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Nevall Caldari Lunar Dawn Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:13:00 - [151] Originally by: Wraithstorm Whilst I wont go on in this thread to say what I think about FE, I will comment on Dirty Harrys portion. Bacially bro, people change, times change. It hasnt GOTTEN tougher for the Corporations you mention out here then it is now and yet the Corporations you mention are here fighting tooth and nail. Trust me I know. I dont hold a persons/peoples past against them. This is a game, and when someone sees a stable thing going, something with potential they tend to give it their all. If Im wrong on the matter then hey, I dont have a crystal ball so time will tell. Right now from an official standpoint, Im pleased with all ESA Corporations performance, and dedication. Thanks for your time fellas. You may continue the senseless forum beating, however I ask ESA to do their fighting on the battlefield, not on these forums Wraith...thanks for the vote of confidence. And just to put my chat log of Nov '06 into perspective...back then E-R was hanging us out to dry, and there were just 3 corps, new to IPS defending BWF-8MG. Now that we know how 1-dimensional F-E's tactics are (cntl-cloak), our corp, wallets and this new alliance have never been better.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:42:00 - [152] Originally by: Nevall Originally by: Wraithstorm Whilst I wont go on in this thread to say what I think about FE, I will comment on Dirty Harrys portion. Bacially bro, people change, times change. It hasnt GOTTEN tougher for the Corporations you mention out here then it is now and yet the Corporations you mention are here fighting tooth and nail. Trust me I know. I dont hold a persons/peoples past against them. This is a game, and when someone sees a stable thing going, something with potential they tend to give it their all. If Im wrong on the matter then hey, I dont have a crystal ball so time will tell. Right now from an official standpoint, Im pleased with all ESA Corporations performance, and dedication. Thanks for your time fellas. You may continue the senseless forum beating, however I ask ESA to do their fighting on the battlefield, not on these forums Wraith...thanks for the vote of confidence. And just to put my chat log of Nov '06 into perspective...back then E-R was hanging us out to dry, and there were just 3 corps, new to IPS defending BWF-8MG. Now that we know how 1-dimensional F-E's tactics are (cntl-cloak), our corp, wallets and this new alliance have never been better. ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Last night you manage to kill a pos only thanks to a 200+ friendly blob. I really had to laugh when I flew through the ioo gatecamp and your 60 odd ships barely managed to nick my shields though. Gj dudes. E-R please move back, we miss fun targets
Drantis J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:46:00 - [153] Edited by: Drantis on 12/01/2007 17:43:11 Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Nevall Originally by: Wraithstorm Whilst I wont go on in this thread to say what I think about FE, I will comment on Dirty Harrys portion. Bacially bro, people change, times change. It hasnt GOTTEN tougher for the Corporations you mention out here then it is now and yet the Corporations you mention are here fighting tooth and nail. Trust me I know. I dont hold a persons/peoples past against them. This is a game, and when someone sees a stable thing going, something with potential they tend to give it their all. If Im wrong on the matter then hey, I dont have a crystal ball so time will tell. Right now from an official standpoint, Im pleased with all ESA Corporations performance, and dedication. Thanks for your time fellas. You may continue the senseless forum beating, however I ask ESA to do their fighting on the battlefield, not on these forums Wraith...thanks for the vote of confidence. And just to put my chat log of Nov '06 into perspective...back then E-R was hanging us out to dry, and there were just 3 corps, new to IPS defending BWF-8MG. Now that we know how 1-dimensional F-E's tactics are (cntl-cloak), our corp, wallets and this new alliance have never been better. ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Last night you manage to kill a pos only thanks to a 200+ friendly blob. I really had to laugh when I flew through the ioo gatecamp and your 60 odd ships barely managed to nick my shields though. Gj dudes. E-R please move back, we miss fun targets Dont like the people or the tactics ? Well there are several exits out of here..dont let the door hit your a55 on the way out. Jeez play the game stay off the forums. D> As not to be accused of de-railing threads...Welcome Back FE. Looking forward to the fights.