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7654321	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:52:00 - [1] It seems I am stuck a bit - I have about 2 mil on my wallet, 3 mil SP and can't find any decent way to get more. - mining is too boring and I have no skills for that - my standings with agents sux so it would take ages to get L3 or L4 missions My ships ATM are Taranis, Thorax and indy so NPCing isnt a very wallet healthy option. Any ideas are very appreciated. PS. I know this is stupid but I really don't know what to do and any advice from more experienced isk-makers will be very helpful.
Moe deLawn	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:08:00 - [2] So let me get this right. You don't want to put in any effort (such as doing low level missions to raise your standings), but want money anyway?? I'm not sure what you expected this game to be like. I put some minimal effort into a low level agent (perhaps 1 or 2 weeks), and made a pile of money off of selling the loot. Plus, I got to L3 missions pretty fast. So I'm not sure why you want something for nothing. There's also NPC trade goods on the market, if you want to haul a bit. Courier missions. Rat in lower sec areas, join a corp, etc.... Lots of ways to make ISK. But they all take effort :)
GC13 Caldari Derelik Trading Company	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:08:00 - [3] Okay, so you've ruled out NPCing, mining, and missions. That leaves manufacturing and trading. Buy low sell high, or buy minerals, turn them into something, and hopefully sell it for more than the cost of the minerals. Grinding up to level three missions doesn't take that long, to be honest. You'd certainly be there before you could afford a battlecruiser to run them with. Your Thorax with railguns should be able to run level twos pretty easily. -- Science and Industry guide plus A Newbie's Guide to Caldari Ships Eve and RPG blog
Sandeep Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:28:00 - [4] Originally by: 7654321 My ships ATM are Taranis, Thorax and indy Taranis is worth about 11 mil. I am sure you can come up with that amount again.
7654321	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:37:00 - [5] I aint gonna sell my only useful PVP ship, lol. My corp is PVP and I need cash to buy new ships to fly with them.
Neoenderli	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:55:00 - [6] Originally by: 7654321 I aint gonna sell my only useful PVP ship, lol. My corp is PVP and I need cash to buy new ships to fly with them. Then quit the game. Ever piece of advice these people have offered to you, you've turned down. You are not willing to put ANY effort into getting your own ISK... so don't come here complaining about it, when you already know your options available.
teh brandy	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:57:00 - [7] Edited by: teh brandy on 06/01/2007 17:53:46 Originally by: Neoenderli Then quit the game. Ever piece of advice these people have offered to you, you've turned down. You are not willing to put ANY effort into getting your own ISK... so don't come here complaining about it, when you already know your options available. True. --- 800k sp, day first - caracal, day third - ferox gj ccp
7654321	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:59:00 - [8] Edited by: 7654321 on 06/01/2007 17:55:36 Originally by: Neoenderli Then quit the game. Ever piece of advice these people have offered to you, you've turned down. You are not willing to put ANY effort into getting your own ISK... so don't come here complaining about it, when you already know your options available. Not really, I just dont believe that med-char like mine has to grind noob-missions or invest lot of sp in mining just to start making money oO
GC13 Caldari Derelik Trading Company	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:12:00 - [9] Originally by: 7654321 Not really, I just dont believe that med-char like mine has to grind noob-missions or invest lot of sp in mining just to start making money oO Yeah, because those are totally the only things I said you could do. -- Science and Industry guide plus A Newbie's Guide to Caldari Ships Eve and RPG blog
Cyberflayer Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:17:00 - [10] Originally by: 7654321 I aint gonna sell my only useful PVP ship, lol. My corp is PVP and I need cash to buy new ships to fly with them. If you're in a PvP corp, they're probably interested in keeping you flying and PvPing with them. Make a friend with one of the experienced members, and they might get you ships for free. Just a thought. --- Real men structure tank. Originally by: Butter Dog Look, seriously, give up. You lost the thread about 6 pages ago.
Easy Target Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:19:00 - [11] Originally by: 7654321 Edited by: 7654321 on 06/01/2007 17:55:36 Originally by: Neoenderli Then quit the game. Ever piece of advice these people have offered to you, you've turned down. You are not willing to put ANY effort into getting your own ISK... so don't come here complaining about it, when you already know your options available. Not really, I just dont believe that med-char like mine has to grind noob-missions or invest lot of sp in mining just to start making money oO I wouldnt really class them as noob missions TBH. From a Role play side of things, why would a high powered agent of a corporation trust you with high up tasks when he doesnt know you, in eve reputation goes a long way, you have to work for that. For mining why should a player who is new to it be as good as a player who has invested a few months on the mining skills? Would hardly be fair. Eve works cos anyone can do anything, but to do something well requires time investment and in some occasions research into the task. Easy Target ----------------------------------------------- No i'm not good... but i have never claimed to be --------------------
Morlar	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Morlar on 06/01/2007 18:31:03 Hmmmm... My buddy and I made 4.5 million mining in 0.7 space last night...we spent maybe two hours from saying "let's jump back to base" to me refining and handing him the minerals to sell. He mines, I haul. It's not the most exciting thing, but it goes well with chatting on TS, drinking beer and snacking on some cheese and dried fruit. With beer. Yummmm...beer! The other day I spent an hour or so running some level 2 missions. One of the items dropped was a named NOS, it fetched me 2.5 million. I made at least another million from bounties, loot drops and mission payments. That's flying a Moa. (Caldari gun cruiser, cost me 7 or so million to buy and outfit) I have around 2.6 million skillpoints, with a good half million in Industrial. To increase your mission payments, train the Negotiation skill. To instantly increase standings, train Connections. (both under Social)
Sanctus Maleficus Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:39:00 - [13] Man, reading the New Citizens forum makes me miss the old days when I was so excited to get a Maller, etc. Anyway, I bought a Cruiser after just playing for about a week, and here's how: Run 3/10 Deadspaces in your Thorax. You may even be able to do a 4/10.
