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Z'ko
Gekutami Scorpions
3
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Posted - 2015.11.17 19:44:01 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:All of Eve should be low sec. Well then you need just one Jita with 0.1 sec status. Very fun. |
Kharaxus
Ninja Pixels
88
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Posted - 2015.11.17 19:53:04 -
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Avvy wrote:I wish I knew that the other day when I spent 75 million on subsystem books.
Approx. 1 Billion for Carrier skillbooks.
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Kharaxus
Ninja Pixels
88
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:08:56 -
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Hal Morsh wrote: 2 is practically impossible. People are ALWAYS in system, and if they aren't, they will be. I already mentioned this when I said I would rather not sit docked up doing nothing.
3 is just a symptom. I can't rat null and low any lower than an algos with T2 drones and T2 lows, they die too often to players. Hell I recently lost an afk cloaked prospect due to cloaking not agreeing with belt rats. I wouldn't have been afk cloaked if I had the option to be in space without cloak. I was cloak mining in small bits before I said **** it and went afk, but then belt rats decloaked me 2 hours before I even came back. If I can't fight em, i'll afk cloak em. (which does not solve the problem btw) Cloak mining was a last resort as war decs meant we weren't allowed into highsec. Gotta make isk somehow while being chased around lowsec by everybody and their grandmother whilst the blues are off doing fleets 20 jumps away.
Don't forget #1.
You are in a Corp (only 7 members? In Null sec?). But you ARE in an alliance? In Null sec? Why don't you join the fleets? You have a decent Killboard - you seem competent even. You were in a kill that had 46 people involved in it. HOW do 46 people get organized enough to be involved in killing one T1 cruiser?
Is English your second language?
So maybe re-evaluate your priorities in Eve to something you can do solo? Sounds like you are trying to play solo already. |
Kharaxus
Ninja Pixels
88
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:09:44 -
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Thierry Orlenard wrote:
I just...what? You went AFK cloaky right in the middle of a belt? For hours? Why didn't you warp off to a safe before going cloaky and AFK ?
He sees alts. |
Valacus
Streets of Fire
14
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:34:08 -
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Alt exploitation makes a lot of things in EVE undoable. You can't cut the ISK lines for major alliances because they can just farm anoms and incursions in high sec on another account in an unaffiliated corp/alliance. You can't have a bounty system because people will simply blow themselves up on another characer in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and claim their own bounty. You can't cut their supply lines because people will just use JF alts in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and leave that corp for a new one if you wardec it.
But at the same time, the game is designed to force you to use alternate accounts. You can only train one character per account. You can only JC once every 24 hours, and now you have jump aids that prevents you from using jump drives and bridges to make up the distance in space, so if your main lives in nulsec you can't just run to Jita whenever you need something. You can't safely move around on your own even in high sec, so you must have a scout if you're flying anything valuable, but there's no one who's going to scout for your 24/7 besides yourself. Fleets with links completely outclass fleets without links, and links will be the first thing targeted on the field so we use them all off grid, yet no one wants to be that one guy who flies in a straight line by himself in the middle of nowhere while everyone else has fun, so you someone has to have a booster alt to ensure you can compete. You can't train for both combat and industry at the same time, so if you're new you need at least 2 accounts just to be able to experience the depth of the whole game, and even then you're still missing a huge portion if you don't at least run 3. The list goes on and on. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12948
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:38:03 -
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Valacus wrote:Alt exploitation makes a lot of things in EVE undoable. You can't cut the ISK lines for major alliances because they can just farm anoms and incursions in high sec on another account in an unaffiliated corp/alliance. You can't have a bounty system because people will simply blow themselves up on another characer in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and claim their own bounty. You can't cut their supply lines because people will just use JF alts in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and leave that corp for a new one if you wardec it.
But at the same time, the game is designed to force you to use alternate accounts. You can only train one character per account. You can only JC once every 24 hours, and now you have jump aids that prevents you from using jump drives and bridges to make up the distance in space, so if your main lives in nulsec you can't just run to Jita whenever you need something. You can't safely move around on your own even in high sec, so you must have a scout if you're flying anything valuable, but there's no one who's going to scout for your 24/7 besides yourself. Fleets with links completely outclass fleets without links, and links will be the first thing targeted on the field so we use them all off grid, yet no one wants to be that one guy who flies in a straight line by himself in the middle of nowhere while everyone else has fun, so you someone has to have a booster alt to ensure you can compete. You can't train for both combat and industry at the same time, so if you're new you need at least 2 accounts just to be able to experience the depth of the whole game, and even then you're still missing a huge portion if you don't at least run 3. The list goes on and on.
What, exactly, do you like about EVE?
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.11.17 23:58:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: What, exactly, do you like about EVE?
