourges you'll have 52k ehp. With you firing phased plasma at him, he'll have 44k ehp.
Unfortunately, because of the T3 booster the Drake will have 16km webs.
I'd look at a nano Harby with Scorch or a HAM Drake.
If you have buddies, point him with a nano-cane, then bring in a Maelstrom with ACs and phased plasma.
If you want to push him off grid, get a Dominix, slap Garde IIs on it, and fit a single-rep setup with med cap boosters and dual 425mm ACs. With a kinetic hardener, you should be able to tank him comfortably and push him away.
If you're feeling hilarious, get a Tempest and fit 2 nanos to it. You'll fly just as fast as him and get 1050 dps. Fit 800mm ACs, 2 torps, Hammerheads, 2 gyros and a TE. At 16km, you'll get about 950dps.
It's simple to scare him, but hard to kill him. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:01:00 -
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Nanocane will lose to nanodrake. Get a booster alt, fit a nanodrake of your own with more tank instead of webs, kill him easily.
Alternatively, Rapier+anything or nanoed Tengu (can go just as fast even without booster alt, will easily out-tank and out dps.) A vanilla drake will always be able to force a nanodrake off the field but will never kill it.
Your best bet with plain t1 is an active cyclone and slingshot him as per above, but be aware that this will very very rarely work if they are halfway competent.
EDIT: Tempest with double heavy nuets can work as well, you only have to slingshot within 28k to alpha his cap pretty well. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:05:00 -
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4 shot it with an arty mach :) |
Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:42:00 -
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There was a nano-drake fella that lived in the BWF area that sat there with a cloaky ferox booster (I am pretty sure this was before T3s). A billion safes around every degree of the gate, at all sorts of ranges. He destroyed so many ships there. The same people would go after him again and again - and he would kill them again and again. I used to sit there in an arazu and try to get lucky and motor to one of his safes to scram him. As I was slowboating around, he just killed endless amounts of people. It was quite impressive, actually.
As someone said, if they know what they are doing (and this guy did), they are very hard to catch. |
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Pinaculus
The High and Mighty
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:09:00 -
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Probe down his link alt and kill it?
It's the more expensive ship, and it has no tank, no weapons, and no pilot.
I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:18:00 -
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Anything with an active tank will counter him unless he brings friends. |
Dorian Tormak
P0ON
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:49:00 -
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Don't let him catch you at a belt or planet - make him fight you at a station or a gate that way you can dock or jump. Don't agress him until your scrambler is turned on.
After that it's easy street.
...."and I've been fighting back ever since...." |
Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
42
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Posted - 2011.12.13 05:16:00 -
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Well, im no expert on gatecamping, but at least for the guy i am talking about, he has most of these issues solved.
He only fought on gates or stations - he just lured people off. Then dual web death. If they didnt take the bait, he left.
Regarding his alt - he used a on-grid cloaky ferox. Uncloak for fight, align, warp off if attacked. Even if you catch it - its just a ferox - cheap insurable BC.
Not to say we never caught the guy - we did. But it took a lot of folk with a planned effort. If its just one or two people, no matter the fit, the best you can hope for is to chase him off.
But now i have a question, if someone is chasing you (approach) and then lose lock, they either keep going the way they were going, or do they stop? It just happened to me the other night, but i honestly cant recall...
Either way, an unexpected ecm/damp attack to cause him to lose lock while chasing you might make catching him easier...
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.13 06:11:00 -
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Armor Stabber Fleet Issue with a Kinetic Hardener, Scram, Web, Dual Prop. And you'll probably need Snakes of your own or at least some Skirmish links. |
DevilDog11101775
Buccaneers of New Eden
The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2011.12.13 07:59:00 -
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There is a nano drake gang that hangs out in the last 2 places I have lived. 3-4 nano drakes 1 ares, 1 sabre and a loki booster. They knew what they were doing and are very good at their fleet comp. We got 6 alpha maels arazu falcon and a loki with fed navy webs and a 36 km point. Once the drakes were tackled they were jammed and alpha'd by the maels. It was quite fun |
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:44:00 -
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So much funny stuff here
carry on |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:29:00 -
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Good stuff 
Is sexy time? |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:58:00 -
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Match his implants and boosting Loki alt and then go from there.
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BolsterBomb
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Flatline.
