Originally by: PCaBoo

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Astrometrics
Astrometric Triangulation
Astrometric Pinpointing
Signal Acquisition

All at level 4 minimum. Even at 5, probing missions is a crapshoot. I think someone said it was 3% probability.
My little trick is to drop probes near a station w/ lvl 4 agent and scan constantly. When the guy undocks to do his mission, you pray that the scan ends around when he comes out of warp. I probe a lot, but only catch maybe 5 a day, if i'm lucky.

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Originally by: PCaBoo

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Astrometrics
Astrometric Triangulation
Astrometric Pinpointing
Signal Acquisition

All at level 4 minimum. Even at 5, probing missions is a crapshoot. I think someone said it was 3% probability.
My little trick is to drop probes near a station w/ lvl 4 agent and scan constantly. When the guy undocks to do his mission, you pray that the scan ends around when he comes out of warp. I probe a lot, but only catch maybe 5 a day, if i'm lucky.

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I am aching to be probed

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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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can it still be done?

if so what do i need to do?

I have several isk farmers in low sec where I am aching to be probed

can someone tell me what skills i need? and what probes etc?

cheers

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Originally by: Yblarbo Janks

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1 out of 10 mission runners don't mind being probed, so 3% success rate is a bit too low.

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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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Originally by: Soporo

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I am aching to be probed

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Originally by: Petrothian Tong

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dunno, is still easy to scan for ppl, but is more of a grind (click click click) now than the old system...

and yeah, theres afew tricks to it..

but the old system was great.. takes skill.

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Originally by: Portios Smith

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1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug

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Originally by: Wilhelm Beck

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Xendie,

Its completely obvious to all of us who play EVE that the pirates always get shafted. What i mean is that Killing another players pride, joy, and isk mobile should obviously be a thing to achieve lightly and without effort on your part. you should just be given a list of missions when you get into a system and be allowed to jump to them. Further more, no one should be allowed to jump closer than 100km from the gate or be allowed to instadock. The local window should be removed, so that you can sneak up on your victims more easily. and you should also be given a jump scrambling module that prevents people from using the stargates with in a 500km range so you can gank them with out fail from 200km in your sniper battleship of doom.

</sarcasm>
Please, at least try to look like you are willing to put forth some effort to find a victim take their loot and move on. Also, whining about not getting the easy ganks makes the rest of us look bad. It also makes you look like a paranoid doofus when you whine about CCP personally hosing you and your small minorty of oppressed pirates.

Have a lovely day,
_WB

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Originally by: Dane Hur

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Well I hope they revamp it again, I hate the chanced based system.

But the way it worked right after Revelations came out was a joke, it would pretty much have ended mission running in low sec, if you want it that easy, you should just leave for SWG or WoW. I remember dropping a 192 AU probe right after the server came up on day one, I found 3 missions and a ton of left behind drones. Bring back the system where you have to put in some ground work to be able to probe people out.

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Originally by: Dane Hur

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Well I hope they revamp it again, I hate the chanced based system.

But the way it worked right after Revelations came out was a joke, it would pretty much have ended mission running in low sec, if you want it that easy, you should just leave for SWG or WoW. I remember dropping a 192 AU probe right after the server came up on day one, I found 3 missions and a ton of left behind drones. Bring back the system where you have to put in some ground work to be able to probe people out.

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Wilhelm Beck

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Xendie,

Its completely obvious to all of us who play EVE that the pirates always get shafted. What i mean is that Killing another players pride, joy, and isk mobile should obviously be a thing to achieve lightly and without effort on your part. you should just be given a list of missions when you get into a system and be allowed to jump to them. Further more, no one should be allowed to jump closer than 100km from the gate or be allowed to instadock. The local window should be removed, so that you can sneak up on your victims more easily. and you should also be given a jump scrambling module that prevents people from using the stargates with in a 500km range so you can gank them with out fail from 200km in your sniper battleship of doom.

</sarcasm>
Please, at least try to look like you are willing to put forth some effort to find a victim take their loot and move on. Also, whining about not getting the easy ganks makes the rest of us look bad. It also makes you look like a paranoid doofus when you whine about CCP personally hosing you and your small minorty of oppressed pirates.

Have a lovely day,
_WB

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Why can't pirates whine?

I mean yes, I agree with you. Mission runners should be allowed to amass billions of isk by running level 4 missions, where even bad agents can give you 20 million isk for a half an hour of game play. What is more is that I totally agree that pirate who try to use scan probes to find the mission runners should be given next to no chance of actually finding them. For god's sake, mission running, which is the easiest way to make isk in the game as a combat pilot, should be less risky than killing the belt rats in the same systems as the mission.

