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Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 03:19:00 - [1] - Quote Zions Child wrote: Vernn wrote: Andski wrote: Solutions: 1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron 2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not. 3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble. By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them) 1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind. Do they mass produce arrogant idiots who wave around degrees with no sort of verification on the internet in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect? Because seriously, you're the second one I've found today. You aren't the only person with a college degree, and a college degree hardly verifies your intellect or your common sense. To say the least of you making such a claim on the internets, which we all know are filled to bursting with truth. Looks like they produced massed arrogant idiots that put other people down in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect. Perhaps if you had a degree you might see the irony there. EDIT: Damnit in second...
Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 04:09:00 - [2] - Quote AkJon Ferguson wrote: Vernn wrote: This is a game, its supposed to be fun. On this point you're completely wrong (and you're the 2nd person I've had to correct on this point today.) EVE is not really a game, per se, it is a virtual world. It is not 'supposed' to be exciting or boring. It is not 'supposed' to be easy or hard. It is not 'supposed' to be fun or excruciating. Any more than life is. But the mechanics need to make sense and be 'fair' or else the integrity of the virtual world and the sense of immersion are compromised. Botting, exploits and flawed (unfair) game mechanics are poison to virtual worlds. CCP has a long track record of neglect in these areas and that is indeed the single biggest problem holding EVE back from its potential. Er, no. First, any sentence containing the phrases "you're completely wrong" or "you're the second person I've had to correct on this" smacks of arrogance and a desperate need for self-importance. Next time try, "I disagree." It will save you some typing and it's MUCH more polite, not to mention accurate. Second, I think most people mean "entertaining" when they say "fun" as that is truly what time sinks like EVE are for. They aren't supposed to reflect real life perfectly. They are supposed to give us enjoyment. Third, Being a game created by a revenue driven company EVE has to entertain if it wants to make money for CCP. Fourth, if EVE is a sandbox, there are bullies in that sandbox and most people don't like bullies and THAT is probably the biggest thing keeping people from subscribing to this game. Immersion and a feeling of fairness is difficult in a game where a guy can walk into your house, wreck your car, steal your stuff and maybe even kill you and then all he needs to do is get a lift home with your stuff because all the police did was wreck HIS car. "Do unto others and then run" helped build EVE but it will likely be EVE's biggest stumbling block to blowout success if it is not handled more carefully.
Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:23:00 - [3] - Quote Brujo Loco wrote: a long boring wall of nullbeard parroting that makes mmo pvp seem REALLY cool Cool story bro but it's just a game. No one actually gets hurt and no one actually dies. You make it sound like you and your like are some kind of e-rambos.
Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 20:54:00 - [4] - Quote Brujo Loco wrote: Nullbeard Rager wrote: Brujo Loco wrote: a long boring wall of nullbeard parroting that makes mmo pvp seem REALLY cool Cool story bro but it's just a game. No one actually gets hurt and no one actually dies. You make it sound like you and your like are some kind of e-rambos. Interesting as I'm neither a PVPer nor a full time HI Sec dweller, fact is, I'm nothing of anything in EVE, but an observer. Have been, Am and will be Always. Seems you totally misinterpreted the "root of the idea" approach I was trying to explain and for some personal reason decided to convolute it and retort with the "just a game" cliche. The "Just a Game" cliche is a Fallacy. Games (the lay man's term people used by referral when using the phrase) by their nature are entertainment activities whose purposes are SOCIAL(fun, pecking order, competition, etc). In the wider spectrum what we are dealing with IS a MultiBillion $ INDUSTRY that feeds and clothes throngs of employees and their respective families, this is as much a "game" as Oil is Prehistoric Green Furries goo and the medicinal aspect of it is to cure dropsy and common household maladies. Back on track: Perpetuating the "just a game" fallacy is believing the end user is the sole receptor in the whole virtual ecosystem of MMO's, and video games for that Matter. This is not the 1980's and the techie nerds are playing Zork. This is no longer Sierra growing as a back kitchen family business that could have been instead baking cookies. The acid and sardonic "spaceships is srz business" is more REAL than the other one. What we dealing with here is an interesting, and flourishing ONE SIDED view of the world that fails to grasp Interconnectability in virtual mediums, delegating computers, software and anything tech related to mere Wizardry or "happenstance" with no real world implications in YOUR world. That my friend is like shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the gods. Anyway, no, if I believed one side or the other to be better or worst I would be just spitting up pretending the spit wont come back down on me, hence my Swiss stance. so for you alone TLDR: Spaceships is srz business, whether u believe it or not and you totally misinterpreted my rambling. Peace and Happiness to your house and may you always be well. I also like pie. <3 Brujo PD: I love the rebuttals in this thread too btw, keep en coming, its fun to read during the tedium of teaching people and reviewing exams. It would probably work better if you didn't try to use so many words to say "I don't think you understand the changing paradigms in social media" or something similar. You DO write like an academic who wants people to know how educated you are. As an IT professional I don't find routers and servers to be particularly magical. Impressive yes, magical, no. Found this in another thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t71cexWzvM&feature=player_embedded#! That pretty much covers most of EVE 0.0 literally and metaphorically. EVE is little more than a sandbox with bullies and some other bits attached to support that. If EVE closed tomorrow social media and gaming would notice their passing with a tip of the hat but that's about it. EVE isn't swimming in market share and it's also almost ten years old. It is NOT the cutting edge of social media. Furthermore CCP has fostered and catered to a group of people that pats itself on the back for being douchebags...in a game. They promote bullying in face of the fact that most humans don't like being bullied...then they wonder what they need to do to bring in more subscriptions. It's really sort of sad to watch. The current generation of potential customers is even more obsessed with entitlement and immediate gratification than ever before and if their entertainment doesn't deliver, they won't pay for it. Don't kid yourself into thinking this game, or whatever label you want to place on it, is the bleeding edge of social media. It's more like a well-used shank sitting on a dusty shelf in someones garage with some rust and blood spots on it. Despite it's age and experience and large number of genuinely good points, people are still not lining up to play EVE. Most humans don't want to be bullied. Many people like to READ about what happens in EVE but most of that is schadenfreude. Most humans don't want to actually LIVE a null-sec lifestyle, even in a game. A lot of people play this game to relax and unwind with some mindless activity. Perhaps you observed some of this? CCP needs to HTFU and get with the program if they want to expand their player base. Like really making EVE more of a virtual world where all parts are supported rather than just the bullies in the sandbox.
Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.12.13 22:05:00 - [5] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Nullbeard Rager wrote: It would probably work better if you didn't try to use so many words to say "I don't think you understand the changing paradigms in social media" or something similar. You DO write like an academic who wants people to know how educated you are. As an IT professional I don't find routers and servers to be particularly magical. Impressive yes, magical, no. Found this in another thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t71cexWzvM&feature=player_embedded#! That pretty much covers most of EVE 0.0 literally and metaphorically. EVE is little more than a sandbox with bullies and some other bits attached to support that. If EVE closed tomorrow social media and gaming would notice their passing with a tip of the hat but that's about it. EVE isn't swimming in market share and it's also almost ten years old. It is NOT the cutting edge of social media. Furthermore CCP has fostered and catered to a group of people that pats itself on the back for being douchebags...in a game. They promote bullying in face of the fact that most humans don't like being bullied...then they wonder what they need to do to bring in more subscriptions. It's really sort of sad to watch. The current generation of potential customers is even more obsessed with entitlement and immediate gratification than ever before and if their entertainment doesn't deliver, they won't pay for it. Don't kid yourself into thinking this game, or whatever label you want to place on it, is the bleeding edge of social media. It's more like a well-used shank sitting on a dusty shelf in someones garage with some rust and blood spots on it. Despite it's age and experience and large number of genuinely good points, people are still not lining up to play EVE. Most humans don't want to be bullied. Many people like to READ about what happens in EVE but most of that is schadenfreude. Most humans don't want to actually LIVE a null-sec lifestyle, even in a game. A lot of people play this game to relax and unwind with some mindless activity. Perhaps you observed some of this? CCP needs to HTFU and get with the program if they want to expand their player base. Like really making EVE more of a virtual world where all parts are supported rather than just the bullies in the sandbox. Somehow I think that CCP made a very conscious decision not to design Hello Kitty in space... and are quite happy with both their market share and the type of game they have created. Obviously those that prefer mindless entertainment have every right to pursue that... in an appropriate medium. They do not have the right to demand that something designed to be totally different be re imagined to "become" mindless entertainment. Ahh another "hello kitty" parrot. I seriously doubt that CCP will ever be truly HAPPY with EVE as long as they are trying to produce the best product they can and since they have limited their potential customer base they may be satisfied in some way but again not truly happy. Companies that fire employees and lose subscriptions are probably not so happy about their market share, but maybe that's just me. I have always said CCP has the right to make the game they want to make. They ARE allowed to alienate their potential customer base if they want to and they ARE allowed to leave millions of ISK on the table if they want in pursuit of the game they want to produce. I don't think anyone is questioning that right. What people ARE questioning is why EVE, since it is able to accommodate multiple types of play, doesn't do more to accommodate multiple types of play and therefore widen its customer base and bring in more players (and potentially more targets), CCP being a for profit business and some of the pvp player base being a bit bored and all. Plenty of people have fantasies that EVE is a sandbox game but reality is quite different. Highsec and trade and industry exist. Quit parroting that crap about PVP 24/7/365. CCP could have saved themselves millions of ISK in development and just created a game that was all 0.0 with a few small educational systems to get players feet wet before kicking them into the sandbox. They didn't (And sorry, It's not like EVE is that intellectually engaging.) Of course if the idea really is still more about producing a game that caters to bullies and trolls rather than one that entertains more people and makes more money...Perhaps you are right. Maybe they ARE happy.
Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2011.12.14 19:15:00 - [6] - Quote Andski wrote: HURR DURR...y'all is dumb!!! /yawn

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