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Cardcaptor Sakura
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.11.28 23:21:31 -
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So today was the 1st time I was able to successfully do a combat site that was harder then ones in high sec...the sansha rally point, which is in low sec.
I was using my Raven and was armor tanking because it seems that EM resist for armor is 50% while shield is 0% EM resist. I felt that instead of trying to buff shields that begin at 0%, why not just buff armor instead since it starts at 50%?
So I was using 6 rapid heavy launcher with majoliner along with 2 armor repairs and a armor EM hardener. The hardener gave a 50% buff so my armor resist went up by an additional 25 to become a total of 75% EM armor resist.
I went and found a rally point for the sansha faction and was able to beat it without dying and I was able to do it all by myself..it is definite harder then the combat sites I experience in high sec, because this one had a battleship as the "final boss".
I think my experience was very satisfying for me because I was able to observe the change in difficulty between the amount and type of ships being spawned as well as the noticeable increase in damage opposed to the combat sites in high sec.
Last note..slightly unrelated but super funny..
As I was traveling back to my home station.....a random Falcon tries to warp scramble my Raven BUT FAILED! :)
I think it was an attempt to gank me......if it had been a success, that player wouldn't have seen anything interesting to loot..
*cough* except meh 9 K majoliners *cough* |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
700
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Posted - 2015.11.29 00:16:53 -
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Cardcaptor Sakura wrote:majoliners
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Cardcaptor Sakura
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.11.29 16:21:12 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:Cardcaptor Sakura wrote:majoliners
Oh.
Did I spell it incorrectly? |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9424
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Posted - 2015.11.29 19:13:25 -
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I have a fit you should try
My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9428
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Posted - 2015.11.29 20:40:18 -
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But in all seriousness, I think the general consensus is that the Raven is inherently more suited to shield than armour tanking - hence the number of midslots :)
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
703
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Posted - 2015.11.29 20:42:22 -
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Bumblefck wrote:But in all seriousness, I think the general consensus is that the Raven is inherently more suited to shield than armour tanking - hence the number of midslots :)
There is no emoticon to adequately reply to "armor raven."
Now if there was a puke emoticon... |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9428
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Posted - 2015.11.29 20:47:13 -
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lol
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
428
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Posted - 2015.11.30 18:31:22 -
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Cardcaptor Sakura wrote:So today was the 1st time I was able to successfully do a combat site that was harder then ones in high sec...the sansha rally point, which is in low sec.
I was using my Raven and was armor tanking because it seems that EM resist for armor is 50% while shield is 0% EM resist. I felt that instead of trying to buff shields that begin at 0%, why not just buff armor instead since it starts at 50%?
So I was using 6 rapid heavy launcher with majoliner along with 2 armor repairs and a armor EM hardener. The hardener gave a 50% buff so my armor resist went up by an additional 25 to become a total of 75% EM armor resist.
I went and found a rally point for the sansha faction and was able to beat it without dying and I was able to do it all by myself..it is definite harder then the combat sites I experience in high sec, because this one had a battleship as the "final boss".
I think my experience was very satisfying for me because I was able to observe the change in difficulty between the amount and type of ships being spawned as well as the noticeable increase in damage opposed to the combat sites in high sec.
Last note..slightly unrelated but super funny..
As I was traveling back to my home station.....a random Falcon tries to warp scramble my Raven BUT FAILED! :)
I think it was an attempt to gank me......if it had been a success, that player wouldn't have seen anything interesting to loot..
*cough* except meh 9 K majoliners *cough*
Just in case this was serious, you know if you had gone with a shield tank and some ballistic controls in your lows instead, those Sansha-ships would have probably died fast enough to utterly negate the usefulness of the higher EM-resists in your "Armor Raven"?
Also Sansha inflict EM and Thermal damage, so 1-2 invuln + giving up one mod-slot for additional EM-resists work a lot better then just throwing armor tank on a ship deeply unsuited for it. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13062
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Posted - 2015.11.30 18:54:42 -
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+1 for the spirit of adventure from a newbro.
I've been playing for years and it took me a minute to digest the words "Armor Raven" and "difficult Sansha Ralley Point lol", but I guess to someone who is new, those things are more reasonable 
What you will learn is different ins and outs of tanking. For PVE, the Raven excells as a long range ship that relies on active tanked shields (and again, range) for defense. The reason Ravens tend to not be armor tanked is because it's low slots are better used for modules that increase it's firepower and damage application rather than tank. Shield tanking uses mid slots for the very most part and the Raven has more mid altos than low slots.
Below is a modification (for sansha rats and low sec) that I made for a newbro in my alliance.
[Raven, Raven: Sansha newbro lowsec]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Large Micro Jump Drive
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
X-Large Shield Booster II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Acolyte I x10
Hornet EC-300 x5
The target painter helps yo applie damage to smaller targets (cruise are great aginst BS/BC, not so much cruisers and below. The MJD is to let you jump 100 km and get range from npc, or in some cases jump away from pvp danger.
The MWD and cloak are so you can use the MWD/Cloak Trick to get trou8gh gates, very useful if you are going to fly in low sec where people can more easily kill your raven.
This ship has a extra large shield booster. You keep it off most of the time and when you shield gets low, turn it on till your shields are up again, then turn it off. Turning it off makes you regain cap so you can turn it on again as needed.
Give it a go and see how it works
Edit, also, train ecm drones. I redid the fit to include them The small Hornet EC-300 won't help you in pve, but in low sec you will encounter PVP and ECM drones can break a lock on a ship warp disrupting you long enough to get away. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
894
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:50:02 -
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You can armor tank a Raven, but you gimp the dps. |
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2015.12.05 02:43:36 -
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Um... if you feel like killing bs rats... try L4 missions?
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4804
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Posted - 2015.12.05 16:01:22 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:You can armor tank a Raven, but you gimp the dps.
Generally, yes. But depending on the application, a 2-slot armor tank (along with a rig or two) might be feasible. Especially since you can use missile guidance computers for damage application.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
686
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Posted - 2015.12.05 21:37:35 -
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That's a pretty big "might be", though. Either way, your volley and ROF will suffer by a mile and your tank doesn't get any better for it. Besides, the difference between 0% EM on the shields and 50% on the armor is more than made up for by simply adding an EM resist mod, considering the number of mids versus lows, HP differences, and what you would general find in the slots you don't use for tank. It's a nasty trade, almost as bad as faction module prices...almost.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2015.12.07 22:47:44 -
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+1 for having the guts to travel into Low Sec! I don't have the guts to travel in Low Sec! I'm scared. 
Also +1 for coming up with a creative way to take advantage of the natural EM resistance in armor. Not the standard use for the Raven, but, hey, you tried something new and it worked out...this time...
Everything regarding using a Raven to shield tank not armor tank has already been said.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
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