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Wesley Baird HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:41:00 - [1] I am a relative n00b to the wonderful world of Eve. I started playing Dec 13th, and play exclusively in 0.0 space. I have had many experiences with various 'hostiles' and 'pirates'. I like to talk with the enemy in local, which is something I have gotten in trouble for a few times from my Corpmates. I want to know what is wrong with chatting with hostiles? We had a band of them enter our system yesterday in search of ratters to kill. I of course started talking to them right away, I am not giving away any tactical information...but merely making friendly comments. When I asked my Corpmates why it was so wrong to chat with the enemy, they said 'Its just not done'. I have alot of respect for my guys, and although I found the answer not very satisfying I did comply with their request not to engage the enemy. One point a few days ago, I was chased by 8 pirates who were putting up a nice gate camp. I managed to elude them in the system for 5-6 minutes, over which time I had a nice conversation with 1 of the members as he kindly tried to convince me the joys of debarking my ship in space. While I found his offer very kind, I had to refuse and jumped from safe spot to safe spot. The pirates got bored of the game of cat and mouse, and moved on to more fruitful space. I found the encounter thrilling and fun, I believe the pirate I spoke to got a few laughs from it as well. What is the problem with the mice speaking with the cats? I love the bad guy element of the game. If it werent for hostiles and pirates 0.0 would not be so fun, or profitable. Don't get me wrong, I am not cheering for the bad guys, but I think they play an important role in the game. Sorry for the rambling, but I am left wondering, what is so wrong about chatting with the enemy in local?
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:44:00 - [2] Because even in a small corp/gang it's hard to control ALL of your members from smacking. In an alliance of 2000+ its even HARDER to get them not to smack hence a policy of no local chat is probably prefered ? Maybe... I haven't been in the alliance game for 2 years lol Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:47:00 - [3] People tend to smack and insult eachother in the local chat during fights- just another way of "getting to" your enemy. Clearly lots of people doing this from the same corp/alliance would give your alliance a bad name, therefore many corps and alliances have a no local rule- thou others simply have a no smack rule. Others go farther and prevent you from posting here on eve-o, or just in the corp and alliances forums, however I personly feel this goes to far. Therefore theres generally nothing wrong with local, but smacking in local and finding aways of avoidng it. Of course if you have a problem with this there are many corps that do not enforce such rules.
Wesley Baird HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:53:00 - [4] By smacking, do you mean trash talk? My local chatter is far more of the light hearted variety. I don't insult the enemies, not at all. Its usually just fun banter.
Tammarr	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:56:00 - [5] Talk all you want, free speech in space ^_^ Long as you can do it without turning to worthless smacktalk, ok, some of the more "meant in jest" smacktalk is actually kinda fun to read :), I say you should be allowed to talk. If your in a bigger gang it is however wiser to say nothing all since everyone and his mother will start going after the bone if they see if, pack of sheep that think they are dangerous babelfishes anyone? So, if its just a few enemies, talk all you want, dont be rude and hopefully get a couple of giggles. If your in something bigger, for the love of my eyes, dont let the wo-sheep start to kvack.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Wesley Baird By smacking, do you mean trash talk? My local chatter is far more of the light hearted variety. I don't insult the enemies, not at all. Its usually just fun banter. Yeah when we say smack in eve just trash talk. Ie downright abuse and expletives lol. To taunting the enemy to try and make them fight etc etc etc... Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:03:00 - [7] also you can wage a very effective psycological (possibly spelt wrong ) battle on your enemies. if they are staring at a bunch of -10 guys for example in command ships then ltos of ppl get a bit afraid and can affect their usefulness in combat. if u stay totally silent in local this adds to the effect. one of u saying "hey guys how is everyone today?" kinda messes that up and ur enemy relaxes. just my thoughts anyhoo DE
Kamazani Minmatar The Legion.	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:13:00 - [8] Jesus.... none of you answered his question. Wesley, I know it's hard to fathom and I know it seems impossible as you might think the entire world revolves around you. But there are OTHER people in the system and by smack talking and riling up the pirates you keep them in the system. The other ratters and such didn't envision spending all their time bouncing from safe spot to safe spot or camping the local in a station. That is probably the bulk of it. Aside from that you should know that you represent the Crop and your actions can reflect back upon them. Smack talk all you wish, keep in mind the rubber band always has a limit to how far it can stretch until it slaps your right in the face. --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Wesley Baird HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 10/01/2007 15:15:19 As I have said, I don't smack talk. I ask how the hunting is going? I ask questions about their setups...warn them of the nasty drone NPC's... I actually do want the hostiles to stay in system, as our system has only one gate. The longer hostiles stay in system, the more time my alliance members have to set up a camp on the other side of the gate. We managed to destroy 2 of 3 ships that came into our system the other day. I like to think my chatter bought our hunters an extra few seconds to setup...
