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Stephra Parle
Dark Angel Security
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:04:00 -
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Why do most cruiser pilots seem to favour these drones? From what I can see, Valkyrie II's are faster and do a lot more damage against armour tankers.
Can anyone shed some light on this please?
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 06/01/2007 12:09:04
 Originally by: Stephra Parle
Why do most cruiser pilots seem to favour these drones? From what I can see, Valkyrie II's are faster and do a lot more damage against armour tankers.
Can anyone shed some light on this please?
They are also very good against shield tanks, and you tend to see a lot of those if you are a pirate.
edit: Oh, and Valkyries only do like 12% more damage than Hammerheads[less against amarr, more against caldari] versus armor.
Valks track a lot better which would be a bonus, and the speed is nice, but im not sure its that big over the fact that Hammerheads are also nice versus shields with comparativly little damage decrease against armor compared to valks.
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Galliana Foresta
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:13:00 -
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Aye, the chap above me is right - thermal damage is the best 'normalised' damage type in the game. Meaning if you use thermal weapons on unresisted armour/shields, they would be similarly effective.
Regards.
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Jenstruant Fogg
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:15:00 -
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As others have said, Hammerheads have a better damage type, but also, they have a better damage multiplier, so their raw DPS is better too.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:18:00 -
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I will say this though, if i knew i was going to be fighting armor tanks that were not tech 2 amarran, i would definitly run valks.[And they are what i typically use for my Anti-pirate work]
They are probably best for amarran ships[with their large amounts of EM anyway] looking to average out damage types.
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Mathias Orsen
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:04:00 -
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Hammerheads are best to use for missions for one.
Also Hammers have a much higher damage multiplier than Valks. While it's common for a tank to have higher resist in thermal, the multiplier makes up for it.
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Tisanta
Amarr
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:07:00 -
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for pvp therm and kine are the best since armour has natural em and sheild has natural exp and you will want to break those in the smallest time possible and since you cant have 3 of each you will always be at disadvantage against one or the other so therm and kine drones work best, they also do HUGE damage and have a fair tank against smaller drones.
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Hank Showbo
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:27:00 -
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1. Thermal damage is kind of an all0rounded Shield/Armour Damage type.
2. Gallente drones (hobgoblin/hammerhead/ogre) have a higher base damage multiplier than the others.
3. Gallente drones track the best.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Galliana Foresta
Aye, the chap above me is right - thermal damage is the best 'normalised' damage type in the game. Meaning if you use thermal weapons on unresisted armour/shields, they would be similarly effective.
Regards.
Ok pr0's, and what would be the most tanked-against damage type in the game?
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:42:00 -
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In a drone ship, where your primary damage is your drones, Valks take too long to get through shield, and they don't make up that time once they get into armour. That is the reason why I would prefer to use Hammerheads if I could afford the damn things, and then theres the fact that your royally screwed against anything shield tanking.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:37:00 -
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ôOk pr0's, and what would be the most tanked-against damage type in the game?ö
Em and explosive which is why thermal works out best to use.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:44:00 -
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It has all been said, Hammerheads are a no-brainer as they do equally good damage against shield and armour alike, and have the highest base DPS of any medium drone thanks to its high damage modifier. Unless a different damage type is required to deal with a specific opponent or NPC faction, load Hammerheads.
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50freefly
Caldari
Purify
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:38:00 -
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Personally I think Vespas are the best. They aren't badly outdamaged by Hammerheads and they have a heck of a lot more shield hp to get through, which is especially handy when it comes to missions. Kinetic is also arguably the least tanked damage type, along with thermal. I think that Vespas are a good combination of tank and damage, and they are a heck of a lot cheaper, and have better tracking than Hammerheads.
Anyways, that's just my opinion
Originally by: Eight Ace
For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hank Showbo
1. Thermal damage is kind of an all0rounded Shield/Armour Damage type.
2. Gallente drones (hobgoblin/hammerhead/ogre) have a higher base damage multiplier than the others.
3. Gallente drones track the best.
actualy minmatar drones track the best.
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Corwain
Gallente
Infinite Innovations
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Posted - 2007.01.07 07:18:00 -
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To find the answer to this question I did some DPS calculations on my Arbitrator, Pilgrim, and Curse (10% bonus per level) with Amarr Cruiser V, Combat Drone Operation IV, and Drone Interfacing IV and the specialization skills at III. I used 5 of the specific drone type in each set. Here's my DPS, hope the forums doesn't mess up my formatting.