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:45:00 - [154] Originally by: Drantis Edited by: Drantis on 12/01/2007 17:43:11 Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Nevall Originally by: Wraithstorm Whilst I wont go on in this thread to say what I think about FE, I will comment on Dirty Harrys portion. Bacially bro, people change, times change. It hasnt GOTTEN tougher for the Corporations you mention out here then it is now and yet the Corporations you mention are here fighting tooth and nail. Trust me I know. I dont hold a persons/peoples past against them. This is a game, and when someone sees a stable thing going, something with potential they tend to give it their all. If Im wrong on the matter then hey, I dont have a crystal ball so time will tell. Right now from an official standpoint, Im pleased with all ESA Corporations performance, and dedication. Thanks for your time fellas. You may continue the senseless forum beating, however I ask ESA to do their fighting on the battlefield, not on these forums Wraith...thanks for the vote of confidence. And just to put my chat log of Nov '06 into perspective...back then E-R was hanging us out to dry, and there were just 3 corps, new to IPS defending BWF-8MG. Now that we know how 1-dimensional F-E's tactics are (cntl-cloak), our corp, wallets and this new alliance have never been better. ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Last night you manage to kill a pos only thanks to a 200+ friendly blob. I really had to laugh when I flew through the ioo gatecamp and your 60 odd ships barely managed to nick my shields though. Gj dudes. E-R please move back, we miss fun targets Dont like the people or the tactics ? Well there are several exits out of here..dont let the door hit your a55 on the way out. Jeez play the game stay off the forums. D> As not to be accused of de-railing threads...Welcome Back FE. Looking forward to the fights. Perhaps you missed the point, your allies in esa are bragging about how they managed to take out a single pos last night with the help of over 200+ friendlies in system against a few dozen hostiles, and you still couldn't camp the gates properly. Oh and dual monitors ftw, I can play and ***** forums at the same time.
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:49:00 - [155] I'd have to say it's nice to see some decent PvPers these days and FE has been exactly that, DECENT. Little if no smack and when they tossed up a POS up on us, well.. it was a good siege, I got to dust of my dread which I was hoping to use and well... it took a damn good beating on the second stage, you guys tossed out some damn good firepower, but hey... those fighters had to have been expensive Besides that, welcome to the area and I look forward to shooting more stuff and have some more good fights. --- Place Sig here (Help a man with no Sig, Eve-Mail me if you can make me one.)
NurofenMiner Amarr Lunar Dawn Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:50:00 - [156] ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:02:00 - [157] Originally by: NurofenMiner ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look Good one junior. Considering that last night was the first time we've been to bwf in any sort of force, you sure are owning us. My corp only has a 15-1 kill/death ratio against you (storm armada) after all.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:05:00 - [158] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: NurofenMiner ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look Good one junior. Considering that last night was the first time we've been to bwf in any sort of force, you sure are owning us. My corp only has a 15-1 kill/death ratio against you (storm armada) after all. Originally by: MindBender I'd have to say it's nice to see some decent PvPers these days and FE has been exactly that, DECENT. Little if no smack and when they tossed up a POS up on us, well.. it was a good siege, I got to dust of my dread which I was hoping to use and well... it took a damn good beating on the second stage, you guys tossed out some damn good firepower, but hey... those fighters had to have been expensive Besides that, welcome to the area and I look forward to shooting more stuff and have some more good fights. I heard we got one into deap armor, but your support kill us to fast. I was still 3 jumps out atm, no pew pew for me :P
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:36:00 - [159] Yeah, that was me... lol. Got me down to about 40% but the support fleet tore up the rest of the fighters and whatever was on me. I won't give you the satisfaction of what the cap was at, but I will say this... you ALMOST had me. I had a damn good fleet keeping me alive. --- Place Sig here (Help a man with no Sig, Eve-Mail me if you can make me one.)