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Kamazani Jesus.... none of you answered his question. Wesley, I know it's hard to fathom and I know it seems impossible as you might think the entire world revolves around you. But there are OTHER people in the system and by smack talking and riling up the pirates you keep them in the system. The other ratters and such didn't envision spending all their time bouncing from safe spot to safe spot or camping the local in a station. That is probably the bulk of it. Aside from that you should know that you represent the Crop and your actions can reflect back upon them. Smack talk all you wish, keep in mind the rubber band always has a limit to how far it can stretch until it slaps your right in the face. ok i'm left thinking that you didn't even read his post and just like trolling and his question was what's wrong with talking in loca, not smacking. and i think a few ppl answered that quite nicely DE
Kamazani Minmatar The Legion.	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:42:00 - [11] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Kamazani Jesus.... none of you answered his question. Wesley, I know it's hard to fathom and I know it seems impossible as you might think the entire world revolves around you. But there are OTHER people in the system and by smack talking and riling up the pirates you keep them in the system. The other ratters and such didn't envision spending all their time bouncing from safe spot to safe spot or camping the local in a station. That is probably the bulk of it. Aside from that you should know that you represent the Crop and your actions can reflect back upon them. Smack talk all you wish, keep in mind the rubber band always has a limit to how far it can stretch until it slaps your right in the face. ok i'm left thinking that you didn't even read his post and just like trolling and his question was what's wrong with talking in loca, not smacking. and i think a few ppl answered that quite nicely DE actually what the bulk of it is saying is "nuffin wrong with talking in local, smack talking isn't wrong, blah blah blah" the OP is wondering whats wrong with talking in local, he's obviously smack talking them if he's got hostiles putting a lot of effort to find him. --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Caleb Paine Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Kamazani Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Kamazani Jesus.... none of you answered his question. Wesley, I know it's hard to fathom and I know it seems impossible as you might think the entire world revolves around you. But there are OTHER people in the system and by smack talking and riling up the pirates you keep them in the system. The other ratters and such didn't envision spending all their time bouncing from safe spot to safe spot or camping the local in a station. That is probably the bulk of it. Aside from that you should know that you represent the Crop and your actions can reflect back upon them. Smack talk all you wish, keep in mind the rubber band always has a limit to how far it can stretch until it slaps your right in the face. ok i'm left thinking that you didn't even read his post and just like trolling and his question was what's wrong with talking in loca, not smacking. and i think a few ppl answered that quite nicely DE actually what the bulk of it is saying is "nuffin wrong with talking in local, smack talking isn't wrong, blah blah blah" the OP is wondering whats wrong with talking in local, he's obviously smack talking them if he's got hostiles putting a lot of effort to find him. You have issues, you also need to actually read posts and understand the gist of them before posting --------------------------------- INFINITE TECHNOLOGIES We provide solutions for your problems Contact us on our forums or ingame
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:52:00 - [13] my corps does it all the time add's a little flavour plus you make friends while you're at it sometimes 1 days enemy is another days friend nothing wrong with it so long as you don't smack, but i guess it depends on your corps rules
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Kamazani actually what the bulk of it is saying is "nuffin wrong with talking in local, smack talking isn't wrong, blah blah blah" the OP is wondering whats wrong with talking in local, he's obviously smack talking them if he's got hostiles putting a lot of effort to find him. go back to school and learn to read little troll. his whole point is that he is just talking normally to them not smacking. and yeah i also like to do that. always like to talk to someone after i've killed them or they've killed me. makes it fun. but i rarely talk before combat happens for reasons given before. DE
Damien Smith Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:36:00 - [15] I often chat with the locals, but rarely before the fight. Although I did have a nice chat with a ferox pilot I was fighting in a belt while we were fighting a few days ago. It started with a "Let's rumble" from him as I warped in and scrambled him and then moved on to us chatting about how busy it had been in placid lately, us both fooling some noobie into thinking I was attacking the Ferox pilot with a moros, all while his shields slowly dropped and I took him into armour, then ceased fire and offered a ransom (which he accepted). So it really depends what the situation is. Large group vs large group usually results in a smack fest if they all chat in local. In small 1-3 man fights though you can more often than not enjoy a friendly chat. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
Jaedar Metron Deadly Alliance Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:49:00 - [16] Nothing wrong with talking mate, as a rather friendly pirate I do it all the time
dennyreborn	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:53:00 - [17] piracy a little playful banter makes this more fun and reminds everyone involved it is just a game. Smack should be avoided though sometimes a kind hearted joke to one is smack to another. in wars it is best to be silent in chat. you'd be surprised how much info you can get out of someone smacking if you egg him on just right.