He's not wrong though; the prevelence of alts does make things more convenient for the player but at the same time it flies squarely in the face of the type of game that CCP want to make. How can I win a war by disrupting my enemies isk making when they can unload that responsibility from their main to some alt.
CCP wants our characters to have meaning? Well why let us make an unlimited amount of alt accounts to take over any responsibilities the main can't meet. CCP wants us to interact with each other? Well too bad, it's much simpler just having alts do things for me.
First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
226
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Posted - 2015.11.18 00:22:24 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote: First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.
Never going to happen, CCP would lose too many alt accounts.
It would also force solo players into a situation where they can't supply their own support. So you may lose those players especially as they solo for a reason.
If the game had started and stayed 1 character only the situation might have been different, but it hasn't.
If isk was easier to get with one character, the likelihood is more people would PLEX so CCP would have to make that subscription cost up somehow. It wouldn't be the cost of the sub, because they still need to make it fairly competitive with other MMOs. So the likelihood would be more in the shop, items that you would want, beyond skins.
It'll never happen because they wouldn't be able to make it happen, it's too late for that.
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Kharaxus
Ninja Pixels
89
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Posted - 2015.11.18 00:38:07 -
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Avvy wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote: First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.
Never going to happen, CCP would lose all their alt accounts. It would also force solo players into a situation where they can't supply their own support. So you may lose those players especially as they solo for a reason. If the game had started and stayed 1 character only the situation might have been different, but it hasn't. If isk was easier to get with one character, the likelihood is more people would PLEX so CCP would have to make that subscription cost up somehow. It wouldn't be the cost of the sub, because they still need to make it fairly competitive with other MMOs. So the likelihood would be more in the shop, items that you would want, beyond skins. It'll never happen because they wouldn't be able to make it happen, it's too late for that.
Along with lost income from dual-training. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
226
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Posted - 2015.11.18 00:40:56 -
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Kharaxus wrote:Avvy wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote: First thing first is CCP should get rid of all the boring non-roles that are currently filled by alts allowing people to get by easier with a single character. Then they should (I have no idea how) restrict players to only one character enabling us players to come up with complex ways of messing with our enemies.
Never going to happen, CCP would lose all their alt accounts. It would also force solo players into a situation where they can't supply their own support. So you may lose those players especially as they solo for a reason. If the game had started and stayed 1 character only the situation might have been different, but it hasn't. If isk was easier to get with one character, the likelihood is more people would PLEX so CCP would have to make that subscription cost up somehow. It wouldn't be the cost of the sub, because they still need to make it fairly competitive with other MMOs. So the likelihood would be more in the shop, items that you would want, beyond skins. It'll never happen because they wouldn't be able to make it happen, it's too late for that. Along with lost income from dual-training.
As well as annoying all their customers that have alts, because of the time and isk/currency that's gone into them. It would cost CCP too much to compensate those players. |
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.11.18 08:29:42 -
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It would **** off a lot of people and I agree maybe it would be bad for business, but it is the type of game CCP seem to want. My point was only that too many alts are bad from a gameplay perspective and it would be great if CCP could figure out a way to reduce the need for alts possibly by removing some of the more dull "activities" from the game.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
464
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Posted - 2015.11.18 15:47:06 -
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Kuronaga wrote:As in any strategy game, to kill your enemy the most critical blow is to kill their economy.
In the past, I found that hitting the botters had a good effect on pissing off the russians, but this is certainly true of any alliance I'm sure. Ergo, and according to Sun Tzu, the only way to live is to have an economy impervious to destruction. Does EVE penalize this by making it preferable to have NO economy - thus shooting themselves in the foot with regard to FizzleSoV-«?
Paranoia strikes deep....
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1891
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Posted - 2015.11.18 16:17:50 -
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Hal Morsh wrote: Problem here is I can't wait untill they are collecting resources from that system and return the favor, because they never do. All the isk making is off on some Gila in 0.8 space farming refuges, and you can't reasonably kill those now can you? I tried to gank one with an 800 dps polarized catalyst, that didn't take 1 tenth of his shield buffer.
Looks like you are not cut out for highsec elite PvP yet. Better stick to easy mode lowsec/nullsec PvP where you don't have to face CONCORD. We all had to start small.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Pelle Wittewoa
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.11.18 16:26:25 -
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only isk nerfs aka plex roi boostings |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
445
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Posted - 2015.11.20 00:16:42 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: Looks like you are not cut out for highsec elite PvP yet. Better stick to easy mode lowsec/nullsec PvP where you don't have to face CONCORD. We all had to start small.
CODE is just a bunch of wanabe Scientologists, please stop talking ass backwards.
Also just an FYI when some CODE dude in a mecharial was demanding 200 million ransom from a freighter he was bumping? I arrived to help unbump the freighter, and got the 200 mill ransom instead as a gift.