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:58:00 - [160] Originally by: Gorthalion Can we make an effort to destinguise between F-E(Corp) and FE.(Alliance) Some of these posts are getting a bit confoosing... Quote: pershphanie The Scope ...O'Rly? OMFG it's Gorthalion!!!!1111ONEELEVENTY Now there is a blast from the past. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.12 20:55:00 - [161] Originally by: Nevall Originally by: DirtyHarry Edited by: DirtyHarry on 12/01/2007 14:58:55 Originally by: Nevall After last night in BWF... --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2113343728 Channel Name: Private Chat (Nevall) Listener: DirtyHarry Session started: 2006.11.04 21:07:24 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2006.11.04 21:07:33 ] DirtyHarry > hi [ 2006.11.04 21:07:41 ] Nevall > are empowered for diplomacy? [ 2006.11.04 21:07:47 ] DirtyHarry > yeah [ 2006.11.04 21:07:49 ] DirtyHarry > whats up [ 2006.11.04 21:08:31 ] Nevall > i am exploring the possibility of a NAP between LD and FE and also perhaps LD/UKMS and FE [ 2006.11.04 21:09:07 ] DirtyHarry > what kind of NAP [ 2006.11.04 21:09:18 ] DirtyHarry > as in a NAP while you pull out of here or? [ 2006.11.04 21:09:40 ] Nevall > nothing that involves us leaving the area [ 2006.11.04 21:10:00 ] DirtyHarry > i dont see how that could work out, as you are allied with ER using their stations. [ 2006.11.04 21:10:15 ] DirtyHarry > i know for a fact they wouldnt like that :) [ 2006.11.04 21:10:34 ] Nevall > well "they" arent leaving us much choice now are they This was during the F-E vs ER and mining pets campaign in November. He goes on to offer 250m a week not to shoot his corp so they can mine while we blow up E-R and they use E-Rs stations to base and refine from, sounds like a very didicated bunch to me. As I told you wraith on TS, when the going gets tough the E-R mining pets he absorbed will get NAPing behind your back. Sorry Nevall but your talking like you're some kind of big ***, so might as well let the community see what kind of corp yourselves and UKMS are. edit: sp It should be telling enough that you had to dig back that far to find something like that. We know now how lame your total reliance on cloaking is. Maybe if you could cloak a POS it would still be there? If Ender and all his alts have nothing better to do than sit cloaked in BWF waiting for the next cheap gank, more power to "him". That* far? It's like two months ago. A trivial amount of time, even in EVE.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.12 23:39:00 - [162] this thread sucks. please can a mod end it. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 00:25:00 - [163] Originally by: NurofenMiner ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look Believe us, we can take BWF WHENEVER we want, just ask ratel about the 36+ tower spam we used to take TDE. Look at F-Es KB for the IPS constelation, it shows you guys lost 11Billion to FEs 3, and thats JUST ESA alliance (as in excluding AW/ARROW/TSA/ER/CDC/PURE/RAZOR/MM/D2). Click above for my killboard stats.
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.13 00:42:00 - [164] Originally by: Kirex Originally by: NurofenMiner ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look Believe us, we can take BWF WHENEVER we want, just ask ratel about the 36+ tower spam we used to take TDE. Look at F-Es KB for the IPS constelation, it shows you guys lost 11Billion to FEs 3, and thats JUST ESA alliance (as in excluding AW/ARROW/TSA/ER/CDC/PURE/RAZOR/MM/D2). yes apparently we all suck since we lost a tower to their 250-300 man gang. like i said we are like a bad rash, keep scratching ladies its all fun for me, i like pew-pew and mining makes me cry. btw... why did it take around 3hours to shoot the POS with 24 or 25 dreads the first night? did you all have med guns on your dreads? Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
AngelofDeath V Gallente Net 7 Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:35:00 - [165] Originally by: Xendie btw... why did it take around 3hours to shoot the POS with 24 or 25 dreads the first night? did you all have med guns on your dreads? Why does it take 200 people to make you dock?
Cartiff Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:39:00 - [166] /emote smiles hope everyones enjoying IPS ----------------------------------- "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys" Originally by: Milivikal DeWrar GoonSwarm: powered by static electricty from polysci and law nerds rubbing stubble in thought.
Balistic Void Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.13 02:25:00 - [167] The other thread sucks more.
Nevall Caldari Lunar Dawn Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.13 03:07:00 - [168] Edited by: Nevall on 13/01/2007 03:03:37 Originally by: Kirex Originally by: NurofenMiner ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look Believe us, we can take BWF WHENEVER we want, just ask ratel about the 36+ tower spam we used to take TDE. Look at F-Es KB for the IPS constelation, it shows you guys lost 11Billion to FEs 3, and thats JUST ESA alliance (as in excluding AW/ARROW/TSA/ER/CDC/PURE/RAZOR/MM/D2). F-E's KB...thats a good one, well at least ender started posting his losses again...lets see if we can get the rest of them too...