Babel Matrix Gallente ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:29:00 - [14] As mentioned previously, the Connections skill can provide an instant boost to your standing with each level. Just level 4 nets you a fair amount, (perhaps enough for a full jump in agent level,) and other skills provide you with boosts to money and the amount of standing gained from n00b missions. Now if you must abstain from any mission below a level 3, then perhaps you should look to your own PvP corp. With your ships, and the proper modules, you could easily do alittle pirating. I.E. hold a few stupid covetors/all-mining ships in 0.4 for ransom, (look to the Crime & Punishment guides for more clues.) Just make sure your PvP corp is OK with piracy. If not, consider the contracts offered all across the regions for popular ship BPCs. Find a few good offers, do alittle ore-thievery, and set 'em to manufacture, (you could even buy the minerals to manufacture.) N00b ore-thieving can leave you to buy just the megacyte and zydrine, a total of a few million ISK, to manufacture a thorax or two, earning 12-14mil. Anyways, if all this is "too much work", I'm suprised you got this far in EVE.
Karasuma Akane Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Morlar Edited by: Morlar on 06/01/2007 18:31:03 My buddy and I made 4.5 million mining in 0.7 space last night...we spent maybe two hours from saying "let's jump back to base" to me refining and handing him the minerals to sell. He mines, I haul. It's not the most exciting thing, but it goes well with chatting on TS, drinking beer and snacking on some cheese and dried fruit. With beer. Yummmm...beer! I made 9 million isk mining in 0.7 as well yesterday in a little less than 4 hours, with Eve in one window showing the Overview and the sound up, while in another window I read blogs, browsed this forum, chatted online, etc... just every few minutes click over and transfer the ore from your cargohold to the jetcan. I use an Exequror and my medium drone load takes care of the random rat attacks just fine, and about every hour I fly back to station and switch to an Iteron III which takes two/three trips to empty the jetcan. After that it's maybe fifteen minutes to jump to the couple nearest regions to check mineral prices, and transport those minerals to the highest bidder. As Morlar said, it's not exciting but you can do it at less than 100% focus on the game. And I'm just a rookie finishing my first month, sitting at half your skillpoints, with Mining and Refining only at Level 4. It should be MUCH easier for you to make isk, and what I did idly yesterday would pay for a new Thorax to PVP in today, if I were so inclined. Like GC13 noted, if you can't be bothered to rat, mine, mission, or salvage, your iskmaking options seem limited until you get to much higher levels where your capital becomes somewhat self-sustaining.
Kua Mortal	Posted - 2007.01.06 21:16:00 - [16] How do you keep EVE in a separate window and surf the net at the same time?
Dahakon	Posted - 2007.01.06 21:20:00 - [17] I don't understand the question.... You have 2mil in the bank, three ships are your disposal, and don't know how to make money. You don't want to mine (I don't either). So okay. That leaves Agents. However, you want the agent to jsut GIVE you a high ranking mission. Now, if you walk into a corporation in the real world, waltz up to the secretary and say "Hey, I want the be CEO. Why? Just because I'm me, that's why." They're gonna laugh at you. Guess what, hero? You gotta start in the mail-room. I've been here about 12 days now and worked my ass off to get in good with a corp and get level two missions. I have a good amount of ISK, enough to outfit my thorax and run some missions. Am I getting rich quick? It seemed like it until I looked at how much everything costs. Even with taht, I don't understand your statement about "not being healthy ISK makers". What gives? I make a fortune with my Thorax for my level. My skils aren't great, my ship isn't top of the line, but I still make decent loot. So you wanna be a pirate? If you're this lazy about doing the things the rest of us MUST do to survive, you're probably gonna want your targets to kill themselves. I hope you have a charisma of about 50 before you try talking them into that one.
Karasuma Akane Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.06 22:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Kua Mortal How do you keep EVE in a separate window and surf the net at the same time? In the Graphics tab of the Escape-key menu, pick Window Mode under Display Mode Settings and choose a window size. I have a 19" 1440x900 monitor, so I run Eve at 1024x768 and overlap the browser window where I can still watch the Overview for threats while mining. (screencapture) If I'm ratting or running missions where I'll be focused solely on the game, I'll be in Fullscreen Mode instead.
Morlar	Posted - 2007.01.07 00:13:00 - [19] You can hot-toggle Eve back and forth into windowed mode with ALT-Enter, as well.
Malcurth Deathmind Gallente The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.07 01:38:00 - [20] Looks like he stopped taking this good advice entirely. :\
Malik Cygnus Prize Fighting Goats	Posted - 2007.01.07 02:40:00 - [21] Or you could just alt-tab out of the game. ---
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.01.07 03:39:00 - [22] mining and trading all that is the sux. what you need to do my friend is become a con artist. can you role play a girl? ---- Would you like some cries with your whaaamburger?
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:42:00 - [23] 3 mill sp isnt a med charactor, its a low charactor :S six to ten is about med. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig By Ortos
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:01:00 - [24] Well the real money is made through business deals. Such as trading, or working as a mercenary, or taking over regions and charging rent to let other people rat/mine there. You don't really sound smart enough to do that sooooo just do missions till you make the big bucks.
PMolkenthin Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:19:00 - [25] Originally by: 7654321 My ships ATM are Taranis, Thorax and indy so NPCing isnt a very wallet healthy option. You know you can kill NPCs in 0.0 with a Taranis right? Just watch out for the frigates and keep your transversal up.

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