It really isn't skewed at all that I could run level four missions all day, make a 100 million isk, while the poor shmuck ratting in those belts gets podded 3 times in the same period and makes 200k isk.

</sarcasm>

We aren't whining, just pointing out an obvious, to us anyway, problem with game mechanics.

-Karl

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Originally by: T'Renn

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Originally by: Karlemgne

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Originally by: Wilhelm Beck

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Xendie,

Its completely obvious to all of us who play EVE that the pirates always get shafted. What i mean is that Killing another players pride, joy, and isk mobile should obviously be a thing to achieve lightly and without effort on your part. you should just be given a list of missions when you get into a system and be allowed to jump to them. Further more, no one should be allowed to jump closer than 100km from the gate or be allowed to instadock. The local window should be removed, so that you can sneak up on your victims more easily. and you should also be given a jump scrambling module that prevents people from using the stargates with in a 500km range so you can gank them with out fail from 200km in your sniper battleship of doom.

</sarcasm>
Please, at least try to look like you are willing to put forth some effort to find a victim take their loot and move on. Also, whining about not getting the easy ganks makes the rest of us look bad. It also makes you look like a paranoid doofus when you whine about CCP personally hosing you and your small minorty of oppressed pirates.

Have a lovely day,
_WB

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Why can't pirates whine?

I mean yes, I agree with you. Mission runners should be allowed to amass billions of isk by running level 4 missions, where even bad agents can give you 20 million isk for a half an hour of game play. What is more is that I totally agree that pirate who try to use scan probes to find the mission runners should be given next to no chance of actually finding them. For god's sake, mission running, which is the easiest way to make isk in the game as a combat pilot, should be less risky than killing the belt rats in the same systems as the mission.

It really isn't skewed at all that I could run level four missions all day, make a 100 million isk, while the poor shmuck ratting in those belts gets podded 3 times in the same period and makes 200k isk.

</sarcasm>

We aren't whining, just pointing out an obvious, to us anyway, problem with game mechanics.

-Karl

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Owned.

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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Gasp im agreeing with him. *goes to his bomb shelter*

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Originally by: T'Renn

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It's easy to agree with me since I'm always right.

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Originally by: RavenofAzerath

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But I have to agree on this note, due to the fact that the probing system is horribly stacked towards people running missions. Why should they be offered anymore protection then ratting in a belt or not getting chased around the planets? there should be just the same risk of getting banged by pirates, or perhaps slightly less due to the probe requirement, but without a doubt this is completly unfair to the Pirating community.

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running level 4 missions, where even bad agents can give you 20 million isk for a half an hour of game play.

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Originally by: Soporo

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running level 4 missions, where even bad agents can give you 20 million isk for a half an hour of game play.

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You are either being wayyyyy over the top with this statement or you are just flat clueless about lvl 4 missions, or you have some UBER secret mission Agent knowone else knows about.

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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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can it still be done?

if so what do i need to do?

I have several isk farmers in low sec where I am aching to be probed

can someone tell me what skills i need? and what probes etc?

cheers

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Originally by: lord orei

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I am a mission runner and part-time pirate. I work with some experienced pirates that don't have much of a problem finding mission runners. There should be an element of risk for missions in low sec, but it shouldn't be certain death either. Making it too easy to probe out a mission runner will not help pirates get more kills, it will just stop mission runners from accepting the missions in low sec. I think a chance system is best because it gives mission runners enough confidence to accept the missions and it gives the pirates a chance to find them. Maybe someone who uses probes can tell if I am right or wrong. A mission runner will be doing a Lv 4 mission for 1-4 hours generally. Doesn't this give a dedicated pirate time to probe and find them? It isn't fair to put a mission runner and a ratter in the same category. A ratter moves from belt to belt every few min, where a somebody in a mission is going to be stuck there for hours. It sounds like shooting a fish in a barrel to me. Finding mission runners needs to be difficult, but possible.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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I've been running missions in low sec as an experiment. I've yet to be probed out, and even then, I doubt anyone, even with extremely optimised setups (dedicated tackling ships etc.) could catch me before I was able to dock.

Mission running is cake. Avoiding being ganked is cake. Carebear mission runners are just too stupid to figure out how to not be killed. Pirates who run missions don't get ganked. Why? Because they know what is required to catch someone, and can therefore take measures to defeat other would-be pirates. They know how it works so they can work around it.

Carebears just don't want to make the effort to figure out the same concepts.

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