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Jei'son Bladesmith Caldari Bladesmith Mining and Development Consortium	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:28:00 - [1] Ok, I've found what seem to be contradictory posts on the forums about this so i'm confused.... Heres the situation, we're getting ready to deploy a high-sec research POS. I currently have the skills to manage research from 5 jumps away (I've done research at NPC station so I understand the basics) I already have a corporate hanger at an NPC station in the same system we intend to station the POS in to store extra fuel and such. Now here is the confusion...I assumed that to do research at the POS, the blueprints would have to be located AT THE POS, but I've read posts stating you can leave them in the corporate hanger of an NPC station in the same system. On the other hand, i've also read that to handle remote research from a POS you MUST have a corporate hanger array anchored to the POS to store your blueprints, that you can't store them in the mobile labs. What I need to know is..to do research at the POS, where can I store the BPOs so that I can manage research remotely? Can I store them at the mobile labs, do I need a corporate hanger module for the POS, or can I use the corp hanger at the NPC station? Thanx all * Not Just Cool...Warp to 0 Cool *
qvacky AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:49:00 - [2] You can do the research if the BPs are in a station in the same system as the POS. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. The main problem people seem to hit is that the BPs must be in the corp hangar, as it won't work from a personal hangar. I imagine that you could put the BPs in the actual labs themselves (they have the standard 7 corp division hangars) and do it that way, but i don't see any reason why you would.
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:46:00 - [3] Only snafu I found was that doing ML research on large warp bubble bpo required the reports and db's to be in the research lab hangar at the pos. This is a bit of an issue when your wanting to use alliance labs. Otherwise the above is spoton If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Jei'son Bladesmith Caldari Bladesmith Mining and Development Consortium	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:12:00 - [4] Awesome, thats what I was hoping for, thanx for the straight answers guys! * Not Just Cool...Warp to 0 Cool *
HighlanderUK Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp. 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:26:00 - [5] yep for safety have the bpo's in a nearby NPC station. any BPC's (copies) made have to be collected from POS and any T2 or such research that require components, like Rdb's, datasheets, reports and Consumer Electronics all have to be stored in the POS. so make sure you have a good large hauler with good defences. ************************************************** Maker of the finest Scottish drones and ammo...all combined with Active Peat Camouflage (tm) -- so dark, you won't see them coming!!
Jei'son Bladesmith Caldari Bladesmith Mining and Development Consortium	Posted - 2007.01.09 09:24:00 - [6] well this particular POS is gonna be in high sec, about 5000 km away from the NPC station i have an office in, so hauling shouldnt be a problem * Not Just Cool...Warp to 0 Cool *
Braaage eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.09 09:55:00 - [7] All the posters above missed one vital thing THIS You require that to Level 1 to be able to do the remote job from stn to lab in the same system.
Mona X Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Braaage All the posters above missed one vital thing THIS You require that to Level 1 to be able to do the remote job from stn to lab in the same system. You have missed one vital information: "I currently have the skills to manage research from 5 jumps away (I've done research at NPC station so I understand the basics)". -- Homo homini YAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:26:00 - [9] Jei'son: The great big idea behind the remote research thing is that you don't have to leave the BPOs at the POS. You can rent an office in an NPC station on the same system, place the BPOs in the Corp Hangar and do research on them, using your own labs. This way the BPOs stay safe inside an undestructible NPC station. Placing the BPOs inside a corporate hangar array or a mobile lab defeats the whole purpose. To do remote research, a corp hangar array anchored at the POS is NOT required. It may be possible to remote research a BPO stored on a corp hangar array (I haven't tried). And it is indeed posible to place BPOs inside the LAB itself (no scientific networking required), that I have tried and works fine. But's that mostly used by low-sec or 0.0 corps that don't have an NPC station around. For high-sec: * Train your scientific networking. * Rent an office in the same system. * Place your BPOs in corp hangar. * Research your BPO remotely.
Benedita Salvatore	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:07:00 - [10] Can this same "strategy" be used to manufacture things in a high security POS without risking the BPO? I¦m not even sure if manufacturing can be done in high security POS. Sorry if this is a little of topic.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.10 07:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Benedita Salvatore Can this same "strategy" be used to manufacture things in a high security POS without risking the BPO? I¦m not even sure if manufacturing can be done in high security POS. Sorry if this is a little of topic. Well, the thing with manufacturing in High-Sec POS is that there's no need for it. There are plenty of available manufacturing slots all over empire.