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:02:00 -
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He probably is a good pilot if he has the snakes, and booster running so you most likely will not be able to kill him.
You can drive him off the field by simply fitting any type of long range ship. That is the key with nanos, long range dps. You wont be able to scram him or point him so dont bother just dont engage him if hes on the field and you're in the wrong ship.
The only way you'd ever catch him is if someone has a long point like an arazu. Otherwise he'll just out run you and warp away if you are wiinning.
Answer: blue ball him |
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Menardii
Dynasty Battle Group
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:34:00 -
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Bring friends.
"Whoever said crime doesn't pay obviously never managed a criminal empire." |
Shinigami yama
Redemptions Calling
P I R A T E S
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Posted - 2011.12.13 21:30:00 -
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Was this near Amarr that you have been running into this pilot? If so you really just shouldn't engage. There is one pilot that uses this tactic a few jumps out from Amarr and he has a solid setup. But its the only way he knows how to pvp. And he usually wont engage unless you do first so he gets station or gate gun support. Blue ball or a couple of force recons are your best options |
Baron Wikkheiser
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:18:00 -
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"hi could you be honorable and not burn beyond our carrier rep range?" |
Dynast
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:09:00 -
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Solo, an active rep Cyclone can do it, as can a purpose-fit SFI or nanocane. All of these depend on either getting initial scram near gate, or baiting the nano-drake into chasing you so you can slingshot onto them with enough inertia to push through the overheated webs into overheated scram range.
Another possibility is a HAM drake with 1-2 nanos in the low, but a DCU and only two tackle mods (web and scram) so you are about the same speed with better tank and damage, and can lock him down. Dicey, since you need to get that tackle early in the fight (until you're within 20 the nano-drake is getting free damage), but it can work.
The reliable answer is bring two pilots, a falcon with mostly caldari ECM, and something the nano-drake pilot will salivate at killing, like a vagabond or deimos. Don't show the falcon until tackle is about to hit web rage |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:15:00 -
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Alpha Arty 'nado packing RF EMP? Nano drake usually has a gaping EM hole
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Ding Charvez
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.15 08:24:00 -
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Good Morning,
First of all: Thank you for each Comment!
If I got you all right I have the following Options:
kill him 101: Active Fitted Ship like Cyclone with loki booster. slingshot manover to get him.
Kill him: Bait with long point / long Webber and 10 Alpha Maels.
Scare him away: BS / BC with long range weapons
Any further comments?
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.15 11:33:00 -
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How about something like a raptor, extended scram, defenders and some guns for drone defence, you should be fast enough to catch him and should be able to tackle him for a short period, you will need friends though.
Or a Gallente HAC, you will need at least LG Snakes for speed and you will need to shield tank them but they have good kinetic resists forcing him away from his bonused damage type, an Ishtar could throw out 5 heavy web drones (I know stacking but some of them will die) then swap once you get him scrammed. Rail Deimos? Shield tanked should be faster outside the web range, get a faction point and some ECM Drones, paper EHP is not great but against Kinetic it is excellent.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.15 20:16:00 -
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Alticus C Bear wrote:How about something like a raptor, extended scram, defenders and some guns for drone defence, you should be fast enough to catch him and should be able to tackle him for a short period, you will need friends though.
Or a Gallente HAC, you will need at least LG Snakes for speed and you will need to shield tank them but they have good kinetic resists forcing him away from his bonused damage type, an Ishtar could throw out 5 heavy web drones (I know stacking but some of them will die) then swap once you get him scrammed. Rail Deimos? Shield tanked should be faster outside the web range, get a faction point and some ECM Drones, paper EHP is not great but against Kinetic it is excellent.
1. 750M in LG Snakes to counter a T2 fit BC.
2. Heavy web drones catching him.
I see you've put a lot of thought into this. |
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.15 21:28:00 -
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If he can get a Drake to go 2500m/s then he likely has his own set plus an off grid skirmish boosting Loki, these are serious investments and will need serious counters unless you are lucky enough to catch him with a gang which sounds unlikely, the target is mitigating his risk by only exposing a T2 fit Drake but there is more to it than that.
Combined with the slingshot technique the webifier drones may be enough without the snakes, they have a bad rep but in this situation you only need a few seconds to get close and scram him yourself. Then you just need to beat a drake in an Ishtar or call in your friends.
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