Also going to mention the fact CODE has never once ganked me. So much for "elites"... Marmite's even killed me more than you have!
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
358
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Posted - 2015.11.20 00:32:30 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Looks like you are not cut out for highsec elite PvP yet. Better stick to easy mode lowsec/nullsec PvP where you don't have to face CONCORD. We all had to start small.
CODE is just a bunch of wanabe Scientologists, please stop talking ass backwards. Also just an FYI when some CODE dude in a mecharial was demanding 200 million ransom from a freighter he was bumping? I arrived to help unbump the freighter, and got the 200 mill ransom instead as a gift. Also going to mention the fact CODE has never once ganked me. So much for "elites"... Marmite's even killed me more than you have!
you know things are bad when you on marmite kilboard but not on code's |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
445
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Posted - 2015.11.20 00:42:02 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Looks like you are not cut out for highsec elite PvP yet. Better stick to easy mode lowsec/nullsec PvP where you don't have to face CONCORD. We all had to start small.
CODE is just a bunch of wanabe Scientologists, please stop talking ass backwards. Also just an FYI when some CODE dude in a mecharial was demanding 200 million ransom from a freighter he was bumping? I arrived to help unbump the freighter, and got the 200 mill ransom instead as a gift. Also going to mention the fact CODE has never once ganked me. So much for "elites"... Marmite's even killed me more than you have! you know things are bad when you on marmite kilboard but not on code's
Some Russian was trying to gank me once. He wasn't code tho. He also warped in at range, sooooo.....
Marmite killed me a few jumps off the noob station with my belongings when I joined some corp, then sheet killed my pod a few jumps later with an interdictor cruiser (which to this day still confuses me). Then there was the day I was yellow and didn't want to wait to dock at amarr in my pod. Lets just say the game likes to place you a few k off station from time to time.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2415
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Posted - 2015.11.21 00:41:20 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Hal Morsh is a strong contender for worst eve player. Depending on aspect I think you are a strong contender.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
29
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Posted - 2015.11.21 02:38:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Valacus wrote:Alt exploitation makes a lot of things in EVE undoable. You can't cut the ISK lines for major alliances because they can just farm anoms and incursions in high sec on another account in an unaffiliated corp/alliance. You can't have a bounty system because people will simply blow themselves up on another characer in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and claim their own bounty. You can't cut their supply lines because people will just use JF alts in an unaffiliated corp/alliance and leave that corp for a new one if you wardec it.
But at the same time, the game is designed to force you to use alternate accounts. You can only train one character per account. You can only JC once every 24 hours, and now you have jump aids that prevents you from using jump drives and bridges to make up the distance in space, so if your main lives in nulsec you can't just run to Jita whenever you need something. You can't safely move around on your own even in high sec, so you must have a scout if you're flying anything valuable, but there's no one who's going to scout for your 24/7 besides yourself. Fleets with links completely outclass fleets without links, and links will be the first thing targeted on the field so we use them all off grid, yet no one wants to be that one guy who flies in a straight line by himself in the middle of nowhere while everyone else has fun, so you someone has to have a booster alt to ensure you can compete. You can't train for both combat and industry at the same time, so if you're new you need at least 2 accounts just to be able to experience the depth of the whole game, and even then you're still missing a huge portion if you don't at least run 3. The list goes on and on. What, exactly, do you like about EVE?
nowt - and that's what keeps him happy
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Ruddger
Hmmzor.
0
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Posted - 2015.11.21 21:41:51 -
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Eve has many flaws, alts and high sec ganking is one of them, but surviving in low sec or making isk in low or high sec is not one of the flaws.
In my opinion it is already far far too easy to make isk in low and high sec in relative safety. I've tried to work with you hal. I've tried to teach you the most basic concepts of survival, but so far you've mostly refused to listen or engage these ideas. I assure you we can train you to make isk, and survive, and kill people, you've already killed people, and most of your deaths were avoidable.
You need to stop trying to change the game, and change how you are flying.
On a side note, we're recruiting if anyone here is crazy enough to come help me train new guys in pvp and survival. :) |
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Lianara Dayton
Society for Peace and Unity
17
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Posted - 2015.11.23 10:03:51 -
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Avvy wrote: If isk was easier to get with one character, the likelihood is more people would PLEX so CCP would have to make that subscription cost up somehow. It wouldn't be the cost of the sub, because they still need to make it fairly competitive with other MMOs. So the likelihood would be more in the shop, items that you would want, beyond skins.
For CCP it's entierly irrelevant if you pay for your account using PLEX or using your credit card. Every month of game time that exists as PLEX was paid for by a player with RL money.
Lianara Dayton, Society for Peace and Unity
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