Infiltrator I does 111.78 of EM
Valkrie I does 126.36 of Explosive
Infiltrator II does 134.135 of EM
Vespa I does 140.94 of Kinetic
Valkrie II does 151.633 of Explosive
Hammerhead I does 155.52 of Thermal
Vespa II does 169.128 of Kinetic
Hammerhead II does 186.625 of Thermal
As you can see hammerhead does over 20DPS more than the runner up- Vespa IIs. Problem is Vespas do kinetic, which shields are naturally strong against. Most Armor tanks have nearly the same Kinetic and Thermal Resists (Gallente 35/35, Amarr & Minmatar 25/35). Caldari have 45% thermal resists on armor, but they aren't tanking their armor so that doesn't really matter. Thus Kinetic armor naturally has higher resists AND the Kinetic drones do less DPS. In fact the runner up in DPS after Vespa IIs are Hammerhead Is! So why not go with Hammerhead I if you can't afford T2? In fact the ONLY reason to use the other drones is to spec for a hole in a specific type of tank, or using explosive drones to catch MWDing ships. That is why Hammerhead II > Hammerhead I > Valkrie II > snowball launchers > Infiltrator II. Lets not even mention Infiltrator Is.
Obviously the specialization skills will help a little, but at only 2% damage bonus per level--not much. Although it will barely push Valkrie IIs over Hammerhead Is and Infiltrator IIs over Vespa Is.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.07 07:44:00 -
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Oh man, inflitrators are so bad that hammerheads do more damage vs sansha...
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50freefly
Caldari
Purify
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Posted - 2007.01.07 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Oh man, inflitrators are so bad that hammerheads do more damage vs sansha...
Indeed. Rumor has it that they are called infiltrators because they somehow managed to infiltrate their way into mass production, despite the fact that they really suck. I mean, come on, doing LESS damage than Valk II's AND going slower, tracking slower, having less hp, etc.
Originally by: Eight Ace
For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.07 07:55:00 -
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Not to burst any bubbles, but my thermal resists are my highest resists.
I fly geddon.
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Tisanta
Amarr
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:40:00 -
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wow really? therm always seems to be the hole in my armour tanks.. i fly amarr
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:42:00 -
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I have pretty high resists across the board, EM and Expl are tied for worst.
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Tisanta
Amarr
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:45:00 -
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im betting you run an active tank?
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:59:00 -
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I have active hardeners in my tank yes.
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Father Weebles
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.07 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôOk pr0's, and what would be the most tanked-against damage type in the game?ö
Em and explosive which is why thermal works out best to use.
not really
in my experience armor tankers fit 1 exp/therm/kin hardener and mabye an EANM II or dmg control so kin/therm and more tanked generally...
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.01.07 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Father Weebles
Originally by: Pottsey
ôOk pr0's, and what would be the most tanked-against damage type in the game?ö
Em and explosive which is why thermal works out best to use.
not really
in my experience armor tankers fit 1 exp/therm/kin hardener and mabye an EANM II or dmg control so kin/therm and more tanked generally...
actually in my experience nowadays people tend to fit 2x EANM II + DCU to fit some dmg mods which leaves EM the highest (and therm 2nd =P but cuz of the high dmg on hammerhead II's this is usually resolveD)
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
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Posted - 2007.01.07 21:47:00 -
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thermal drones have the highest damage mod and as such are considered to be the "best".
Even though they might be unable to catch any ships and hence do 0 damage.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
United Univers
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Posted - 2007.01.08 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
thermal drones have the highest damage mod and as such are considered to be the "best".
Even though they might be unable to catch any ships and hence do 0 damage.
Hehehehe, yeah what he said. 
There's a simple solution for which drones to use and for Hybrid turret ships they should counter their Kinetic/Thermal damage with drones that do EM/Exp damage.
2 x Infil/3 x Valk II will be devastating against shield and armour in tandem whislt your guns do the other two types.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.01.08 02:15:00 -
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becuase if you are going to go chase somebody who flies drone ships, you don't have to worry about tanking anything but thermal tbh. 
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Xerpex
Ars Caelestis
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Posted - 2007.01.08 02:43:00 -
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I usually use Valks. I deal therm/kin with the guns, and exp with the drones... Gives me a nice spread of dmg types. Though, tbh, it's because they are so much cheaper 
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