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:48:00 - [18] I don't smack because it's forbidden. However, I do like to talk to people in local and that aggravates certain people in my corp who shall remain nameless even if they're the first picture in my sig.
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:13:00 - [19] As an ex member of your corp im suprised such things are being asked of you, we always used to chat with people in local, its just sociable. Personally i think its fine and even encouragable to have a friendly chat with enemys in local or after a fight, to me its just common courtesy tbh. However if its being asked of you chances are its to avoid you trash talking the enemy which can realy cheepen a corps reputation
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.10 21:48:00 - [20] I refrain from talking in local at all due to the all to common befriend the pirate so he won't pew pew trick. I've fallen for it twice. The last guy to try and use that on me was this guy toxant. Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I refrain from talking in local at all due to the all to common befriend the pirate so he won't pew pew trick. I've fallen for it twice. The last guy to try and use that on me was this guy toxant. That doesn't work on me. Chances are I've decided whether or not I'm coming for you before we even start chatting it up. I'll still chat with you though - but don't be surprised when I warp in.
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:37:00 - [22] I agree 100% with the OP. I love chatting in local, even while someone is shooting me. I have been known to even compliment their setup or make recommendations. Nothing they wouldnt learn from the forums or corp mates. I figure why not? Just because I want their corpse, doesnt mean I cant be social? I have sometimes been told by the local Alliance where I sometimes hang out to be quiet. But I dont give away intel. Unless you think asking how someone is doing is giving away tactical information? Oh yes, they just learned I speak english and can type. I am sooooo doomed Seriously, excellent topic. I have often wondered the same thing as the OP. Spending hours looking for targets, I often like a little foreplay but not smack. S&M
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:37:00 - [23] I talk to people in local, and would consider any alliance that forces it's members to keep quiet facist and laughable. If pilots in your alliance aren't mature enough to contain themselves they shouldn't be there. I personally throw whatever I feel like into local, (I refrain from literal abuse though)most of it's friendly and the stuff that isn't is usually random or a simple "Later chumps." I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
Stakhanov Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Gamble Dakota I talk to people in local, and would consider any alliance that forces it's members to keep quiet facist and laughable. Actually , all it takes is a lunatic CEO to be kicked for that reason
Freyya Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.01.11 09:38:00 - [25] Edited by: Freyya on 11/01/2007 09:35:43 Sinn you are hereby ordered not to talk on the forums!! ...you are giving away valuable tactical information... sheesh why tell every1 you can talk english?? now they all know no more spirits and exotic dansers for a week! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------to be or not to be is not important in the world of EVE... To be the most you can become is...
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.11 13:59:00 - [26] I like to talk to people in local, especially when im drunk. I'll have a friendly chat with anyone, even if you kill me or visa versa, but, entertaining the enemy with local chatter during long sieges is counter productive so that's generally a no no
Menod Penter Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.15 00:03:00 - [27] Originally by: T'Renn ..... However, I do like to talk to people in local and that aggravates certain people in my corp who shall remain nameless even if they're the first picture in my sig. You have to be kidding.... I chat with her all the time in local chat :) Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
Menod Penter Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.15 00:03:00 - [28] Originally by: T'Renn ..... However, I do like to talk to people in local and that aggravates certain people in my corp who shall remain nameless even if they're the first picture in my sig. You have to be kidding.... I chat with her all the time in local chat :) Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
Kehmor Caldari PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.15 00:09:00 - [29] Give your enemy no amunition for forum wars.
Kovacs Caprios Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:25:00 - [30] You can be civil after all....

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