Choi Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.13 03:23:00 - [169] Originally by: Nevall F-E's KB...thats a good one, well at least ender started posting his losses again...lets see if we can get the rest of them too... OOooh any killmails you have on F-E send to me and ill post em.
fugazii Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.13 03:37:00 - [170] Edited by: fugazii on 13/01/2007 03:34:51 Originally by: Nevall Edited by: Nevall on 13/01/2007 03:03:37 Originally by: Kirex Originally by: NurofenMiner ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look Believe us, we can take BWF WHENEVER we want, just ask ratel about the 36+ tower spam we used to take TDE. Look at F-Es KB for the IPS constelation, it shows you guys lost 11Billion to FEs 3, and thats JUST ESA alliance (as in excluding AW/ARROW/TSA/ER/CDC/PURE/RAZOR/MM/D2). F-E's KB...thats a good one, well at least ender started posting his losses again...lets see if we can get the rest of them too... same here, im online atm. feel free to forward any losses that arent posted, and ill put them up immediately. oh ya, got any rep drones? still havent made back to emp since last night ^_^
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:59:00 - [171] Originally by: Nevall F-E's KB...thats a good one, well at least ender started posting his losses again...lets see if we can get the rest of them too... as i told you after your whining in local on friday it is not only losses that is missing but also kills. i also told you that the guy who looks after the killboard havent sorted out all the new ships yet since he has been away and that when he gets it sorted the killboard will be updated with all the ships. i guess that telling you directly in person was futile brenda so anytime we want to inform you of anything perhaps we should use these forums instead? Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
Biosman GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.14 02:02:00 - [172] I remember The Forsaken Empire Alliance and consider those times golden.It was a time when the sun was going down on an era and it contained the very essence of what EVE is all about.I have very fond memories from way back then and alot has changed in EVE since,some names are never forgotten,whether friend or enemy it doesnt matter,what matters is that we all made it happen. Great topic,havent seen a good one like this for a long time. Kemono(with a period) roflmao
Royaldo Old Farts Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.14 10:10:00 - [173] Originally by: Kirex Originally by: NurofenMiner ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Its funny that you're having so much trouble defeating 'lame noobs' I wonder how lame this makes you look Believe us, we can take BWF WHENEVER we want, just ask ratel about the 36+ tower spam we used to take TDE. Look at F-Es KB for the IPS constelation, it shows you guys lost 11Billion to FEs 3, and thats JUST ESA alliance (as in excluding AW/ARROW/TSA/ER/CDC/PURE/RAZOR/MM/D2). you are great because you spammed 36 towers?
Ender Hawks Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:55:00 - [174] Quote: It should be telling enough that you had to dig back that far to find something like that. We know now how lame your total reliance on cloaking is. Maybe if you could cloak a POS it would still be there? If Ender and all his alts have nothing better to do than sit cloaked in BWF waiting for the next cheap gank, more power to "him". - Nevall The next cheap gank? Your efficiency against F-E, according to your own killboard, is 25% and you've lost around 50-100 ships every day. You've made such a big deal about taking out our POS with 400 pilots and 16 dreads from over 10x different alliances... 2x Freighters, 2x Rattlesnake, 1x Macherial and 1x large POS ^(a few of the highlights of our campaign)^ It took F-E/CI about 20-25 pilots and no dreads to take your POS...ALIVE Just hush, close this thread, and fight us ingame. Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Gorthalion Guiding Star Industries Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:46:00 - [175] Edited by: Gorthalion on 14/01/2007 23:42:51 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Gorthalion Can we make an effort to destinguise between F-E(Corp) and FE.(Alliance) Some of these posts are getting a bit confoosing... Quote: pershphanie The Scope ...O'Rly? OMFG it's Gorthalion!!!!1111ONEELEVENTY Now there is a blast from the past. Was good fun back in the times of the 'Vale Alliance'....cheaky *******, lol ... I really enjoyed that war, it was excellent! Hehe, glad your well dude.