Ventris Maxwell	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:17:00 - [12] To add a little something from my experience. My labs used to be in 0.0 too far from a station with corp hangar for me to do this with so I was forced to put the bpos in the labs to do the research. What I found out was that even if you have the proper scientific networking skills you cannot remotely start the jobs at the labs. You cant even start them from over 1500 meters away. You are forced to go to the lab in order for Science and Industry to actually see the blueprint exists in the lab. I am not sure if this is oversight or intentional but it's rather annoying and defeats my scientific networking skill by forcing me to go to the POS to manage jobs. Remote delivery operates as normal.
Benedita Salvatore	Posted - 2007.01.10 21:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Benedita Salvatore Can this same "strategy" be used to manufacture things in a high security POS without risking the BPO? I¦m not even sure if manufacturing can be done in high security POS. Sorry if this is a little of topic. Well, the thing with manufacturing in High-Sec POS is that there's no need for it. There are plenty of available manufacturing slots all over empire. Really??? Didn¦t thought there where since i never left Jita IV-IV. My interest in knowing is because of tech2 production. Producing from a nice BPO faster can mean a big isk diference after a while.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:39:00 - [14] The jobs cannot be started remotely in other systems unless the bp's are in the labs. Only scenario where it works with the bpo's in a station is in the same system and with a corp hangar. Now one more footnote here. Some people have reported that if the office rental in the station lapses while you have prints in research, you lose the bpo and have to petition it. Now reimbursement petitions take a lot of time and you dont want to be at the mercy of the GMs at that time. They are also known to only replace BPOs with new ones at ME/PE zero, as they cannot spawn researched blueprints. So stay on top of your rental bills is the moral of the story here.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.11 06:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Jacque Custeau ... So stay on top of your rental bills is the moral of the story here. Very very true. And also, don't trust the bill email. Sometimes the bill arrives and there's no email with it. Check on your corporation window thingy and make a note about your bill dates, stick it on the monitor or someplace where it wont be ignored. And/or make an habit of cheking your corp bills (on the corp wallet). I check that after every login, even before cheking the eve-mails. Just like in rl, pay the bills on time.
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Benedita Salvatore Can this same "strategy" be used to manufacture things in a high security POS without risking the BPO? I¦m not even sure if manufacturing can be done in high security POS. Sorry if this is a little of topic. Well, the thing with manufacturing in High-Sec POS is that there's no need for it. There are plenty of available manufacturing slots all over empire. Heck yes there is!! But mostly for T2 production tho. If you want to build as many items per day as possible, and a bit extra build cost isnt a problem then manufacture in a Rapid Equipment Assembly Array. It builds 50% more items in the same time, for 20% more buildcost (rounded down). Isn't it great being a skill collector? Top 20 My Skills
Miri Tirzan Caldari Clan Korval	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Benedita Salvatore Can this same "strategy" be used to manufacture things in a high security POS without risking the BPO? I¦m not even sure if manufacturing can be done in high security POS. Sorry if this is a little of topic. Well, the thing with manufacturing in High-Sec POS is that there's no need for it. There are plenty of available manufacturing slots all over empire. Actually, yes you can and there is good reason to do so. I do this to increase my T2 Module production. Using the assembly array that uses the same amount of resources but does the work in 80% of the time I am able to significantly increase my production. The down side is the array cost 450 million and only does one thing at a time. But for T2, it is great, the BPO never leaves the station and I get increase production. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Miri Tirzan Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Benedita Salvatore Can this same "strategy" be used to manufacture things in a high security POS without risking the BPO? I¦m not even sure if manufacturing can be done in high security POS. Sorry if this is a little of topic. Well, the thing with manufacturing in High-Sec POS is that there's no need for it. There are plenty of available manufacturing slots all over empire. Actually, yes you can and there is good reason to do so. I do this to increase my T2 Module production. Using the assembly array that uses the same amount of resources but does the work in 80% of the time I am able to significantly increase my production. The down side is the array cost 450 million and only does one thing at a time. But for T2, it is great, the BPO never leaves the station and I get increase production. What are you building and what array do you use? Mine cost me 9 million and gives +50% items/day (0.65 buildtime per unit) For ships its different, but you said module.. Isn't it great being a skill collector? Top 20 My Skills
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.01.12 05:06:00 - [19] I don't think the OP is a T2 BPO owner....
Betty Blue Capitalist Pig Industries	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:48:00 - [20] One question abot using a research lab in POS and having the BPO in station: What happens if the POS get destroyed? is there any dangers to the BPO (gettign stuck in reserach or something) or does it just end the research?

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