Gorthalion Guiding Star Industries Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:48:00 - [176] Originally by: Ender Hawks Edited by: Ender Hawks on 14/01/2007 21:07:47 Quote: It should be telling enough that you had to dig back that far to find something like that. We know now how lame your total reliance on cloaking is. Maybe if you could cloak a POS it would still be there? If Ender and all his alts have nothing better to do than sit cloaked in BWF waiting for the next cheap gank, more power to "him". - Nevall The next cheap gank? Your efficiency against F-E, according to your own killboard, is 25% and you've lost around 50-100 ships every day. You've made such a big deal about taking out our POS with 400 pilots and 16 dreads from over 10x different alliances... 1x Carrier, 2x Freighters, 2x Rattlesnake, 1x Macherial and 1x large POS ^(a few of the highlights of our campaign)^ It took F-E/CI about 20-25 pilots and no dreads to take your POS...ALIVE Just hush, close this thread, and fight us ingame. Ender = Godmode. Game over. <3
Xantina Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:04:00 - [177] Originally by: Graalum ESA moved in and took every lame noob corp they could find as fast as they could find them. Last night you manage to kill a pos only thanks to a 200+ friendly blob. I really had to laugh when I flew through the ioo gatecamp and your 60 odd ships barely managed to nick my shields though. Gj dudes. E-R please move back, we miss fun targets If F-E wouldn't keep bringing CI's mothership each time we engage them on equal numbers the blobbing wouldn't be necessary. You can hardly blame us for not playing by other people's rules of engagement <3 ^^
MrBigstar The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:31:00 - [178] You guys have never engaged CI in equal numbers. You also war decced us, but we spend most of our time watching the stations you sit in or flying after your shuttles. My personal thoughts: Oh god you guys suck!
Nevall Caldari Lunar Dawn Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:58:00 - [179] Originally by: MrBigstar You guys have never engaged CI in equal numbers. You also war decced us, but we spend most of our time watching the stations you sit in or flying after your shuttles. My personal thoughts: Oh god you guys suck! OOOOOOH Please...this has never been about equal numbers. So please dont pretend you are looking for a stand up fight all of a sudden. We've looted and destroyed enought cloaking devices to illustrate that(cntl-cloak).
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:58:00 - [180] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 15/01/2007 12:56:22 Originally by: Ender Hawks Edited by: Ender Hawks on 14/01/2007 21:07:47 Quote: It should be telling enough that you had to dig back that far to find something like that. We know now how lame your total reliance on cloaking is. Maybe if you could cloak a POS it would still be there? If Ender and all his alts have nothing better to do than sit cloaked in BWF waiting for the next cheap gank, more power to "him". - Nevall The next cheap gank? Your efficiency against F-E, according to your own killboard, is 25% and you've lost around 50-100 ships every day. You've made such a big deal about taking out our POS with 400 pilots and 16 dreads from over 10x different alliances... 1x Carrier, 2x Freighters, 2x Rattlesnake, 1x Macherial and 1x large POS ^(a few of the highlights of our campaign)^ It took F-E/CI about 20-25 pilots and no dreads to take your POS...ALIVE Just hush, close this thread, and fight us ingame. Lets get a couple of things straight. Your Alliance, and ESA have a different set of objectives. ESA strives for stability in its home. You strive to take that away. My time in EVE has shown me a few things. Most Major Alliances do not like Empire war as it disrupts their Industry, empire Operations, trade etc. Storm Armada being in such close proximity to Empire does not have the luxory of being 20+ jumps away from Empire. We dont have the luxory of stating the old song of "If they want us they can come to our space and get us" As we sat in BWF day after day waiting for you to come in with your Gank Squad and CI Mothership we decided that we were going to go a step further. 2 days before you wardecced us the decision was made to dec you. You beat us to the punch well hey free war. We war decced Cruel Intentions because watching their Haulers run around in Oijanen was annoying when we knew they were aiding your camp. Also with their Mothership being the only thing keeping your Campaign against us alive we felt that they too deserved a war. CI are skilled opponents, and like FE have definitely proven to be a tough nut to ***. FE/CI/Unassociated have ESA and probably the majority of Alliances in EVE beat on the skillpoint level. While I would match my best against yours any day of the week my average pilot does not average the skillpoints that yours does. Noones fault, thats just the way things are. You being the aggressor in this case, and ESA on the defense primarily already gives you a tactical advantage. Still with all of the ships you have killed, and all of the isk ESA has lost, which is quite alot we are still here. My pilots are still fighting. Morale is high, and ESA is tighter then it ever was before. A piece of land nor the amount of isk we have doesnt define ESA. That is why my men will fight you until they have no ships left to lose. With that being said we will see you on the battlefield, and we thank you for this opportunity to fight some skilled opponents who can only help make ESA stronger. Unfortunately personalities, and egos have gotten the better of both** camps, and a grudge has formed that I doubt will ever go away. Whilst I would normally say HF and heres to smackfree locals we both know that isnt going to happen so Ill say GF instead

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